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179. Have I ever been to Belgium?

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:21 PM

Nov 2012

Oh, only once or twice a week for my work for the last 30 years! (not your typical day job, don't ask) It is a two hour drive (3 by train) from my house in the Rheinland to Brussels (and another 2 hours to find a legal parking space, which is why I prefer the train).

I speak Dutch, so the Flemish version is no problem for me unless it's one of the oddball dialects that survive to this day in some small villages. Even big town Flemings can hardly understand those people.

I get the same thing to some degree when I'm in Romania. I understand Italian, Catalan, French and Spanish, so I get some, but far from all Romanian. Their language, though Latin based, evolved far away from the western Romance languages, and it is quite different--far more so than Dutch/Flemish is from German. I can grasp words here and there, but following a news broadcast or a conversation is impossible for me. Same goes for Russian and Polish. Though both are Slavic, Polish is western Slavic (close to Czech), where Russian is eastern Slavic (like Bulgarian and Serbian). When listening to Poles, I can grasp some of what they're saying, but I can't hold or understand a conversation or watch the evening news and follow what's going on.

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Are You Dumber than an American? [View all] unhappycamper Nov 2012 OP

despite the total lack of common sense and evidence? Flashmann Nov 2012 #1

The problem is ubiquitous even on DU. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #138

It's not satire and it's not funny AlbertCat Nov 2012 #152

maybe it's not funny to YOU- but a LOT of others seem to like it. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #177

I absolutely agree! ReRe Nov 2012 #164

Why can't you choose to simply not watch it and allow those that EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #272

Whew.... I hit a nerve... ReRe Nov 2012 #274

No, hardly. I'm just tolerant of other EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #276

I think you did use the word "petty", no? ReRe Nov 2012 #277

P.S. ReRe Nov 2012 #278

P.S.S. ReRe Nov 2012 #279

Welcome. You have a Happy Thanksgiving as well. EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #290

Oh, come on. I'm from the South and I find that hilarious. redgreenandblue Nov 2012 #292

what a stupid article. yeah, all americans are stupid except for "the brilliant elite". HiPointDem Nov 2012 #2

I think you misinterpreted the description. It isn't that the American elite are brilliant, rather Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #4

use of definite rather than indefinite article suggests otherwise. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #5

It is a translation done by a volunteer from Swedish. But if you want to get all freaked out by it, Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #10

well then all bets are off. do you read swedish? because all we have is the english HiPointDem Nov 2012 #12

I found the original DFW Nov 2012 #20

thank you. "av" is what is translated as "beside"? what are the various senses of "av"? HiPointDem Nov 2012 #27

"av" means "Of" Demeter Nov 2012 #46

google translates the sentence in question as: HiPointDem Nov 2012 #52

Point of the article demonstrated above. liberalmuse Nov 2012 #84

care to expound on what you find so stupid? or perhaps contribute your own summary? HiPointDem Nov 2012 #88

LoPointDem would be a better handle for you. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #139

unfortunately, i'm unable to respond in kind. some posters are allowed to HiPointDem Nov 2012 #218

be careful with google translate thesquanderer Nov 2012 #149

i appreciate dfw's translation, which clarified the passage. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #161

"European Sport". Really? All europeans do this? Lars77 Nov 2012 #72

about as many as there are stupid americans... HiPointDem Nov 2012 #97

70 years ago now treestar Nov 2012 #96

28 million dead Russians may disagree with your post. go west young man Nov 2012 #187

The thing about accusing people who criticise you of having sibelian Nov 2012 #263

I married a Swede Demeter Nov 2012 #275

Swedish is very easy for an English-speaking person to learn DFW Nov 2012 #111

thank you. i appreciate the discussion of the individual words. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #117

Nice post!! I just saw it after posting my own attempt at translation through German. n/t xocet Nov 2012 #123

Greetings...(now to the "I'm not an expert, but I play one on the internet"-segment of the thread) xocet Nov 2012 #121

See my dissection above (post 111) DFW Nov 2012 #134

Thanks. xocet Nov 2012 #159

There are a LOT of similarities in the basics of German and Swedish DFW Nov 2012 #162

