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Stevepol

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216. Science is one thing, reality is another.

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:28 PM

Nov 2012

Evolution is science. How many politicians support it?

Keynesian economics is science. How many politicians support it, and stand by it in times like these?

Global warming is science. How many politicians stand by it?

It would have been quite easy scientifically to verify that there were no WMDs in Iraq pre-2003. Who did it? Who believed the scientific estimates that were given.

To me it's elementary logic that when the vote is counted in total secrecy using electronic voting machines and no audits are done where the vote is counted by hand openly and transparently, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE A DEMOCRACY. The German court that handles constitutional questions outlawed voting machines for Germany (in 09) for that very reason. How many politicians would even hint that they agree with this logic?

I could go on indefinitely. For now I'm glad Anon is remaining anon. I wish them well if they indeed are able to do what they claim to be able to do.

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If Anonymous has definitive proof that Rove tried to hack the vote, present it. [View all] ProSense Nov 2012 OP

Show us the proof, Anony Berlum Nov 2012 #1

Yes, we do. n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #2

At least someone who thinks like Data Coyotl Nov 2012 #202

EXCELLENT!!!! Man, LOVED that show! calimary Nov 2012 #251

Love this, thanks for making my day. n/t AnnieK401 Nov 2012 #99

The proof is out there. reusrename Nov 2012 #136

+1 valerief Nov 2012 #184

Not this BS again. Coyotl Nov 2012 #203

Do you actually think you're going to stop people from posting their opinions on this board?.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #233

I'm going to give y'all one more chance to respond. reusrename Nov 2012 #250

Maybe you could choose not to read these threads, instead of being, you know, WinkyDink Nov 2012 #253

Welcome to DU, reusrename! calimary Nov 2012 #291

Always! reusrename Nov 2012 #322

Exactly. It's been proven every way ....statistically, technically, timing, cover-up.... loudsue Nov 2012 #327

+1. Phx_Dem Nov 2012 #357

where's the beef? heaven05 Nov 2012 #219

"He's Occupying the WH at the moment"? What does that mean? nm Cha Nov 2012 #264

small heaven05 Nov 2012 #284

Anonymous is a JOKE!! SkyDaddy7 Nov 2012 #332

A group like Anon coming forward with details? the group wouldnt survive that pasto76 Nov 2012 #3

Who said they have to come forward? ProSense Nov 2012 #8

Really? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #120

Send it to Mother Jones, Atlantic Monthly and about 1/2 a dozen other news outlets TalkingDog Nov 2012 #162

The foreign press has written about electronically flipping the primary for Romney. reusrename Nov 2012 #170

Do you have a link for that? Son of Gob Nov 2012 #213

Unfortunately, the links have been scrubbed the last time I looked. reusrename Nov 2012 #257

lol AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #315

I found a live link to the article at ukprogressive. reusrename Nov 2012 #336

Yes, and that entire line of logic fails for the following reasons. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #349

It's suddenly become obvious that you don't have a grasp of the question being raised here. reusrename Nov 2012 #361

That quoted bit is the claim being made by the fellow doing this statistical analysis. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #363

We are obviously not talking about the same thing. reusrename Nov 2012 #364

You are not clicking to the idea that the '10%' is an illusion. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #366

yes, peer review is necessary - can't image it taking more than another month or two reusrename Nov 2012 #368

Again, I will believe it when I see it verified. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #371

Obama was not a candidate in the Republican primaries. reusrename Nov 2012 #372

So let's see it independently verified. Peer reviewed. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #373

And published in a scientific journal. reusrename Nov 2012 #374

I found a live link. reusrename Nov 2012 #337

I've been subscribing to Mother Jones & The Atlantic for years... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #172

It's heaven05 Nov 2012 #223

See! heaven05 Nov 2012 #222

"I am completely ignorant when it comes to anything technical" AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #314

Can't answer my questions yourself Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #345

There is absolutely NOTHING more dangerous about sharing the code and logs AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #348

