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Just_Vote_Dem

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Sat Dec 9, 2023, 08:25 AM Dec 2023

I have bad news for the progressives currently beguiled by Liz Cheney [View all]

Liberals beware: This political transformation is not, in fact, very transformative

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/liz-cheney-book-trump-receipts-democrats-beware-rcna128246

I have bad news for the progressives currently beguiled by Liz Cheney’s deft skewering of her erstwhile Republican colleagues: She is not going to love you back.

Cheney’s new book, “Oath and Honor: A Memoir and a Warning,” has become an immediate bestseller based on its promise to bring even more receipts to the Trump indictment party. (And she does have receipts.) Her message to anyone who has ever knitted a “pussy hat” hits right in the feels: Donald Trump is a “grave threat” to American democracy, a man “willing to torch the constitution,” and thus “[h]e has to be defeated, and people can’t be bystanders.”

Ironically, her last book had an equally dire warning — about Democrats post-Barack Obama. “Our next president must be committed to restoring America’s power and strength,” she and her father, former Vice President Dick Cheney, wrote in “Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America.” “Our security and the survival of freedom depend on it.” It’s almost as if they were calling for our next president to make America great again.

Others have illustrated the straight line that connects the rabid anti-Obama xenophobia and racism of the tea party movement — a movement Cheney embraced — and the mob that forced its way into the Capitol on Jan. 6. That ideological genealogy doesn’t make Cheney responsible for Jan. 6. Nor does it mean we shouldn’t take her current warnings less seriously. But it should temper the applause she gets in 2023 for making the same observations that plenty of people made in 2015. Democrats should be wary of investing this much political capital in a politician who is all but telling them about her intention to eventually betray them.