That is really cool. I need to check out Swedish grammar. xocet Nov 2012 #173

Have I ever been to Belgium? DFW Nov 2012 #179

You must have a very interesting existence - I won't ask what you do.... xocet Nov 2012 #217

The S�chsisch dialect is from the area of Leipzig. defacto7 Nov 2012 #223

just for a note defacto7 Nov 2012 #224

"S�chsisch" just means "Saxon" DFW Nov 2012 #260

I deal with Americans every day. It's rare to find one that can speak in complete sentences Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #35

what "we do as a nation" has nothing to do with the intelligence of individual HiPointDem Nov 2012 #42

You didn't even read it, did you? Enjoy your outrage. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #43

your post? i read every word. i'm not outraged. you appear to be the outraged HiPointDem Nov 2012 #45

I thought this paragraph made a good point. Fumesucker Nov 2012 #47

i think it's pretty easy not to to so. i think israel, as a nation, does plenty of shitty HiPointDem Nov 2012 #57

Which one of those nations has a military equal to the rest of the planet combined? Fumesucker Nov 2012 #59

none, but that seems to me irrelevant. or perhaps relevant in this way: if they did, HiPointDem Nov 2012 #60

And because most hegemons have acted that way it's not amazingly dumbass? Fumesucker Nov 2012 #66

how many other places have you lived? it's not that different from anywhere else. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #68

Try not paying attention to that stuff and then having social conversation with people Fumesucker Nov 2012 #73

i haven't found it such a terrible minefield if i discuss rather than lecture (contrary HiPointDem Nov 2012 #80

More listening, less lecturing. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #140

yes. as i acknowledge. du is not real life. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #143

Or try not watching television and carrying on a conversation with the majority Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #178

Yeah, that was my point Fumesucker Nov 2012 #183

You got me. I skipped over a lot of the rant. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #185

That is absurd. grantcart Nov 2012 #294

i've heard the "only in..." line from people from every country that i've met. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #302

"Only in America" refers to a Horatio Alger type rags-to-riches story. Not generosity. Romulox Nov 2012 #309

Are you including yourself and your family in your stereotype? lalalu Nov 2012 #87

none of the people on this thread are the dumb ones, of course. the dumb ones HiPointDem Nov 2012 #99

I just find it interesting that lalalu Nov 2012 #100

If only you could see how far off the mark you are Fumesucker Nov 2012 #141

Myself, no. Most of my family, most definitely. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #175

No exceptions, this is stereotyping all Americans. lalalu Nov 2012 #191

Nice try, but this pathetic attempt to re-write what was written to suit your defense will not fly. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #194

You reread. lalalu Nov 2012 #197

And another fail from the outraged illiterate. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #199

When you can't defend your position then personal attacks are all you have. lalalu Nov 2012 #202

I provided the evidentiary quotation in the reply. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #221

How ironic that you are the one behaving like a dumb American. lalalu Nov 2012 #234

I know you are, but what am I? Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #235

I just told you what you are. lalalu Nov 2012 #236

I know you are, but what am I? Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #237

It's "rare" to find an American who can speak in complete sentences? What does that say about cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #215

do you read swedish AlbertCat Nov 2012 #153

hardly. it's a function of location and economics, nothing to do with intelligence. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #158

Swedish is tricky with its articles DFW Nov 2012 #14

Here you are. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #36

The Scand. languages have also conveniently simplified verb conjugations Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #124

Verbs are a joy for sure, no conjugation at all DFW Nov 2012 #136

I was gonna mention the subjunctive Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #151

Oh, yeah. DFW Nov 2012 #156

I was sorta aware of �at. Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #165

If you can really read the runes, kudos DFW Nov 2012 #168

I wrote this: Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #169

OK, now I'm REALLY impressed! DFW Nov 2012 #171

Making their point indeed! elleng Nov 2012 #145

Brilliant people are not necessarily FlaGranny Nov 2012 #17

My reply was badly worded, or at least not specific enough. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #41

What exactly are you pissed about?.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #15

i'm not pissed. i think the article's stupid, at least the title & excerpt i read in HiPointDem Nov 2012 #49