Thank you! Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #351

Could easily be some AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #352

I will definitely Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #355

I don't think so, not with so many people on both sides watching. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #360

Sincere thanks, once again. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #362

Agreed. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #171

You are so right. Maybe they rainy Nov 2012 #41

love them anyway. put fear into the one percent roguevalley Nov 2012 #141

They can dump whatever evidence they have on Wikileaks AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #148

All they'd have to do is anonymously send their proof to the FBI. n/t pnwmom Nov 2012 #241

But who is Anon referring to in this video to give info to? Wish they would turn proof over. glinda Nov 2012 #309

I think they would if they'd actually done this pnwmom Nov 2012 #330

I have not passed judgement on this at the moment. glinda Nov 2012 #359

Because Anonymous can rest assured that if such info were provided, MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #4

He's untouchable! n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #9

Like war criminals, no? MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #27

Sure, he's untouchable. n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #62

I agree Manny. There is no reason for Anon to expose themselves. I doubt that they have any rhett o rick Nov 2012 #131

'No reason', apart from basic honesty, that is, and a desire not to be complicit muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #353

His untouchability is determined by his masters.But they have a long history of protecting their own rhett o rick Nov 2012 #127

On what fucking planet is Rove going to be prosecuted? Fumesucker Nov 2012 #22

He may not be prosecuted but . . . brush Nov 2012 #143

Kinda like how Mike Connell got his comeuppance when he died in that plane crash... cascadiance Nov 2012 #240

Yeah brush Nov 2012 #256

"Rove would be prosecuted" marions ghost Nov 2012 #37

Indeed, I did. nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #39

Yep..Rove would be prosecuted just like INdemo Nov 2012 #88

THey could at least try treestar Nov 2012 #154

Or Oliy North. Given a fine of $100 and 2 hours community service. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #165

Yep, once the Repukes broke the seal Rex Nov 2012 #210

But they can be assured that they would be. I just love threads like this. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #186

You need to read and listen to Stephen Spoonamore to understand. They did not use the Dustlawyer Nov 2012 #5

That is also just a bunch of BS, just like the current deal, piled higher and deeper Coyotl Nov 2012 #72

certainly no facts this time around Celebration Nov 2012 #94

It is a n incontrovertable fact that the primary was electronically flipped. reusrename Nov 2012 #177

Because you believe it, right? Coyotl Nov 2012 #196

Of course not. reusrename Nov 2012 #246

Look, Karl, you lost this time. Call it "Kerry's Revenge." WinkyDink Nov 2012 #254

What part of Anonymous ... do you not understand? GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #6

What part of conspiracy theory don't you understand? ProSense Nov 2012 #10

I understand sulphurdunn Nov 2012 #29

Perhaps unprovable is the point. sofa king Nov 2012 #227

They can supply the proof to the FBI or any other government official pnwmom Nov 2012 #245

I'm sure Anonymous isn't out to impress you Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #7

"There is 'evidence' in the behavior of Rove on election night." ProSense Nov 2012 #12

Gawd . . . if only that were possible. eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #53

Evidence in this case is simple, and necessary: the code alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #15

I predict we will never see the code RomneyLies Nov 2012 #42

That's my suspicion, too alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #56

Precisely RomneyLies Nov 2012 #104

The "anonymous" claims were a joke in my opinion. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #121

Sorry to pop your bubble, but it is science. reusrename Nov 2012 #262

So evidence equals speculation? Riftaxe Nov 2012 #268

Well, I don't know what speculation you are referring to. reusrename Nov 2012 #323

Are you talking about the 2 -count 'em, 2- malfunctioning machines in PA? randome Nov 2012 #333

No. That's not the story. reusrename Nov 2012 #335

The gigantic hole in your evidence jeff47 Nov 2012 #369

That would be a clever response if you had a clue. reusrename Nov 2012 #370

Your first sentence states something that isn't known. jeff47 Nov 2012 #375

I do understand you much better now. You are definitely on the right track. reusrename Nov 2012 #377

