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stopdiggin

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14. The article makes a solid point in that free speech is a fundamental
Wed Dec 13, 2023, 01:57 PM
Dec 2023

principle - and should be defended vigorously. And that goes double for college campuses. Further, (I personally) found most of the attacks upon college administration to be grandstanding manipulation and theater of the right. (also not in small part opportunistic - in that the right has had universities in their political sights for a good deal longer than just this last controversy)

But - having gotten the above out of the way - some of the speech (and action) that is going on in our college campuses is also clearly (and purposefully) antisemitic - in no uncertain terms. This is also not at all new - but has just found a new 'agent' in the pro-Palestinian voices. (antisemitic fliers, harassment, Jewish symbols and sites vandalized and defaced) So, while I might call the latest congressional 'hearings' theater - I think it is entirely fair to pose the question of whether 'free speech' on college campus now encompasses virulent antisemitism, and calls for genocide? And how that might contrast with virulent speech against race, ethnicity, orientation or disability? Are standards of speech being equally applied? And,if not - what do you intend to do about it?

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Message auto-removed [View all] Name removed Dec 2023 OP
And their definition of "Justice for Palestine?" Eliminating of Israel question everything Dec 2023 #1
That would be your assumption of their definition... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #7
Did you ever think "Justice for Palestine" means "Please stop murdering us"? Maraya1969 Dec 2023 #50
No, it should have meant, in 2005, that Gazans had their chance to establish their own question everything Dec 2023 #68
It's interesting that they steal humanitarian aid on top of the cash from Israel redqueen Dec 2023 #72
Your claim is just not true. It is a fairy tale which continues to dehumanize Palestinians. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #90
These poor "Bullied" groups Got Suspended at Rutgers.. Cha Dec 2023 #63
B.S. Sky Jewels Dec 2023 #66
Yet the adore the far more regressive murderous, rapist, hyper theocrats? TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #70
Yeah, no. Sky Jewels Dec 2023 #78
I bet it is even billions of people through out the world. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #92
Sloppy rerun of McCarthyism won't shut people up. David__77 Dec 2023 #2
Bingo! Nicely put. Basic LA Dec 2023 #3
THIS malaise Dec 2023 #18
Indeed, in fact it will have the opposite effect. nt redqueen Dec 2023 #23
Wherein we've found the limits victimhood Sympthsical Dec 2023 #4
As the article clearly states... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #8
I actively reject the article's premise and selectivity Sympthsical Dec 2023 #10
You may be projecting. Think. Again. Dec 2023 #11
The article cites an AP article from October as evidence Sympthsical Dec 2023 #16
Your post that I am responding to was pretending... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #24
You're attempting a bait and switch Sympthsical Dec 2023 #29
The title of the OP... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #32
This is game playing Sympthsical Dec 2023 #37
Nailed it 🎯 Arazi Dec 2023 #26
And "civil disobedience" brings with it the idea that 1) you're breaking the law and 2) you'll be arrested. brooklynite Dec 2023 #81
and trespassing - after and against verbal warning stopdiggin Dec 2023 #17
the AP has 'discredited' in one particular incidence stopdiggin Dec 2023 #21
I agree... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #27
Would it be ok sarisataka Dec 2023 #5
No, it's ok for them to Harass Jewish Students and Teachers Cha Dec 2023 #13
It is very apparent that is true sarisataka Dec 2023 #25
Who is bullying them? Takket Dec 2023 #6
That seems true... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #9
Would this be bullying? Chakaconcarne Dec 2023 #12
no it would not. 'protest' has never provided immunity from sanctions stopdiggin Dec 2023 #15
The article makes a solid point in that free speech is a fundamental stopdiggin Dec 2023 #14
Thank you for clarifying... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #30