I too have lived and billh58 Nov 2012 #69

i understand where it comes from as well. it comes from selective media reports, HiPointDem Nov 2012 #76

Right you are brush Nov 2012 #83

Exactly lalalu Nov 2012 #98

That is not what was said. gcomeau Nov 2012 #110

You may be right. However, in which country is it that average citizens don't HiPointDem Nov 2012 #119

None of them. Not the point at all. gcomeau Nov 2012 #132

sweden 1st ventured into neoliberalization decades ago, and not just in ed. not something new, e.g. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #160

You quibble and miss the big picture: Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #144

Martin Bashir has a commercial where he basically says: Whisp Nov 2012 #252

smug and stupid article. cali Nov 2012 #3

She said in a sweeping generalization Fumesucker Nov 2012 #21

really? so you actually think that sweeping generalizations are an intelligent way cali Nov 2012 #25

And Palestinians are violent Fumesucker Nov 2012 #31

Really? I don't see Cali making that assertion & I don't see her name on the link you provided. whathehell Nov 2012 #89

The link I provided was to a DUer calling Palestinians "naturally violent" Fumesucker Nov 2012 #91

Um, yeah, whatever. whathehell Nov 2012 #127

I had it to start with and I think you're wrong Fumesucker Nov 2012 #128

I think not, and even if what you say about Cali is true, whathehell Nov 2012 #189

Example of sweeping generalization by cali Fumesucker Nov 2012 #324

"rarely" is a qualifier. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #29

It's still a sweeping generalization Fumesucker Nov 2012 #33

however, it has the merit of truth value. which the propositon that americans are HiPointDem Nov 2012 #37

I just find it humorous that cali of all people denounces sweeping generalizations Fumesucker Nov 2012 #44

hmm. you may have a point there. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #50

+1. Ironically, it's one of those OPs that sufrommich Nov 2012 #40

LOL. whathehell Nov 2012 #81

Agree 100% lalalu Nov 2012 #203

Television, the drug of the nation. Breeding ignorance, fear, and anti-intellectualism. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #6

Yep. No country in the world has the superior marketing strategies of the U.S. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #63

and I guess no other country in the world has television either. whathehell Nov 2012 #82

And you guessed wrong. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #104

Oh my. I guess I should remember that sarcasm thingy. whathehell Nov 2012 #109

they have it, but they never watch it. well, not very much. oh wait - HiPointDem Nov 2012 #106

have you seen commercials in other countries? they do just fine. they have all the HiPointDem Nov 2012 #103

Yes, actually I *have* seen commercials in the other countries of the world. Lived in some of. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #108

there may be a real journalism still alive in europe, i actually don't know. but the right HiPointDem Nov 2012 #113

Wage slaves in Europe BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #122

.... HiPointDem Nov 2012 #163

There's a difference between Guest Workers and your average German employee. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #251

Love the Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy reference. nt OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #135

There aren't many of us that recognize that, although since LCD displays have become nearly Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #174

I've got the four song EP/maxi single OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #182

I'm thinking of Theodore White's first book: ewagner Nov 2012 #7

+1 nt laundry_queen Nov 2012 #8

Indeed we have become consumers instead of citizens. mountain grammy Nov 2012 #107

I was hoping this was a TV show. -nt- DireStrike Nov 2012 #9

LOL! +1 Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #11

No, because I grew up in Massachusetts, or as the Tea Party calls it "The most liberal Country in pam4water Nov 2012 #13

DURec x2 vancouverite Nov 2012 #16

I love this country. brokechris Nov 2012 #18

Re: Palin--the "exist" wasn't meant to be taken literally DFW Nov 2012 #133

I didn't know you wrote the article brokechris Nov 2012 #180

I didn't know you read Swedish DFW Nov 2012 #216

I'm actually much smarter than the average American tavalon Nov 2012 #19

if you long to be a Canadian brokechris Nov 2012 #23

Because I'm poly with an autistic child tavalon Nov 2012 #30

if they want you and you can brokechris Nov 2012 #39

I spent years trying to find that way tavalon Nov 2012 #195

"poly" = ? Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #146

While it's currently going to hell in a handbasket, tavalon Nov 2012 #192

Ah, thanks. Know of polyamory; please use the word not the abbreviation except in contexts Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #230

