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RainDog

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Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:02 AM Jan 2012

Religious belief interferes with people's understanding of evolution (NPR) [View all]

Last edited Tue Jan 24, 2012, 05:26 AM - Edit history (3)

http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2012/01/18/145338804/why-do-so-many-have-trouble-with-evolution?sc=fb&cc=fp

21 percent of people with a high school education or less believed in evolution. That number rose to 41 percent for people with some college attendance, 53 percent for college graduates, and 74 percent for people with a postgraduate education.

Another variable investigated by the same poll was how belief in evolution correlates with church attendance. Of those who believe in evolution, 24 percent go to church weekly, 30 percent go nearly weekly/monthly, and 55 percent seldom or never go

The evidence for evolution is overwhelming. It's in the fossil record, carefully dated using radioactivity, the release of particles from radioactive isotopic decay, which works like a very precise clock. Rocks from volcanic eruptions (igneous rocks) buried near a fossil carry certain amounts of radioactive material, unstable atomic nuclei that emit different kinds of radiation, like tiny bullets. The most common is Uranium-235, which decays into Lead-207. Analyzing the ratio of Uranium-235 to Lead-207 in a sample, and knowing how frequently Uranium-235 emits particles (its half-life is 704 million years, the amount half a sample decays into Lead), scientists can get a very accurate measure of the age of a fossil.

But evidence for evolution is also much more palpable, for example in the risks of overprescribing antibiotics: the more we (and farm animals) take antibiotics, the higher the chance that a microbe will mutate into one resistant to the drug. This is in-your-face evolution, species mutating at the genetic level and adapting to a new environment (in this case, an environment contaminated with antibiotics). The proof of this can be easily achieved in the laboratory (see link above), by comparing original strands of bacteria with those subjected to different doses of antibiotics. It's simple and conclusive, since the changes in the genetic code of the resistant mutant can be identified and studied.


From this article I learned that creationists deny microbial mutation!!! I didn't know they went this far out into the realms of utter stupidity, but they do!

Of course, the person making this claim has NO EVIDENCE to back up her hypothesis - just a desire to maintain an unsupportable belief.

And this reality - the denial of reality, my fellow DUers, is why we can't have good govt.

Support for evolution based upon religious body



edit to add this graph - which is only Christian religious groups, not others mentioned - but others are minorities.



and a graph of the 2008 presidential election - corrected



Importance of religion by state





The percentages of high school graduates.

Political Ideology and Religion:





Income level and religious belief:


(Edited to add other graphs/info in this thread)

Acceptance of Evolutionary Theory by Nation



This link comes from this interesting article excerpted below: http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/bloom07/bloom07_index.html

The nations that think religion has a positive impact are also the nations with the most people who do not accept evolutionary theory in the original link in this post - I don't think Indonesia was included, however, but the U.S., South Korea, South Africa, Brazil and India are all nations with the most people who deny evolution is real.



WHY DO SOME PEOPLE RESIST SCIENCE?

...there are cultural factors that need to be explained. Americans are not more resistant to science in general. For instance, 1 in 5 American adults believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth, which is somewhat shocking—but the same proportion holds for Germany and Great Britain. But Americans really are special when it comes to certain scientific ideas—and, in particular, with regard to evolutionary theory. The relevant data are shown below, from a 2006 survey published in Science. What explains this culture-specific resistance to evolution?

When faced with this kind of asserted information, one can occasionally evaluate its truth directly. But in some domains, including much of science, direct evaluation is difficult or impossible. Few of us are qualified to assess claims about the merits of string theory, the role in mercury in the etiology of autism, or the existence of repressed memories. So rather than evaluating the asserted claim itself, we instead evaluate the claim's source. If the source is deemed trustworthy, people will believe the claim, often without really understanding it. As our colleague Frank Keil has discussed, this sort of division of cognitive labor is essential in any complex society, where any single individuals will lack the resources to evaluate all the claims that he or she hears.

This deference to authority isn't limited to science; the same process holds for certain religious, moral, and political beliefs as well. In an illustrative recent study, subjects were asked their opinion about a social welfare policy, which was described as being endorsed either by Democrats or by Republicans. Although the subjects sincerely believed that their responses were based on the objective merits of the policy, the major determinant of what they thought of the policy was in fact whether or not their favored political party was said to endorse it. More generally, many of the specific moral intuitions held by members of a society appear to be the consequence, not of personal moral contemplation, but of deference to the views of the community.