The reason you "round up the others" is you have no other reliable measurement. jeff47 Nov 2012 #378

Some clarifications. reusrename Nov 2012 #379

Calculation requires actual data. jeff47 Nov 2012 #380

Yeah, he probably is a dumbshit. reusrename Nov 2012 #381

No, he may very well be right. But he needs to use data to show he is right. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #382

Fair enough. reusrename Nov 2012 #383

what heaven05 Nov 2012 #287

Two machines in PA. Out of thousands nationwide. randome Nov 2012 #288

okey dokey heaven05 Nov 2012 #294

That could be. reusrename Nov 2012 #326

I don't honestly know if that was a key element.. reusrename Nov 2012 #324

Statistical abnormalities are real, but they are indirect evidence D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #310

Well, I agree with your claim, but this isn't really a statistical abnormality, it's an algorithm. reusrename Nov 2012 #325

Wouldn't there be some evidence marions ghost Nov 2012 #64

It's remarkable that one of the most exacting scientific practices there is (programming) alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #70

Could you give me a binary answer please? marions ghost Nov 2012 #85

Exactly treestar Nov 2012 #158

Yes, it would all be right there on the log files, plain as day. Coyotl Nov 2012 #81

And Vanity Fair? marions ghost Nov 2012 #87

You're closer to getting this than most. Computer science forensics could find the AikidoSoul Nov 2012 #150

"There is evidence" -- Where is this "evidence"? NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #65

And then Anonymous gets no credit treestar Nov 2012 #155

Of course they are. pnwmom Nov 2012 #242

Where's the code? Where's the code? Where's the code? Where's the code? alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #11

Shouldn't be up to Anonymous to prove it marions ghost Nov 2012 #75

Nor is it up to zealots to prove their god exists because they already know he does Coyotl Nov 2012 #86

God? marions ghost Nov 2012 #92

Your little laughing guy doesn't mask your disturbed anger. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #255

Of course it should -- if they're not just making up a good story pnwmom Nov 2012 #243

"Credit for Romney's loss" marions ghost Nov 2012 #267

Precisely. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #317

I'm fairly certain... 99Forever Nov 2012 #13

Strange ProSense Nov 2012 #14

Really? 99Forever Nov 2012 #21

"Then why do you feel compelled to respond?" ProSense Nov 2012 #24

It's not ProSense who "demands" it. It's basic modern scientific claim-making alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #19

Anonymous doesn't... 99Forever Nov 2012 #26

"Get over it. Neither of you are that important." ProSense Nov 2012 #36

I'm not the one making demands of someone I don't even know. 99Forever Nov 2012 #48

"Get over it" ProSense Nov 2012 #55

Have fun tilting at windmills. 99Forever Nov 2012 #66

Demand: "Get over it" ProSense Nov 2012 #69

When you are leaning over to believe something, it looks like others are tilting Coyotl Nov 2012 #91

Whatever you say, buddy. 99Forever Nov 2012 #96

But you are willing to trust these people you don't know to have done something AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #319

Is that what I said? 99Forever Nov 2012 #342

Has nothing to do with me alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #44

Release the Code... Hell yeah! RobertEarl Nov 2012 #214

All the more reason for Anonymous to release it if they know it alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #220

Why don't your officials release it? RobertEarl Nov 2012 #225

Why are they suddenly "my" officials alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #226

Obviously you do not RobertEarl Nov 2012 #229

Wait, are you Anonymous? alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #230

So, you agree the code is not transparent RobertEarl Nov 2012 #234

Of course the code is secret alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #236

"Without code as evidence, of course not." RobertEarl Nov 2012 #239

Sorry Robert, the fact that elections in our country have problems D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #312

It would not be easy for anon to prove thesquanderer Nov 2012 #247

Release the code and describe its function alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #260

Do you have any idea what it takes to develop software for embedded systems? AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #320