Yeah, you're right tavalon Nov 2012 #232

Vancouver is wonderful... BobTheSubgenius Nov 2012 #222

Currently living in one of the most expensive places in the US tavalon Nov 2012 #233

If they don't want your family, why would you want to move there? Dr. Strange Nov 2012 #258

discussion groups are poor places to explain the intricacies of a situation such as mine. tavalon Nov 2012 #267

.Well, thanks for telling us that, Tav, especially since it's not especially apparent. whathehell Nov 2012 #105

Please... for the love of all that is good and just... be joking. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #118

Yes, I had hoped for the same whathehell Nov 2012 #126

Vancouver specifically tavalon Nov 2012 #196

I doubt that will be far enough. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #205

Does my expressing an opinion offend you in some way? tavalon Nov 2012 #207

Well, I guess it depends on how you express it, now doesn't it? ElboRuum Nov 2012 #243

Did you not get the part where it's merely a pipe dream and not going to happen? tavalon Nov 2012 #268

"Pipe" dream. Ah, clever... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #280

Well, you are bright if not kind. tavalon Nov 2012 #308

I've found that people who talk like that, Union Scribe Nov 2012 #214

+ 10 whathehell Nov 2012 #316

Home schooling BlueinOhio Nov 2012 #22

You said it, and you said it well! mountain grammy Nov 2012 #92

As long as our News Media is allowed to oldbanjo Nov 2012 #24

no more so than any other nation. you have the educated and uneducated. the curious, seabeyond Nov 2012 #26

yep. no difference. i heard palinesque stuff 30 years ago from a pair of canadians HiPointDem Nov 2012 #32

Oh, so now you think anecdotal evidence proves sweeping generalizations. Logic much? Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #147

not at all. where did i say such a thing? but you know, there's a logical gap from "half the HiPointDem Nov 2012 #172

The half that voted for Romney sure do drag the average down severely. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #176

Thank you. Like many others here, I get very tired of the obligatory Five Minutes of Self Hate. whathehell Nov 2012 #193

Appealing to America's ignorance and gullibility The Wizard Nov 2012 #28

yep. most of the memes come from the "brilliant elite" themselves, and are used HiPointDem Nov 2012 #34

Fundamentalist Christians BlueinOhio Nov 2012 #38

I've tried to make it through watching Idiocracy, but never have, one of my failings in RKP5637 Nov 2012 #54

A barely mediocre comedy staring Luke Wilson. Dash87 Nov 2012 #181

You're right, as a comedic film it is awful. But, as a social commentary, and possible Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #186

Perhaps Ms. Thug . whathehell Nov 2012 #286

None taken, and I have always, on occasion, enjoyed a little pain. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #305

So you're a masochist? whathehell Nov 2012 #306

Hey, I'm a really left liberal, intellectual, and a member of DU. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #312

Hmm... davidthegnome Nov 2012 #48

Years before my wife and I got together chemenger Nov 2012 #51

you know something? brokechris Nov 2012 #55

"Stupid and self-centered"? whathehell Nov 2012 #125

I can't disagree with anything you've stated in your response, however chemenger Nov 2012 #129

I find most of humanity pretty stupid, so I don't think America has the only leading role when RKP5637 Nov 2012 #53

+1000000 It's not an American issue... dionysus Nov 2012 #204

Ah, yes, the sensible Swedes, for whom child porn was legal until 1999. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #56

To paraphrase George Carlin. . . . ncgrits Nov 2012 #58

and where do you stand in this hierarchy of smartness? as you are standing back HiPointDem Nov 2012 #65

HA! I would like to think that I am in the top 1/2, but doing so probably qualifies me ncgrits Nov 2012 #130

Forgive me Arcanetrance Nov 2012 #61

No "forgiveness" needed whathehell Nov 2012 #190

For all the consternation the Swedish author is causing in this thread, I have to get a CTyankee Nov 2012 #62

The author makes a very smart point. Barack_America Nov 2012 #74

I thought so too. I just can't understand the utter outrage here about what she wrote in this CTyankee Nov 2012 #77