Adults thus rely on the trustworthiness of the source when deciding which asserted claims to believe. Do children do the same? Recent studies suggest that they do; children, like adults, have at least some capacity to assess the trustworthiness of their information sources. Four- and five-year-olds, for instance, know that adults know things that other children do not (like the meaning of the word "hypochondriac&quot , and when given conflicting information about a word's meaning from a child and from an adult, they prefer to learn from the adult. They know that adults have different areas of expertise, that doctors know about fixing broken arms and mechanics know about fixing flat tires. They prefer to learn from a knowledgeable speaker than from an ignorant one, and they prefer a confident source to a tentative one. Finally, when five year-olds hear about a competition whose outcome was unclear, they are more likely to believe a character who claimed that he had lost the race (a statement that goes against his self-interest) than a character who claimed that he had won the race (a statement that goes with his self-interest). In a limited sense, then, they are capable of cynicism.

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Evolution is just a theory Ichingcarpenter Jan 2012 #1
Then how do you explain this? limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #3
They ended up being all smokers after that Ichingcarpenter Jan 2012 #12
That's not a real photograph - mr blur Jan 2012 #100
I'm not so sure Mr Blur Son of Gob Jan 2012 #103
+1 WhoIsNumberNone Jan 2012 #18
'hypothesis' is a bit generous for creationism muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #21
I'd call it pigheadedness RainDog Jan 2012 #23
I thought the word is pass their understanding too Ichingcarpenter Jan 2012 #24
Technically zipplewrath Jan 2012 #53
Exactly. surrealAmerican Jan 2012 #78
An alternative theory.. Fumesucker Jan 2012 #2
Disagree Possumpoint Jan 2012 #5
Do you also disagree with the theory in the OP? n/t Fumesucker Jan 2012 #8
The OP notes there are many people with religious belief that understand and accept evolution RainDog Jan 2012 #9
"Religious belief interferes with people's understanding of evolution" Fumesucker Jan 2012 #13
it also appears to interfere with a govt that cares about the poor and the middle class RainDog Jan 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author RainDog Jan 2012 #4
just wow limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #7
more graphs to come! RainDog Jan 2012 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author RainDog Jan 2012 #29
So of the nations surveyed, we come in next to last? WhoIsNumberNone Jan 2012 #16
And notice how the top nations all have social democracies RainDog Jan 2012 #19
That is PATHETIC Arugula Latte Jan 2012 #45
yeah. and people around here don't like to see uncomfortable truths RainDog Jan 2012 #52
Yep. A big reason our country is in so much trouble is because of religion-bred ignorance/delusion Arugula Latte Jan 2012 #89
well, I do think there's a difference b/t specific issues RainDog Jan 2012 #93
Fascinating chart..... dixiegrrrrl Jan 2012 #83
wow... that is scary Marrah_G Jan 2012 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author RainDog Jan 2012 #11
2008 Electoral College Results - 3 Maps RainDog Jan 2012 #15
Boy, it really drops sharply when you get to the Christian denominations, doesn't it? WhoIsNumberNone Jan 2012 #14
I would - Catholics and liturgical Christians - i.e. Episcopalians, Lutherans, etc. RainDog Jan 2012 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #76
Catholic theologians have long accepted evolution bklyncowgirl Jan 2012 #109
I have never had a problem reconciling the two. Are_grits_groceries Jan 2012 #20
I respect that some people have a belief in god RainDog Jan 2012 #22
Your election graph is inaccurate. mmonk Jan 2012 #25
I got it from huffpo. can you find an accurate one, snookums? :) RainDog Jan 2012 #27
You are aggravated with a map direction? dixiegrrrrl Jan 2012 #84
got the correct one RainDog Jan 2012 #28
No problem. mmonk Jan 2012 #32
I'm glad you pointed it out RainDog Jan 2012 #33
Thanks for the thread. mmonk Jan 2012 #34
go for it, mr. economist guy! :) RainDog Jan 2012 #35
. mmonk Jan 2012 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author RainDog Jan 2012 #26
"Belief gets in the way of thinking" hobbit709 Jan 2012 #30
... RainDog Jan 2012 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author RainDog Jan 2012 #31