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At least Adam Kinzinger adamantly stated he'll vote for Biden. llmart Dec 2023 #1
I haven't heard her say! She is very partisan, Emile Dec 2023 #3
Well, I believe she crossed her political party very openly. llmart Dec 2023 #6
I'm going to be blunt. The Repug party is never going to be "cleaned up". Liz flashman13 Dec 2023 #83
Tens of "new" conservatives will not make the Republicans TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #89
Well, in my opinion, that scenario would actually be like "cleaning up" the GOP. llmart Dec 2023 #100
She's been publicly crossing her party since the Jan 6th committee started. TwilightZone Dec 2023 #9
the bottomline...Liz Cheney happens to hate Trump more than agingdem Dec 2023 #81
She's already crossed her political party very openly and vocally. Sal_NV Dec 2023 #106
She has said she will do whatever it takes radical noodle Dec 2023 #39
That probably means she will leave the Emile Dec 2023 #62
... which is a vote for Trump. dchill Dec 2023 #69
if the alternative to Trump, agingdem Dec 2023 #94
She's smarter than that radical noodle Dec 2023 #105
It is possibe to respect someone. Woodwizard Dec 2023 #2
I don't respect someone who voted with Trump 92.9 % of the time Just_Vote_Dem Dec 2023 #7
OK..... Woodwizard Dec 2023 #21
Ding ding ding nt LittleGirl Dec 2023 #22
To her credit... 2naSalit Dec 2023 #25
Which is far more important than one more blue vote in Wyoming nt spooky3 Dec 2023 #88
Let z Cheney reminds me of the "broken clock" thing: right twice a day. calimary Dec 2023 #37
Woodwizard..... Upthevibe Dec 2023 #45
I don't think anyone's "beguiled" by her. I think people simply agree with her that another presidency Scrivener7 Dec 2023 #4
+100. Well said, I agree completely. Rhiannon12866 Dec 2023 #16
Scrivener7............. Upthevibe Dec 2023 #47
And she is an ALLY if she gets other Republicans to follow her in that act. RandomNumbers Dec 2023 #73
Thank you. elleng Dec 2023 #87
No one on the left thinks that she's had a political transformation. TwilightZone Dec 2023 #5
Exactly Martin Eden Dec 2023 #11
Agree 100% n/t Just_Vote_Dem Dec 2023 #14
I know Democrats who are intrigued by Liz Cheney. yardwork Dec 2023 #43
The Steve Schmidt effect Sympthsical Dec 2023 #72
Agreed on all points. yardwork Dec 2023 #74
TwilightZone......... Upthevibe Dec 2023 #48
Agree. nt Quixote1818 Dec 2023 #108
I would never vote for her BlueKota Dec 2023 #8
Who knew Ana Marie Cox was so unctuous, condescending, and self-righteous. madaboutharry Dec 2023 #10
I disagree. Just_Vote_Dem Dec 2023 #13
I suggest you read her book. madaboutharry Dec 2023 #15
Thanks for the suggestion, I will think about it. n/t Just_Vote_Dem Dec 2023 #18
I'm not embracing her JustAnotherGen Dec 2023 #38
There was apparently some last minute editing to acknowledge that he became speaker. madaboutharry Dec 2023 #44
Hearing her read JustAnotherGen Dec 2023 #104
Trigger for the former Secretaries of Defense letter regarding the use of the military to conduct the coup?? LeftInTX Dec 2023 #59
Yes - she saw it JustAnotherGen Dec 2023 #103
Ana Marie Cox always has given me the Maureen Dowd yorkster Dec 2023 #23
Excellent smear! Paladin Dec 2023 #31
Merci - pretty good at the bon mots yourself. yorkster Dec 2023 #36
Merci, back atcha. (nt) Paladin Dec 2023 #53
madaboutharry...... Upthevibe Dec 2023 #49
Absolutely agree peggysue2 Dec 2023 #63
We may have no illusions about Liz Cheney, but there are gullible people out there. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2023 #90
The enemy The Wizard Dec 2023 #12
The Wizard......... Upthevibe Dec 2023 #50
No, logic nor physics excludes the possibility TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #92
She's on the side of the US on Bettie Dec 2023 #17
We know that. Shermanator Dec 2023 #19
I'll stand with anyone who stands against trump oldsoftie Dec 2023 #20
Calm down. No one in DU is falling in love there Bucky Dec 2023 #24
Exactly. She's apparently not down with fascism. That's nice. paleotn Dec 2023 #29
She may be an ally for now. But she is no progressive, let alone a Democrat. This enemy of our enemy is also our enemy. marble falls Dec 2023 #26
This is why democrats lose Playingmantis Dec 2023 #40
Trusting hard right conservative Republicans? marble falls Dec 2023 #58
No Failing to accept someone who shares a similar concern for the danger of the Orange Liar Playingmantis Dec 2023 #111
So which Democrats have failed to listen to which Republicans? marble falls Dec 2023 #112
Explination Playingmantis Dec 2023 #113
I will take any and all help to take Trump down orangecrush Dec 2023 #27
Our interests coinciding does not equal beguiled. paleotn Dec 2023 #28
A clear eyed view of Cheney. Her eloquence and insider info is notable Raven123 Dec 2023 #30
She is angling for a run for prez in which MOMFUDSKI Dec 2023 #32
The enemy of my enemy, and so on. MineralMan Dec 2023 #33
If this post was written during WWII it would say... nycbos Dec 2023 #34
No truer words were ever posted at DU JustAnotherGen Dec 2023 #41
Bravo, my friend. Bravo. Joinfortmill Dec 2023 #52
Well stated Hekate Dec 2023 #80
To quote Charlie Pierce, "All hands on deck, but... JHB Dec 2023 #35
Cheney is not even remotely a "centrist" conservative. bluesbassman Dec 2023 #42
Liz Cheney is preaching to the choir radical noodle Dec 2023 #46
Well, yes and no... Joinfortmill Dec 2023 #51
She won't run. She will never win a Republican and Democratic presidential primary. LeftInTX Dec 2023 #61
I don't think anybody has any illusions about her underlying politics. Ocelot II Dec 2023 #54
I'm fine with saying I stand with Liz Cheney on destroying Trump and Trumpism... SYFROYH Dec 2023 #55
Good post. Hope most Dems know that she's still a republicnan... brush Dec 2023 #56
I have no regard for ANY republicans - so am under no illusion that she is self serving - and NewHendoLib Dec 2023 #57
Yeah. Autumn Dec 2023 #60
You could not be more wrong. madaboutharry Dec 2023 #75
She is loyal to her party. She supported Trump 93% of the time. Had it been her dad or a friend she would Autumn Dec 2023 #79
She was more than good with her daddy's coup TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #93
You need to read the first post I made in this thread. madaboutharry Dec 2023 #98
She is a patriot edhopper Dec 2023 #64
I agree with you. We need everybody to defeat Trump. We can part ways on other issues but getting rid of Trump is CTyankee Dec 2023 #65
she could be in this to protect NECON interest, I think they're a bit worried. A fascist dictator could seize or steal Hotler Dec 2023 #66
She's a piece of shit that should be discarded with yesterday's trash as soon as we are done with trump. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2023 #67
I find this: MorbidButterflyTat Dec 2023 #68
what is this nonsense about warning 'liberals' bigtree Dec 2023 #70
My point exactly... It is rather condescending but apparently these writers/pundits feel the need to hlthe2b Dec 2023 #78
You must have forgotten posts here like "Liz Cheney for Speaker?" or... JHB Dec 2023 #97
so they were like, 'I'm liberal and Liz Cheney is my political spirit animal?' bigtree Dec 2023 #99
Liz Cheney has ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY vowed to not vote for Trump... bullwinkle428 Dec 2023 #71
Duhh... I really think it is a very tiny minority that does not already know the score w Liz... hlthe2b Dec 2023 #76
How about all of us who aren't "beguiled," just grateful for an ally in saving democracy in this undeclared civil war Hekate Dec 2023 #77
They started something they can't control. idahoblue Dec 2023 #82
The enemy of my enemy can be useful in... Dave Bowman Dec 2023 #84
We need R voices speaking out against trump, the more conservative the better EleanorR Dec 2023 #85
She is not an ally quakerboy Dec 2023 #86
I see Cheney as an ally against *rump. Period. slightlv Dec 2023 #91
The idea that a "powerful" USA is essential for worldwide political stability has more than one aspect. jaxexpat Dec 2023 #95
I know that I can both disagree on some/most things with a person yet find things to agree on and we have that GuppyGal Dec 2023 #96
The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. BlueIdaho Dec 2023 #101
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2023 #102
Glad for her help right now, madamesilverspurs Dec 2023 #107
The enemy of my enemy is my friend Pototan Dec 2023 #109
Don't like her. Would never vote for her. So she stands up to Trump because of his treasonous Scalded Nun Dec 2023 #110
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