They're super-heroes. They can do anything. randome Nov 2012 #334

I took no position on that thesquanderer Nov 2012 #339

If they released code that can be proven to still be ON the machines AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #346

Exactly. Trying to rudely "kill" the messenger. didn't work. nm Cha Nov 2012 #271

well heaven05 Nov 2012 #292

Shame on you!! pocoloco Nov 2012 #146

Are you more important than we are? treestar Nov 2012 #160

That's because Anonymous is mostly just a PR campaign. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #318

Sorry dood. 99Forever Nov 2012 #343

Uh huh. That's why when I patch code, I can show the before/after edits and explain why. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #347

Wow dooooood... 99Forever Nov 2012 #350

And you have a list of "disinterested third parties" Stevepol Nov 2012 #32

Any good programmer could replicate and verify alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #35

Science is one thing, reality is another. Stevepol Nov 2012 #216

does anonymous make you upset? argiel1234 Nov 2012 #278

No, Anonymous does not upset me at all alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #279

anon does not answer to you...that is the beauty argiel1234 Nov 2012 #280

Whether Anonymous answers to me is beside the point alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #281

anon scares your worldview argiel1234 Nov 2012 #283

Sure. Every time a CT gains traction on DU, the people asking questions are said to be 'scared'. randome Nov 2012 #290

anon will come at it again.. argiel1234 Nov 2012 #293

That's the proof? That we won an election? randome Nov 2012 #295

We won because anonymous didnt allow electronic voting fraud argiel1234 Nov 2012 #296

You have no evidence of that. Neither does Anonymous. randome Nov 2012 #297

exactly heaven05 Nov 2012 #34

I'm 100% certain RomneyLies Nov 2012 #45

Worst than a fairy tale, it is disinformation supporting disinformation, intended to deceive voters Coyotl Nov 2012 #95

It reminds me of faith in the supernatural. Proof is irrelevant, the Savior is coming. freshwest Nov 2012 #139

I've been putting the cultists on ignore RomneyLies Nov 2012 #142

Might as well. Going in circles, like arguing with repukes. Just believe, it'll all gonna happen! freshwest Nov 2012 #192

Precisely. Parsimony and skepticism are practically a lost art. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #321

And most people don't give a flying fuck about Anonymous' claims treestar Nov 2012 #159

any evidence Anonymous may have was illegally acquired Evasporque Nov 2012 #16

Great, one conspiracy theory and two crooks? ProSense Nov 2012 #20

You're thinking of law enforcement agencies. JimDandy Nov 2012 #169

How the information is obtained doesn't matter to the media, HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #180

Anonymous is not a part of the government, so the evidence would be admissible. The problem Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #187

ORCA is a smokescreen; wrong place to look. Atman Nov 2012 #17

Then the evidence ProSense Nov 2012 #28

Why would it be "easy" to find? Atman Nov 2012 #61

"why would they be looking at Husted software patches?" ProSense Nov 2012 #74

yes or no? heaven05 Nov 2012 #18

I love the idea of a deterrent ProSense Nov 2012 #31

Ya...that's sure to happen. CanSocDem Nov 2012 #189

Yeah! Who needs pesky facts or evidence? NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #58

Ego heaven05 Nov 2012 #103

Apparently facts are a terrible thing to waste on you as well NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #113

your heaven05 Nov 2012 #117

Any thinking person would want facts. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #151

and heaven05 Nov 2012 #191

Well, keep spreading the meme that Democrats can't win NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #212

Oh please. heaven05 Nov 2012 #218

If Rove created this whole false flag, how is Rove deterred by it? Coyotl Nov 2012 #97

Anonymous will provide proof in 24 business hours. msanthrope Nov 2012 #23

NO HE'S NOT!!!! heaven05 Nov 2012 #38

She. And my ego has nothing to do with this--either Anonymous msanthrope Nov 2012 #52

