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101. It's like a broken record, international orgs always call it ethnic cleansing, yet...

Wed Nov 15, 2023, 07:25 AM

Nov 2023

In the 75 yrs since Israel became a state, the population of Arabs in Israel and in Gaza has increased tremendously. If Israel wanted to engage in ethnic cleansing, Gaza would have been wiped out decades ago, kind of like what saudis are doing to Yemen or Syrians are doing to Palestinian refugees (which I do not see that you have commented on).

Hamas will not magically disappear by the wave of an international organization wand. Israel is acting, I think, as humanely as could be expected by trying to separate Gazans from Hamas and asking them repeatedly to go South. Hamas proves its evil nature over and over by blocking this process so they can use their own people as human shields.

You should understand that Hamas is no different than al-quaeda or Isis. Radical Islamic jihad has no place in a civilized world. But if you want to get sucked into their PR game, be my guest.

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Israeli Minister Admits Military Is Carrying Out 'Nakba' Against Gaza's Palestinians [View all] LiberalArkie Nov 2023 OP

What's wrong with what he said ? He wants people to leave so they want go after Hamas JI7 Nov 2023 #1

. David__77 Nov 2023 #2

So this has nothing to do with Oct 7 ? JI7 Nov 2023 #4

. David__77 Nov 2023 #5

Ethnic cleansing of israelis that were forced off years ago ? JI7 Nov 2023 #6

I think the Israel minister was referring no to Gaza people. David__77 Nov 2023 #8

Here. Eko Nov 2023 #55

Tell me what the definition of ethnic cleansing is, and I will tell you what Nakba is not. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #12

Do not take the bait GuppyGal Nov 2023 #36

And Israel says the hostages are in the tunnels and the IDF is bombing the shit out of said tunnels LiberalArkie Nov 2023 #3

The Term Nakba Has A Very Specific Meaning VernaF Nov 2023 #7

So things that happen after they declared war on Israel and now after Oct 7 attacks JI7 Nov 2023 #9

That's right and it is consistent with the conduct of this war of annihilation. David__77 Nov 2023 #10

If he used the word Nakba... AdamGG Nov 2023 #84

This Nakba and over retaliation is staining Israel's international image. brush Nov 2023 #11

Why is it that you hold Israel responsible for the 10,000 killed? Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #13

Ok, the bombings killed no one? Please. brush Nov 2023 #14

What a ridiculous response. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #15

You should be ashamed. International organizations and critics.... brush Nov 2023 #17

The feeling is mutual. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #19

Ashamed. brush Nov 2023 #20

By all means. However, your shaming does not create in me a sense of obligation. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #23

It's like a broken record, international orgs always call it ethnic cleansing, yet... elias7 Nov 2023 #101

You should understand that I have consistently called for.. brush Nov 2023 #102

Nope. Eko Nov 2023 #56

I strongly suggest that you read the Geneva Conventions and the Rome Conventions Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #61

I just read the Geneva Conventions on human shields. Eko Nov 2023 #64

Hate to disappoint you, but you didn't read the Geneva Conventions Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #67

Wow!!!! Eko Nov 2023 #74

There is a prohibition written into law: Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #80

Bud, this is easy. Eko Nov 2023 #82

It is easy when you start making stuff up. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #86

I mean, here you are making stuff up. Eko Nov 2023 #90

I showed you what the pertinent parts of the Fourth Geneva Convention say. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #95

Yeah, cmon man, show your work. Eko Nov 2023 #96

See, you added something here. Eko Nov 2023 #103

That's a pretty contrived argument. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #104

Are you saying Israel is a train that cant stop in time? Eko Nov 2023 #105

The "blame" the quote is talking about is the potential perception of the blame by uninformed public. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #106

You might want to ask yourself why the only time the author talks about who is to blame Eko Nov 2023 #107

I read what the author had to say about it. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #108

Yes it is unambiguous. Eko Nov 2023 #109

You are nor replying to my post. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #112

You are the one who keeps saying it says that when it doesnt. Eko Nov 2023 #113

How? Chuuku Davis Nov 2023 #51

It has to be the long, hard slog of urban warfare... brush Nov 2023 #53

Following your logic, if (hopefully not when) Israel really ramps it up and the slaughter of civilians Celerity Nov 2023 #18

When my line is hewed, then and only then would the guilty be held accountable. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #21

If the civilians deaths become too high and reach a point where a paradigm shift takes place, very few Celerity Nov 2023 #24

I am paying attention: Israel turned on Netanyahu a long time ago. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #25