If she had inserted "conservative" in the title we'd all be applauding this. Barack_America Nov 2012 #79

I tuned in on precisely that vibe from her. CTyankee Nov 2012 #86

Rather than ask "where to begin", you might want to aks "Where to end". whathehell Nov 2012 #259

It's great that we have elected a person of color to President, yes and good for us! CTyankee Nov 2012 #262

Yes, it is and of course I know that it's not "everything", and as a progressive democrat whathehell Nov 2012 #264

I feel that we are "evolving" on the social programs faster than we have on the CTyankee Nov 2012 #266

People vote where they think they're given an actual choice Fumesucker Nov 2012 #273

that observation gripped me too. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2012 #154

What many under a certain age don't realize is that this idiocy, this "rejection of science", etc. whathehell Nov 2012 #310

Very true treestar Nov 2012 #101

Stupid people do the bidding of the plutocrats. Barack_America Nov 2012 #114

Oh, that apocalyptic dialect, really gets me ElboRuum Nov 2012 #142

lol. yeah, it's all those stupid people serving as worker bees and managerial personnel in the HiPointDem Nov 2012 #170

You might consider reading the post I was responding to... Barack_America Nov 2012 #184

+1000 noiretextatique Nov 2012 #167

I was wondering why the Frisbee was getting bigger. aandegoons Nov 2012 #64

LOL RKP5637 Nov 2012 #67

Stupid sells. Barack_America Nov 2012 #70

Only in America is the film Idiocracy not considered a satire. nt valerief Nov 2012 #71

Americans aren't "stupid" Liberal1975 Nov 2012 #75

i agree with the general thrust but i'd just like to say that america never scored HiPointDem Nov 2012 #102

Thanks Liberal1975 Nov 2012 #120

"I stand by my theory that we are much more disillusioned than stupid." I agree. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #166

US became most powerful economy in large part by attracting highly educated intelligent immigrants. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #148

Interesting discussion, lots of defensiveness. Maineman Nov 2012 #78

Lighten up! denvine Nov 2012 #85

Margaret Thatcher, Sarkozy, soccer riots, Greek rightwing extremists, lalalu Nov 2012 #90

Thank you. Although I've learned to expect a lot of knee-jerk anti-Americanism whathehell Nov 2012 #323

It is due to our misguided belief that disputation and argument lead to the truth FarCenter Nov 2012 #93

Funny... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #115

Customers rather than citizens treestar Nov 2012 #94

We are ... (both) Maineman Nov 2012 #95

Oh, dear. More of this shit... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #112

Maybe you missed this valerief Nov 2012 #131

Quite amusing that... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #137

... Fumesucker Nov 2012 #188

Always enjoyed that one... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #201

I guess it's a good thing we don't have a democracy then....... Burma Jones Nov 2012 #116

If you make one ethnic slur, you are embracing and tolerating ALL ethnic slurs melody Nov 2012 #150

Correct, and the dummies eagerly embracing this self-hate shit sandwich would be excoriating whathehell Nov 2012 #198

Exactly, well said. melody Nov 2012 #220

Thank you. n/t whathehell Nov 2012 #256

I'm allowed to point out the flaws of my own ethnicity Fumesucker Nov 2012 #206

You're still a bigot melody Nov 2012 #219

Aww, I love you too Fumesucker Nov 2012 #229

We must question our prejudices melody Nov 2012 #239

What part of "popular culture" do you fail to understand? Fumesucker Nov 2012 #240

Believe what you need to believe melody Nov 2012 #245

I'm rubber and you're glue your words bounce off me and stick to you.. Fumesucker Nov 2012 #247

I wasn't trying to be mature or logical -- simply concise and honest melody Nov 2012 #250

No, "American" is not an ethnicity. It's a nationality. They are not the same thing. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #227

An ethnic quality or affiliation resulting from racial or cultural ties melody Nov 2012 #238

Nope Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #242

My background is in cultural anthropology melody Nov 2012 #244

Congratulations Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #246

That's right, anthropoloogy and dictionaries are wrong ... you are right melody Nov 2012 #249