Hey, Orly Taitz is much more believeable than this cup of tea Coyotl Nov 2012 #102

I heaven05 Nov 2012 #107

ROFL alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #46

Can the hymns be far behind? A favorite: msanthrope Nov 2012 #57

There was no vote hacking in 2004 RomneyLies Nov 2012 #25

There was a commission that found several irregularies, including ProSense Nov 2012 #47

Now that is funny marions ghost Nov 2012 #101

Funny how easy it was to hack punch cards in 2004 Coyotl Nov 2012 #105

I agree they should release all proof of vote hacking. boston bean Nov 2012 #30

This just in: ProSense stands up for poor put upon Karl Rove who has been accused of evildoing Fumesucker Nov 2012 #33

This just in: Prove Rove is a criminal not a myth or a legend ProSense Nov 2012 #40

Bravo RomneyLies Nov 2012 #49

Rove has far too much dirt on our political system to ever go to court Fumesucker Nov 2012 #63

He's an evil genius, untouchable ProSense Nov 2012 #71

Rove is the Devil; Anonymous is God...It's time to leave the faith-reasoning to the theologians alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #73

You think TPTB are going to let Rove sing in the courtroom? Fumesucker Nov 2012 #84

+1000 heaven05 Nov 2012 #43

Rove is laughing too. ProSense Nov 2012 #50

So is Bush and co. aandegoons Nov 2012 #108

Rove just lost $300 million dollars, and his funders are not happy ProSense Nov 2012 #111

Oh I would love to see it. aandegoons Nov 2012 #119

Right On bahrbearian Nov 2012 #78

Too many fumes maybe? Coyotl Nov 2012 #109

I'm not falling for anything Fumesucker Nov 2012 #115

You Madam seem to be defending Rove bahrbearian Nov 2012 #147

I am defending Rove. I think he failed all by himself w/o any help from a bullshit story! Coyotl Nov 2012 #188

Even Rove cannot be convicted without evidence treestar Nov 2012 #164

no shit. blind and unquestioning partisonship no matter which party makes for strange bedfellows!" boilerbabe Nov 2012 #178

as their slogan says - "we are anonymous, we are legion" quinnox Nov 2012 #51

I helped investigate 2004. IdaBriggs Nov 2012 #54

Exactly bahrbearian Nov 2012 #76

Yes, exactly: ProSense Nov 2012 #89

Just like the banks were held accountable for this depression? MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #125

"Just like the banks were held accountable for this depression?" ProSense Nov 2012 #129

Sounds like your defending Rove from slander , thats Too funny. bahrbearian Nov 2012 #145

Not to me, it doesn't.. It sounds like she's asking for accountability and for that Cha Nov 2012 #275

I helped investigate 2004. Coyotl Nov 2012 #116

So "the people in charge" were interested. Then what? rhett o rick Nov 2012 #238

Blah Blah Blah Fence rider Nov 2012 #59

You are correct. They need to put up or shut up. If they cannot or will not provide proof, patricia92243 Nov 2012 #60

If Velvet Revolution didn't have a DONATE button, would this "Election Fraud" even exist? Coyotl Nov 2012 #67

If... KharmaTrain Nov 2012 #68

+1, I agree 100%. tammywammy Nov 2012 #83

I'm inclined to see this as a horse's head in the bed starroute Nov 2012 #77

Wouldn't this be better peddled on Free Republic? nt NorthCarolina Nov 2012 #79

Yeah, they're all into evidence. n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #82

How to Rig An American Election - A 10 Page Historical Analysis, Harpers Melinda Nov 2012 #80

How would you explain the massive push ongoing by some here NorthCarolina Nov 2012 #100

Easy to explain Coyotl Nov 2012 #122

Whenever there's a massive push marions ghost Nov 2012 #273

There has been a massive push to discredit creationism, D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #316

A "lack of interest" in a topic NorthCarolina Nov 2012 #340

Two points. D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #384

Not really marions ghost Nov 2012 #341

I suppose it depends on where you are looking. D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #385

