If Anonymous has definitive proof that Rove tried to hack the vote, present it.

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360. I don't think so, not with so many people on both sides watching.

That's kind of the beauty of the 'voter fraud' boogeyman. Every election, someone loses. Both sides lose from time to time, so both sides (two party system) are always looking to catch the other side cheating. There are a LOT of partisan eyeballs from both sides looking at the voting process from one end to the other.

All we seem to actually catch is onesies-twosies of people doing stupid things like trying to vote in two precincts or vote for a dead spouse, and the system does catch them. (And the news showed those instances to be often if not mostly Republicans, which is funny, because voter fraud is precisely the subject they howl about the most)

Unfortunately, I cannot state with any certainty how vulnerable or invulnerable the voting machines or tabulation machines are. They are not open source, so we can't code review them from the outside. Could the vote totals be altered in transit? I'd just about eat my hat if the data was sent unsigned, if not encrypted as well, BUT... Stranger things have happened. However, the total on the machine would have to be altered first, because there is a check performed when the results are certified, that the numbers match upstream.

I don't like how these machines are procured and implemented. It amounts to a method known as 'security through obscurity'. It's a bad practice. The machines could be just genuinely buggy, and outsiders would never know. They could be total vulnerable to outside tampering, and only black or white hat hackers would ever know.


so to resolve this going forward, we should be pushing election boards to move to open source voting machines that anyone can audit, and aren't protected by screams of IT'S PROPRIETARY YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO LOOK like Diebold and co. like to do. Presumably, they use some patents somewhere in the process that derive from their cash machines, and those machines are stupendously robust and reliable, but this isn't an accounting thing. You can't insure an election result. You can't meaningfully sue the manufacturer once the vote is done, if the machines are defective. We have to look at open source machines from the election board level on up. Maybe get legislatures to pass laws preventing lobbying efforts with such boards.

In my state, we don't really have this particular issue, as we moved to all-mail voting in 2008. So we have a paper trail, and traditional optical scans, etc.

Is diebold and friends an actual threat, an actual problem? I tend to doubt it, but I will agree it has the appearance of potential impropriety, and should be eliminated as a threat. Especially with the partisan divide in the business world between left and right.