Show me an anthropologist who defines "American" as an ethnic group. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #254

In regard to Melody's point, It's a distinction without much of a difference whathehell Nov 2012 #257

Thank you once again n/t melody Nov 2012 #270

You're very welcome, Melody whathehell Nov 2012 #281

We don't have just one ethnicity melody Nov 2012 #261

Yep. whathehell Nov 2012 #283

Learn to read pls Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #319

You learn to read pls whathehell Nov 2012 #320

Brilliant elite? louslobbs Nov 2012 #155

GOP try to wisen up BlueinOhio Nov 2012 #157

The National Democrats/Sweden Democrats hold seats in their government lalalu Nov 2012 #200

You're correct, lalalu, but the drooling europhiles here will likely ignore that whathehell Nov 2012 #285

Yea, yea....dumb Americans.... paleotn Nov 2012 #208

I'm a danger to myself and others. Deep13 Nov 2012 #209

Damn Swiss!!! grantcart Nov 2012 #210

We should invade them billh58 Nov 2012 #291

Sweden is not Switzerland. MichaelMcGuire Nov 2012 #296

No, I meant Switzerland billh58 Nov 2012 #301

You mean Swedish. MichaelMcGuire Nov 2012 #297

It's like fishing. You put out a little bait and eventually one will bite. grantcart Nov 2012 #303

It's ok I'm allowed a slow day every once in a while. MichaelMcGuire Nov 2012 #321

no harm no foul, done it many times myself grantcart Nov 2012 #322

Flip side of idiotic emotionalism is rugged individuality. McCamy Taylor Nov 2012 #211

47.59% are dumb in my book bluemarkers Nov 2012 #212

And, what? You imagine that a majority of the rest of the world's populations are Brilliant? whathehell Nov 2012 #288

that's what you take away from my post? lol!! bluemarkers Nov 2012 #304

knr spanone Nov 2012 #213

We're probably all in the same boat.... Kind of a happy start to the season! defacto7 Nov 2012 #225

Hypocrites. leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 #226

Sweden: Pot calls kettle black lbrtbell Nov 2012 #228

"Dumb" is exactly the wrong word here. The right word is "ignorant." eridani Nov 2012 #231

Yes, and I'm sure there is no "ignorance" in Sweden where, as another poster pointed out whathehell Nov 2012 #265

I'm not understanding you. Are you saying that... CTyankee Nov 2012 #269

No. whathehell Nov 2012 #282

Here's the sense in which the article is true: Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #241

I just recently watched the Helen Mirren Prime Suspect series, from the early 90s valerief Nov 2012 #253

And they let Helen Mirren's character age, too Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #255

Is this your first and perhaps only experience with Euro TV?. whathehell Nov 2012 #287

Bwahahahaha! Well, I've been duly finger-wagged over an issue I really don't care about. valerief Nov 2012 #289

Oh, I'm sure you "really don't care about" it.. whathehell Nov 2012 #295

Wow, I didn't realize Euro TV was so damn important. Why it is, I don't know. valerief Nov 2012 #298

Apparently it was "important" enough whathehell Nov 2012 #299

My point about Prime Suspect being a good series? You don't think it was? nt valerief Nov 2012 #300

No, I think your point was that whathehell Nov 2012 #307

Wow, you must really feel guilty about finger-wagging me over such a petty issue. nt valerief Nov 2012 #311

Wow. How did you arrive at such a bizarrely erroneous conclusion? whathehell Nov 2012 #313

This message was self-deleted by its author valerief Nov 2012 #314

Well, it looks like the youngster has blocked me, but here's my message. valerief Nov 2012 #315

Wrong again...You didn't think it was "only tv" when you wrote a rather lengthy post whathehell Nov 2012 #317

No, Val...I haven't blocked. you. Check and see if you're sending your post to the right person. whathehell Nov 2012 #318

I never grow tired of *these* articles 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #248

I don't even have to click on your link to know what you said is true. It's axiomatic. randome Nov 2012 #293

Media propaganda upi402 Nov 2012 #271

No, wait, I am an American. Rex Nov 2012 #284

Sadly, I partially agree with this article... frostfern Nov 2012 #325