Because the truth is important to some people. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #367

PLEASE PEOPLE read this article!!! marions ghost Nov 2012 #106

I still think they stole Ohio in 2004 edhopper Nov 2012 #90

Me too, and I know exactly how they did it and who did. That's why I know this is BS thru and thru Coyotl Nov 2012 #124

Are you saying that edhopper Nov 2012 #128

The President's narrow victories in numerous states laid to rest the issue grantcart Nov 2012 #93

anonymous heaven05 Nov 2012 #98

Blind faith without evidence is no protection. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #193

I heaven05 Nov 2012 #198

Voter supression makes a fix possible. JimDandy Nov 2012 #197

If Rove is EVER prosecuted, Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 #110

+1000 heaven05 Nov 2012 #112

"If you think the Dems are lily white in the area of voter fraud, I have a bridge to sell you." ProSense Nov 2012 #123

My bad. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 #126

exactly heaven05 Nov 2012 #344

The anonymous claim that it hacked into Rove's vote-tampering JDPriestly Nov 2012 #114

K&R arely staircase Nov 2012 #118

If you want "evidence" vote for someone who will give you "investigations" Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #130

Just maybe this anonymous stuff is all made up. longship Nov 2012 #132

Snicker nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #133

No, Anonymous is not going to take the risk.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #134

"Where's your evidence Anonymous was not able to do what they claimed to have done?" ProSense Nov 2012 #137

LOL. You're normally a smart poster, but you just don't get Anonymous, do you? nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #231

Right. There is no way for them... Wait Wut Nov 2012 #149

There is plent of evidence from 2000 on why does the Obama administration need aandegoons Nov 2012 #135

And if the Republicans win in 2016 RomneyLies Nov 2012 #138

The real problem with the bogus Anon Rove Idiocy is Coyotl Nov 2012 #140

Where is the evidence that Anonymous claims they hacked the election toddaa Nov 2012 #144

This is the most sensible "no they didn't" post in this thread. I suspect you are 100% correct, Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #331

They have said enough that any competent ivestigative/intelligence organization should be able geckosfeet Nov 2012 #152

Totally agreed treestar Nov 2012 #153

Karl we are watching pipewrench Nov 2012 #156

"We watched as Karl’s speared ORCA" ProSense Nov 2012 #161

It started... DirtyDawg Nov 2012 #157

I prefer that Anonymous keep their info to themselves Cirque du So-What Nov 2012 #163

Yup, better to protect the crooks from being investigated. n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #168

Exactly meanit Nov 2012 #221

We the people have the right to bring to light from the shadows. Hutzpa Nov 2012 #166

Rove's behavior to me proves he lalalu Nov 2012 #167

Does anyone seriously think Rove did NOT try to tamper with the results? HopeHoops Nov 2012 #173

I thought the statement explained that. sofa king Nov 2012 #174

Great post. go west young man Nov 2012 #313

Responses indicate that we're pretty scattered on this election fraud issue. Gregorian Nov 2012 #175

Anonymous and tactics The Traveler Nov 2012 #176

What Sort of Evidence? Skraxx Nov 2012 #179

That's why she's asking for it Fumesucker Nov 2012 #183

"Seriously, there's really nothing they could present to prove their claims." ProSense Nov 2012 #185

Yes, What Do You Think Would Suffice to "Prove" Their Claims? Skraxx Nov 2012 #201

There's always a counterclaim to any evidence alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #228

Just Because People Believe It's PLAUSIBLE Doesn't Mean People Believe It Definitely Happened Skraxx Nov 2012 #298

There isn't even circumstantial evidence. randome Nov 2012 #299

Where Do I Make That Assumption? Skraxx Nov 2012 #300

Then I apologize. randome Nov 2012 #301

Of Course We Won It For Who We Are, No Doubt Skraxx Nov 2012 #302

Sorry but that's not their job. They have brought forth suspicions that this happened. Cleita Nov 2012 #181