The interpretation of religion interferes with understanding LeftinOH Jan 2012 #37
Well no shit, when you fill a persons brain with stupid from a young age snooper2 Jan 2012 #38
religion = insanity.... mike_c Jan 2012 #40
Intolerance = delusional, willful ignorance. HappyMe Jan 2012 #41
I don't "tolerate" delusion.... mike_c Jan 2012 #42
Stating that religion = insanity educates no one, HappyMe Jan 2012 #43
what's interesting about these stats RainDog Jan 2012 #44
that's why, by definition, they are not sane.... mike_c Jan 2012 #46
Thank goodness we have people like you to point out the insane! HappyMe Jan 2012 #47
actually, you can change my mind in an instant.... mike_c Jan 2012 #49
Isn't the definition of insanity... BillStein Jan 2012 #80
I think it's more complicated than that RainDog Jan 2012 #48
yes, but implicit in the argument that religious believers have been psychologically abused... mike_c Jan 2012 #50
in that case, people need help to come to terms with reality RainDog Jan 2012 #51
in reply to your edit RainDog Jan 2012 #57
There are lots of other statistical maps that could be overlaid on those MNBrewer Jan 2012 #54
Also the states that receive federal taxes vs those who pay them RainDog Jan 2012 #56
I don't have access to this article at this time RainDog Jan 2012 #111
K/R Dawson Leery Jan 2012 #55
Religious belief interferes with people. sarcasmo Jan 2012 #58
1925 - The Scopes "Monkey" Trial BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #59
Inherit the wind is a great movie! RainDog Jan 2012 #64
Inherit The Wind is in my Top 10 BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #79
I love that movie too RainDog Jan 2012 #81
William Jennings Byran, who defended creationism, was supported by the KKK RainDog Jan 2012 #74
On the nces link BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #82
The Arkansas Nine RainDog Jan 2012 #94
What's interesting is that the right wing has used the same fears for decades RainDog Jan 2012 #106
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #60
LOL RainDog Jan 2012 #62
You are so funny!!! Lol!!! Lost-in-FL Jan 2012 #65
Aspirin? Solly Mack Jan 2012 #66
that poster has evolved to another lifeform - a tombstone n/t RainDog Jan 2012 #67
Good. I know stupid has to hurt so I offered up an aspirin. Solly Mack Jan 2012 #68
the first interaction I had with this person RainDog Jan 2012 #69
Me, too. Solly Mack Jan 2012 #70
Bout Fuckin Time. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #73
a fab book on this is Larry Witham's "Where Darwin Meets the Bible" MisterP Jan 2012 #61
the only one I saw was just by country RainDog Jan 2012 #63
speaking of the KKK RainDog Jan 2012 #71
It's amazing to see exactly what stupidity does to the brain. hyphenate Jan 2012 #72
I want to be better than that RainDog Jan 2012 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #77
Your graphs and links have made this one of the most informative posts dixiegrrrrl Jan 2012 #85
Thanks! RainDog Jan 2012 #87
I have zero use for religion in any form, but even less for the ones that intentionally deceive. Moostache Jan 2012 #86
This message was self-deleted by its author RainDog Jan 2012 #88
This message was self-deleted by its author RainDog Jan 2012 #90
On those *creepy feelings* BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author RainDog Jan 2012 #95
fraud vs fact BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #96
I'm just not that interested in that book anymore RainDog Jan 2012 #97
I don't know if this still applies BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #102
This message was self-deleted by its author RainDog Jan 2012 #107
I lived 25 years in Wheaton, IL, the first question you were asked was what church did you go to? riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #101
I'm super religious and I believe in evolution. okieinpain Jan 2012 #91
are you Christian? RainDog Jan 2012 #98
i know you weren't asking me, but i am a christian and i believe in evolution arely staircase Jan 2012 #110
Funny but true explanation from a segment on The Big Bang Theory: Ilsa Jan 2012 #104
and that seems to get to the crux of the problem! :) n/t RainDog Jan 2012 #105
Evolution is Satan's religion! B Calm Jan 2012 #108
k/r Dawson Leery Jun 2012 #112
interesting graphs, huh? RainDog Jun 2012 #113
The percents among Buddhists and Hindus explain why China and India are kicking our asses in science yardwork Nov 2012 #114
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