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Sal_NV

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17. Can we at least agree that if Hamas hadn't attacked Israel

Sat Nov 18, 2023, 01:29 AM

Nov 2023

on Oct. 7th, murdering over 1000 Israeli citizens and taking over 200 hostages, those innocent Palestinians would still be alive and the devastation of Gaza wouldn't be happening as we speak?

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Gaza's journey to refuge marred by pervasive hunger, streets littered with corpses [View all] David__77 Nov 2023 OP

And, to reiterate, Hamas is solely responsible for the pain and suffering of Sal_NV Nov 2023 #1

Will they be responsible for Israel expelling Gazans from their homeland or using an atom bomb, should they do that? David__77 Nov 2023 #2

Bottom line is that none of this would be happening if the terrorist org., Hamas, Sal_NV Nov 2023 #3

Respectfully, this isn't about taking hostages...it's about keeping hostages CincyDem Nov 2023 #27

I see your point here, Sal_NV Nov 2023 #31

Israel is not going to drop a nuke on Gaza. Israel is not going to exterminate 2.3 million people. maxsolomon Nov 2023 #71

overly simplistic, lacking nuance. WarGamer Nov 2023 #4

No, it isn't, Sal_NV Nov 2023 #6

Yes, it is obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #24

No, it isn't. Sal_NV Nov 2023 #32

No, no matter how many times you Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #7

No matter how many times you deny it, Sal_NV Nov 2023 #9

Arrogance, antagonism and belligerence are not a very wise way to introduce yourself to DU. Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #19

Being condescending is also not a wise thing Just_Vote_Dem Nov 2023 #61

Thanks for reading my comment. Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #62

Welcome to DU! As you'll find, calling out pro-Hamas propaganda makes some folks a bit testy! tritsofme Nov 2023 #39

As I am finding out. Sal_NV Nov 2023 #40

You are correct. Eko Nov 2023 #11

Do you even listen to yourself? Sal_NV Nov 2023 #12

So what that attack gives them carte blanche over what happens later? Eko Nov 2023 #13

Hamas intentionally murdered over 1000 innocent Israeli civilians, Sal_NV Nov 2023 #14

Huh, well for a fact they have killed over 10,000 people. Eko Nov 2023 #15

Here's a parallel ... Straw Man Nov 2023 #18

Yes it was worth doing. Eko Nov 2023 #20

Fair enough, up to a point. Straw Man Nov 2023 #45

Hitler did not force us to do anything. Eko Nov 2023 #46

Well ... Straw Man Nov 2023 #47

Yeah, metaphorically speaking. Eko Nov 2023 #51

"Metaphorically" doesn't mean "untrue." Straw Man Nov 2023 #53

I did not say it means untrue. Eko Nov 2023 #59

Actually, you did. Straw Man Nov 2023 #66

This is what you said. Eko Nov 2023 #67

And on we go ... Straw Man Nov 2023 #68

a simile is actually a subcategory of metaphor Eko Nov 2023 #69

Fair enough, but there's a key distinction. Straw Man Nov 2023 #70

So give me a metaphor that is literally true. Eko Nov 2023 #72

Metaphors are NOT literally true. Straw Man Nov 2023 #73

What does figuratively true mean? Eko Nov 2023 #74

Figurative vs. Literal Straw Man Nov 2023 #75

If it is not literally true. Eko Nov 2023 #76

Congratulations. Straw Man Nov 2023 #80

Wow. Eko Nov 2023 #82

Yeah, wow. Straw Man Nov 2023 #83

Whats the underlying truth of that song? Eko Nov 2023 #84

The bitterness yet relief of surrender ... Straw Man Nov 2023 #85

Nope. Eko Nov 2023 #86

So what is yours? Straw Man Nov 2023 #87

I'll rephrase Eko Nov 2023 #88

Didn't help. Straw Man Nov 2023 #89

Certainly not arguing with you Eko Nov 2023 #16

Can we at least agree that if Hamas hadn't attacked Israel Sal_NV Nov 2023 #17

Absolutely. Eko Nov 2023 #21

Can we also agree that bombing Gaza and bombing military targets in Gaza are not one and the same? Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #22

My anwsers. Eko Nov 2023 #23

Its not polite to ask a question, Eko Nov 2023 #38

It was impottant to get your answers to my questions first. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #48

I shall reply to your question when you do to mine. Eko Nov 2023 #50

I did answer your question, perhaps not in the way you expected. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #54

Its not? Eko Nov 2023 #60

Yes, we can agree on that. Sal_NV Nov 2023 #30

Thanks. Eko Nov 2023 #34

So Israel is innocent of the 12,000 dead in Gaza? patphil Nov 2023 #28

Israel is doing what they perceive they must do to protect their citizens, Sal_NV Nov 2023 #33

I reiteriate, Israel's response was their choice. patphil Nov 2023 #35

And this is exactly what the Allies did to Germany, Italy, and the Japanese, Sal_NV Nov 2023 #36

What we did back then was horrible, brutal beyond belief. We topped it off with 2 nukes for Japan; a needless slaughter patphil Nov 2023 #37

What better way? Sal_NV Nov 2023 #41

Israel needs to win the people of Gaza and the West Bank over by treating them with respect. patphil Nov 2023 #42

I can respect your take on this all the while disagreeing with it. Sal_NV Nov 2023 #43

How will Hamas be removed when Netanyahu is the one who has kept Hamas in power to make Autumn Nov 2023 #57

I honestly don't know, Sal_NV Nov 2023 #58

The thing is ... Straw Man Nov 2023 #49

After the carnage of WW1 we left out the "treat with respect" part and had to go through it all again. patphil Nov 2023 #55

I'm not arguing for the total destruction of Gaza. Straw Man Nov 2023 #56

I understand what you're sayiing, but this is a 75+ year old blood feud we're trying to overcome. patphil Nov 2023 #63

That feud RubyRose Nov 2023 #65

These folks JustAnotherGen Nov 2023 #44

Protection is one thing Butterflylady Nov 2023 #64

DURec leftstreet Nov 2023 #5

so *this* is Mossfern Nov 2023 #8

I guess it is judging by some of the comments here. Sal_NV Nov 2023 #10

There is not one reply to imply that obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #26

How about we don't automatically buy into the propaganda promulgated JCMach1 Nov 2023 #25

Nothing justifies this response malaise Nov 2023 #29

The death toll will moniss Nov 2023 #52

They teach their children to hate us. These over simplified responses are exhausting. They LITERALLY GuppyGal Nov 2023 #77

Who is "they"? Does "they" include the children? If so, is there an age cut-off? David__77 Nov 2023 #78

Do your own 'research' ....even though if you've been alive for more than a minute you'd GuppyGal Nov 2023 #79

When you allow your area to become a giant terrorist camp Mysterian Nov 2023 #81