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In reply to the discussion: If Anonymous has definitive proof that Rove tried to hack the vote, present it. [View all]PATRICK
(12,409 posts)from the first questionable machines. Some Georgia machines mothballed I think. In looking for a smoking gun what was mostly revealed is the overall surmised strategy of how the whole industry was built in the first place. ES&S using embezzlers and optical scanners to first render the votes invisible then 'glitched" in every way virtual and mechanical and even procedural. The overall inefficient cover mess complete with internal reviews and other sorry flimflams on top of actually unverifiable accounting and proprietary software. The only actual involvement of the FBI I think was to go after the violation of proprietary rights.
You can only guess in this shell game of convenient secrecy, open "glitches", porous security and non transparent code where the theft MIGHT come from- and then the exit poll gaming dispute comes well after.
My guess is that ALL methods were used to lesser extents but that the thumb on the final scales is in the final tabulation. The two pronged fraud of the GOP(aside from the general abuse of money and media) is first vote suppression and then every trick in the book with important upgrades each cycle(as if the Dems ever wise up sufficiently to any possibility- there's a real disputable secret!). 2000 was instructive. Every trick in the traditional book was used. While doubling down on fake success they delivered less and less traditional political meat and potatoes to the defrauded. This makes the Dems the default only genuine majority party. Apparently they do not want to mess with passive success, nor take too unseemly advantage of it. Nor deliver too much either.
Now the new tech, even if designed by geniuses for criminals, is not really understood or mastered by those who want to push the buttons. They are more comfortable with simple stuff, big picture certainty. The final tweaking needs the success of getting things close. In ALL things the GOP is losing control and their boy wonder is no Mark Hanna basking in the Gilded Age but a dirty trick hack in over his head with every particular element of politics and technology. In reality, Rove shares the same quality as the GOP pols themselves. Pathetic. Needs to be put under the wheels of a moving airplane this time.
We have the means motive and opportunity and highly dedicated desperate crooks. What we don't have is surety of the crime. The technical "evidence" might just be written off as glitchy possibility or openness like the Georgia Diebold machine code able to be gamed simply(so that the idiot GOP gamesters can understand by ordinary crooks. Having results open to tampering has also been proved but maybe not the actual crime.
Just as certainly we have the opposite mystery that the Democrats in power do nothing about this junk, settling for dangerously tilting against the big picture- which is rigged dishonestly enough to warrant less generous deference.
It would be nice if the much more probable narratives surrounding the GOP possibilities, the really apparent criminal bent would spawn more distrust than the Absurd Lie whining that instead consume their corporate media timespace discontinuum. Every person I have five minutes with is easily shown how the vote is threatened currently whether it has even happened or not. More than enough for people to immediately assume that it has without benefit of lurid fiction or in depth revelations of some possible examples. Every aspect of the system is open now to so much cheating, largely invisible as far as the politician spawned law system is concerned that even finding one Aha! I gotcha moment is probably pretty insufficient.
Most everything has glitchy deniability punting back to unaccountability. No single thing has the stamp of actual election theft written on it. It is broader and deliberately dumber than that.
For the Dems wisdom resides in the big picture which they handle about as well considering the GOP is actually defaulting on earning ANY support by the majority of the voting citizenry. Getting rid of the money influence in elections is the single easiest step to cleaning up if only they weren't already enthusiastically corrupted by the same.