You don't start investigations based on anonymous suspicions. ProSense Nov 2012 #182

I think there is more than a loony suspicion here. I believe a warrant to investigate the Cleita Nov 2012 #190

exactly heaven05 Nov 2012 #195

That has nothing ProSense Nov 2012 #199

Got it. Cleita Nov 2012 #200

Here's what I know having watched this closely at the time re: Ohio + Anonymous flamingdem Nov 2012 #194

Oh, THIS is an interesting post Flamingdem Matariki Nov 2012 #217

There has been proof since 2000, and during every election since. there are books and movies on the s robinlynne Nov 2012 #204

DU rec...nt SidDithers Nov 2012 #205

Rove is dogshit, he is out of the loop Rex Nov 2012 #206

That would be suicide. CBS news: Republican IT Guru Dies In Plane Crash Zorra Nov 2012 #207

Who would get killed? n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #209

That's what nobody wants to find out. nt Zorra Nov 2012 #308

BIG Money plays for keeps. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #259

If it would have been me who did it InsultComicDog Nov 2012 #208

Here's my two cents. The people who would know for sure have enough info, rzemanfl Nov 2012 #211

Rec. allrevvedup Nov 2012 #215

Interesting thought experiments: what evidence would satisfy vote fraud coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #224

I will go much more modest: what evidence would convince me of this particular claim alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #232

I really think anonymous/wikileaks/Fitrakis jumped the gun, understandably they believed flamingdem Nov 2012 #235

Fair enough. I'm a big believer in Occam's Razor and, barring presentation coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #237

What if the point is that the evidence can't be produced? sofa king Nov 2012 #258

That's fine...I've said throughout this thread that there's nothing wrong with alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #261

I'll bet we can agree on this, too: sofa king Nov 2012 #358

You need to look at the stuff Mike Collins has published on algorithmic vote flipping. reusrename Nov 2012 #269

I'm sure Anon will give us the whole story when, where and how they want to. They keep their id's judesedit Nov 2012 #244

I am perfectly happy James48 Nov 2012 #248

Congressman John Conyers had plenty of evidence eyewall Nov 2012 #249

What if it can no longer BE proven, being a transitory and random hacking program? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #252

that is what is great about anonymous argiel1234 Nov 2012 #263

one part of me thinks maindawg Nov 2012 #265

Give me a break! RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #266

No, ProSense Nov 2012 #270

So you do not believe that reveling the code RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #338

Agree with you marions ghost Nov 2012 #272

Wow. I'm surprised so many people are falling for this. aletier_v Nov 2012 #274

Well, why don't you elucidate just HOW it "was a joke," m-kay? Rove wasn't & isn't laughing. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #276

That technical description? It's Wizard of Oz mumbo jumbo. aletier_v Nov 2012 #277

So...you're Anonymous? OMG! All this time and we didn't know! randome Nov 2012 #285

Your concern about Rove is touching argiel1234 Nov 2012 #289

Anonymous won't be Anonymous bucolic_frolic Nov 2012 #282

*Ahem* CLINT CURTIS, anybody? TrollBuster9090 Nov 2012 #286

And? ProSense Nov 2012 #303

Agreed! TrollBuster9090 Nov 2012 #307

Recommended. William769 Nov 2012 #304

It's the left-wing version of Bengazhi NightOwwl Nov 2012 #305

In olden days code was released PATRICK Nov 2012 #306

On the other hand... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #311

I haven't found really anything on Rove on AnonNews which is interesting. rightsideout Nov 2012 #328

"This isn't a movie.....This is real life, and Rove needs to be investigated if merrily Nov 2012 #329

Because we all accept Romney lied to American voters muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #354

Accepting that Romney was lying does not mean he was not also a felon. merrily Nov 2012 #356

The OP isn't about an investigation of Anonymous, though muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #365

Thank you for that SENSible post, ProSense. closeupready Nov 2012 #376