not really. the article is really aimed at the congressional hearing stopdiggin Dec 2023 #42
The article is clearly about... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #65
in one particular incidence stopdiggin Dec 2023 #85
Are you trying to imply... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #87
I'm not trying to IMPLY anything stopdiggin Dec 2023 #89
Some try to falsely paint almost any pushback against Israel's actions as antisemitic and/or pro Hamas. #facts Celerity Dec 2023 #45
I certainly haven't seen any lack of 'debate' (or opinion) on this subject stopdiggin Dec 2023 #88
"From the river to the sea" is a call for genocide. egduj Dec 2023 #19
Nonsense. David__77 Dec 2023 #20
Thank you for educating me, but could you be a little more precise? egduj Dec 2023 #22
If you really want to understand - it has definitely taken on a meaning that some believe means the elimination of Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #35
So Jews are over-reacting, too thin-skinned, and it's an "only words" type of thing? egduj Dec 2023 #41
Who said that? Did someone use the words thin-skinned. Over reacting? You are making something up Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #44
that is OTT projection, a blatant attempt to universalise a smear against anything you disagree with in regards to P/I Celerity Dec 2023 #49
The aims are exactly the same. Wipe out the Jews and TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #74
Absolutely ridiculous, legitimate criticism over such things as disproportionate response is not the same as Celerity Dec 2023 #82
Are we there yet? OilemFirchen Dec 2023 #43
well written (as well as long winded) stopdiggin Dec 2023 #56
If I concede your point then it holds true for Israel saying no Palestinian state deserves to exist as well Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #59
Nonsense. emulatorloo Dec 2023 #33
Like "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty"? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2023 #36
And recently tweeted my the Minister of Communications redqueen Dec 2023 #39
Was it a call for genocide when it was first used by Israeli Zionists? Celerity Dec 2023 #54
Is it also a call for genocide when used by rightwing Israeli politicians? Voltaire2 Dec 2023 #83
I say let the Hamas supporters bray all they want. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2023 #28
This OP is not about... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #31
Of course they're not mentioned. OilemFirchen Dec 2023 #38
I don't see anywhere Eko Dec 2023 #46
Huh? OilemFirchen Dec 2023 #48
Then to clairify Eko Dec 2023 #51
No. To ACTUALLY clarify... OilemFirchen Dec 2023 #53
Really? Eko Dec 2023 #57
You seem to be... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #64
I'll speak for myself, thank you. OilemFirchen Dec 2023 #71
Lol. "Hamas supporters." Nice try! Sky Jewels Dec 2023 #67
If it walks like a duck..... BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2023 #75
Do you have any idea how racist that is? Think. Again. Dec 2023 #77
I think a simple standard should be applied BannonsLiver Dec 2023 #34
I agree Eko Dec 2023 #47
I'm glad we're on the same page. BannonsLiver Dec 2023 #62
A most predictable opinion from Jeffery Sachs. madaboutharry Dec 2023 #40
I will not support the government working to ban peaceful protest based upon ideology, any ideology. Chainfire Dec 2023 #52
And it will - the groundwork has already started redqueen Dec 2023 #55
Jeffrey Sachs is a putin apologist who has Tomconroy Dec 2023 #58
NYTimes ran a similar piece today "Campus Speech Codes Should Be Abolished" LymphocyteLover Dec 2023 #60
These poor Fucking "Bullied" Groups Got Suspended Cha Dec 2023 #61
These soft ass chumps don't know what being bullied even is TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #69
They seem to be whiny fucks. nt LexVegas Dec 2023 #73
Fuck Stefanik and her fucking supporters. Autumn Dec 2023 #76
I agree! David__77 Dec 2023 #80
This. Voltaire2 Dec 2023 #84
The phrase "Bullying, " RIP...here it lies next to its cousin, "Trauma" Prairie Gates Dec 2023 #79
"Bullying" ... LOL. Boo-hoo. 😢😥😂 Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #86
Bullying? Bullshit. Let me tune my violin, it's the tiniest in the world. Jedi Guy Dec 2023 #91
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