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Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
36. "rational" can be a tricky concept.
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 03:48 PM
Dec 2023

The typical definition is that being rational is about being based on reason and logic, which as you point out, would lead to your question, "How can anyone support Trump and the Republican Party?" I would add the Conservative movement in general to that question.

It depends on the "facts" and attribution that are identified for the problems you posed. Supporters of Trump and the Conservative movement basically live in the same environment that we liberals/progressives/leftists live but they get very different "information" about why it works the way it does. I would say that liberals and leftists see things very differently from each other as well, but that is for another time.

The author of the letter to the editor is correct. America is definitely not working for many many people and it is not working as well as it should for ALL except a very few.

The original letter to the editor is behind a paywall, but the title is: "Yes, Trump voters know they are supporting a racist autocrat" which implies that they support Trump because he espouses views which they hold, which would be rational, at least in the sense of, "If I support Trump and the Republicans/Conservatives, America will look like and become more like I imagine I would like it to be.

Again, the problem comes to information and attribution. People not on the right, see the problems in the US and attribute them in varying degrees to Racism, Sexism, and Capitalism (or "corrupt Capitalism&quot . Typically, because we see that 400 families in the US have as much wealth as half of all Americans combined, which would be about 165 MILLION people. That figure is a bit dated, but the US has always had a very high level of income and asset inequality. We see that and we want to make policies which will distribute the wealth of the country, that the PEOPLE mainly generate through their work and their consumption, more equitably.

Conservatives, on the other hand, are fed constantly that their problems are caused, not by the artificial scarcity caused by the wealthy hoarding the wealth, but by Black people being criminal, by women invading the spaces that men should rightfully occupy, by immigrants coming to America to steal jobs AND be lazy and take welfare (go figure that one), and by LGBTQ people "destroying" traditional culture. Their attributions for the problems of this society are FUNDAMENTALLY different. So, operating by their "logic", a person saying they will, "get rid of those people causing all the problems" seems rational. It isn't the actual truth or fact, but within their perception of the world, it is rational.

The trick and the challenge is how do we get them to have a more accurate attribution to their problems?

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You can't reason with anyone who can't distinguish fantasy from reality Walleye Dec 2023 #1
Exactly. William769 Dec 2023 #3
As soon as they say "Because God says so!" or "You're just being woke!", the discussion is over, Midnight Writer Dec 2023 #11
Best thing to do is try for a clean getaway Warpy Dec 2023 #13
So true, engaging with them is bad for your health, mental and physical Walleye Dec 2023 #25
Ever. At all. To try is to be just as insane as they are. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Dec 2023 #14
You can't claudette Dec 2023 #2
This is true in several contexts. tritsofme Dec 2023 #12
Spot on! Trump supporters are not rational. brer cat Dec 2023 #4
Hi. William769 Dec 2023 #6
You too, my friend. brer cat Dec 2023 #9
CHEESE AND FUCKING CRACKERS Takket Dec 2023 #5
More like cheese and whine. William769 Dec 2023 #7
Yes. Mr. Evil Dec 2023 #19
Chris Rock: "There's nothing that makes a white man dobleremolque Dec 2023 #24
The only income inequality Trump supporters are concerned about is minorities who make more money. Lonestarblue Dec 2023 #8
Just like reagan's welfare queen BS BaronChocula Dec 2023 #32
The use of #7 iron helps. It is the only language some of them understand. ;) Chainfire Dec 2023 #10
A Gap Wedge Has More Mass In The Head ProfessorGAC Dec 2023 #15
I'm partial to dimensional lumber myself..... lastlib Dec 2023 #22
" 'And {Winston,} if the party says that it is not four but five -- then how many?' " . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #16
2024: The Sequel n/t BaronChocula Dec 2023 #33
They haven't just cut the wealthy taxes IbogaProject Dec 2023 #17
You can't. It is impossible. republianmushroom Dec 2023 #18
How does one reason with a "Democrat" who says they won't vote for Biden because they think Joe sop Dec 2023 #20
If you could reason with tRumpers, they wouldn't be tRumpers. lastlib Dec 2023 #21
"central issues for voters are income inequality and the unfair tax code." KS Toronado Dec 2023 #23
Try talking to a rock, we'll get a better response! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2023 #26
There is nothing to gain by engaging these morons JoseBalow Dec 2023 #27
And they delight in showing their stupidity. GreenWave Dec 2023 #28
They literally wave flags proclaiming it! JoseBalow Dec 2023 #29
Oh, the economic anxiety! BaronChocula Dec 2023 #30
Most Trump supporters have sufficient funds Joinfortmill Dec 2023 #31
90% 3auld6phart Dec 2023 #34
Because.... Jeebus Martin Eden Dec 2023 #35
"rational" can be a tricky concept. Caliman73 Dec 2023 #36
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