International law also has disportionate response elements, as does real life global (including the US) public Celerity Nov 2023 #26

I am not aware of the disproportiomal response elements in international law. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #27

IF things go truly pear shaped & the counts of civilians slaughtered go into the tens upon tens of thousands, especially Celerity Nov 2023 #28

So the only answer to my questions you have is to deflect back to Israel and speculate on the casualties, Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #34

I'll anwser your questions. Eko Nov 2023 #57

And I will answer right back Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #63

I didnt ask a question. Eko Nov 2023 #65

This is weird. You did ask a question. Two of them, to be precise. They are in your post, for all to read. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #73

You are saying that me copying and posting your questions Eko Nov 2023 #75

Here's a question. Eko Nov 2023 #66

The minute Hamas implemented the practice. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #68

Say what? Eko Nov 2023 #71

Are you assuming that Hamas implemented the human shield policy just recently? Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #77

Dont believe anything I have said points to me thinking they just started this. Eko Nov 2023 #79

Well, my argiment is along the same line, with one critical difference. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #83

No law says this man, Eko Nov 2023 #85

You read the law. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #88

Why don't you defend your position with evidence? Eko Nov 2023 #92

You already did my work for me. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #99

So show me the law. Eko Nov 2023 #94

I did. You want to see it again? Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #98

Is your back hurting? Eko Nov 2023 #87

Who caused the bombs to be dropped? Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #91

I dont know. Do you? Eko Nov 2023 #93

Yes, I know. And so do you. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #97

OOOH! OOOH! OOOH! I KNOW!!! yagotme Nov 2023 #69

Is that when it really happened? Eko Nov 2023 #70

I figured this part would have been self explanatory: yagotme Nov 2023 #72

Nope, you are right on the money. Eko Nov 2023 #81

Wasn't a hard question. yagotme Nov 2023 #116

Kind if like why do people hold white Americans at fault for the thousands of native Americans that died LiberalArkie Nov 2023 #29

Exactly Right Thinker Cats Nov 2023 #30

I know, some things can not be undone. It was not the right thing to do, but it is done. LiberalArkie Nov 2023 #32

Yeah, I vividly recall the native Amerivan warriors using their kin as humn shields. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #38

There's inthewind21 Nov 2023 #110

Great post malaise Nov 2023 #45

Because Israel is dropping the bombs. Who should have the blame? Palestinians? They are not Hamas. Autumn Nov 2023 #31

Just a modest suggestion: how about blaming Hamas? Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #37

I do blame Hamas. And in my opinion Israel shares the blame for the needless death of some Autumn Nov 2023 #40

That's refreshing. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #41

You can't have a conversation about Hamas without saying "but...Israel" Autumn Nov 2023 #42

Apparently, many people don't know what Hamas has done to gaza civilians Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #44

Because it sounds just like Eko Nov 2023 #58

So really 100% of the killed have all been civilians? EX500rider Nov 2023 #22

So why inthewind21 Nov 2023 #59

Huh inthewind21 Nov 2023 #111

Most modern militaries don't give kill tallies EX500rider Nov 2023 #115

Former advisor to Shimon Peres moondust Nov 2023 #16

Of course he isn't edisdead Nov 2023 #33

The one bad thing about reading threads when you are logged out is that the people you have BLOCKED GuppyGal Nov 2023 #35

I don't block people Mossfern Nov 2023 #43

Well, if the Agriculture Minister says it... maxsolomon Nov 2023 #39

Starvation, thirst, disease, bombs and bullets Model35mech Nov 2023 #46

I can't really say what the Agriculture Minister means by "Nakba". maxsolomon Nov 2023 #47

I was commenting on how Gaza could be depopulated Model35mech Nov 2023 #48

A slippery slope prediction, then. maxsolomon Nov 2023 #49

No. I mean 70% of Palestinians pre-Israeli nationhood couldn't be accounted for after Model35mech Nov 2023 #50

I guess I just don't understand what "accounted for" means. maxsolomon Nov 2023 #52

Well I'll try this, it means: NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM Model35mech Nov 2023 #54

It's pretty inthewind21 Nov 2023 #60

OK, thanks for the condescension. maxsolomon Nov 2023 #62

The department heads of Netanyahu's far right government... AdamGG Nov 2023 #89

As I said, it's worth comment. Model35mech Nov 2023 #100

Is it possible that the Agricultural Minister isn't the best source of information on military policy? brooklynite Nov 2023 #76

OR the Agriculture minister is testing a LEAD BALLOON Model35mech Nov 2023 #114

Admits, brags, po-tay-to, po-tah-to RockRaven Nov 2023 #78