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195. I spent years trying to find that way

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:15 PM

Nov 2012

I understand Canada's emigration laws better than I wish I did. I don't mean to be argumentative but my circumstances are actually unique. If my family would stop wrecking cars on a semi annual basis and my kid would stop requiring very expensive meds that are only partially covered by my insurance, we might well be able to move up there with a proof of a substantial nest egg.

Thanks for the pep talk. Interestingly enough, my family seems headed for splitsville, so this may well come up again. I've restarted my research.

I don't hate America. I just don't believe in what she stands for anymore. We have atrophied and no longer live under a living constitution. If it seemed like we might actually call a constitutional convention, I would put aside my personal dream to help my birth country. But I don't see that happening, do you?

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Are You Dumber than an American? [View all] unhappycamper Nov 2012 OP

despite the total lack of common sense and evidence? Flashmann Nov 2012 #1

The problem is ubiquitous even on DU. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #138

It's not satire and it's not funny AlbertCat Nov 2012 #152

maybe it's not funny to YOU- but a LOT of others seem to like it. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #177

I absolutely agree! ReRe Nov 2012 #164

Why can't you choose to simply not watch it and allow those that EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #272

Whew.... I hit a nerve... ReRe Nov 2012 #274

No, hardly. I'm just tolerant of other EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #276

I think you did use the word "petty", no? ReRe Nov 2012 #277

P.S. ReRe Nov 2012 #278

P.S.S. ReRe Nov 2012 #279

Welcome. You have a Happy Thanksgiving as well. EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #290

Oh, come on. I'm from the South and I find that hilarious. redgreenandblue Nov 2012 #292

what a stupid article. yeah, all americans are stupid except for "the brilliant elite". HiPointDem Nov 2012 #2

I think you misinterpreted the description. It isn't that the American elite are brilliant, rather Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #4

use of definite rather than indefinite article suggests otherwise. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #5

It is a translation done by a volunteer from Swedish. But if you want to get all freaked out by it, Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #10

well then all bets are off. do you read swedish? because all we have is the english HiPointDem Nov 2012 #12

I found the original DFW Nov 2012 #20

thank you. "av" is what is translated as "beside"? what are the various senses of "av"? HiPointDem Nov 2012 #27

"av" means "Of" Demeter Nov 2012 #46

google translates the sentence in question as: HiPointDem Nov 2012 #52

Point of the article demonstrated above. liberalmuse Nov 2012 #84

care to expound on what you find so stupid? or perhaps contribute your own summary? HiPointDem Nov 2012 #88

LoPointDem would be a better handle for you. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #139

unfortunately, i'm unable to respond in kind. some posters are allowed to HiPointDem Nov 2012 #218

be careful with google translate thesquanderer Nov 2012 #149

i appreciate dfw's translation, which clarified the passage. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #161

"European Sport". Really? All europeans do this? Lars77 Nov 2012 #72

about as many as there are stupid americans... HiPointDem Nov 2012 #97

70 years ago now treestar Nov 2012 #96

28 million dead Russians may disagree with your post. go west young man Nov 2012 #187

The thing about accusing people who criticise you of having sibelian Nov 2012 #263

I married a Swede Demeter Nov 2012 #275

Swedish is very easy for an English-speaking person to learn DFW Nov 2012 #111

thank you. i appreciate the discussion of the individual words. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #117

Nice post!! I just saw it after posting my own attempt at translation through German. n/t xocet Nov 2012 #123

Greetings...(now to the "I'm not an expert, but I play one on the internet"-segment of the thread) xocet Nov 2012 #121

See my dissection above (post 111) DFW Nov 2012 #134

Thanks. xocet Nov 2012 #159

There are a LOT of similarities in the basics of German and Swedish DFW Nov 2012 #162

That is really cool. I need to check out Swedish grammar. xocet Nov 2012 #173

Have I ever been to Belgium? DFW Nov 2012 #179

You must have a very interesting existence - I won't ask what you do.... xocet Nov 2012 #217

The S�chsisch dialect is from the area of Leipzig. defacto7 Nov 2012 #223

just for a note defacto7 Nov 2012 #224

"S�chsisch" just means "Saxon" DFW Nov 2012 #260

I deal with Americans every day. It's rare to find one that can speak in complete sentences Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #35

what "we do as a nation" has nothing to do with the intelligence of individual HiPointDem Nov 2012 #42

You didn't even read it, did you? Enjoy your outrage. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #43

your post? i read every word. i'm not outraged. you appear to be the outraged HiPointDem Nov 2012 #45

I thought this paragraph made a good point. Fumesucker Nov 2012 #47

i think it's pretty easy not to to so. i think israel, as a nation, does plenty of shitty HiPointDem Nov 2012 #57

Which one of those nations has a military equal to the rest of the planet combined? Fumesucker Nov 2012 #59

none, but that seems to me irrelevant. or perhaps relevant in this way: if they did, HiPointDem Nov 2012 #60

And because most hegemons have acted that way it's not amazingly dumbass? Fumesucker Nov 2012 #66

how many other places have you lived? it's not that different from anywhere else. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #68

Try not paying attention to that stuff and then having social conversation with people Fumesucker Nov 2012 #73

i haven't found it such a terrible minefield if i discuss rather than lecture (contrary HiPointDem Nov 2012 #80

More listening, less lecturing. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #140

yes. as i acknowledge. du is not real life. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #143

Or try not watching television and carrying on a conversation with the majority Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #178

Yeah, that was my point Fumesucker Nov 2012 #183

You got me. I skipped over a lot of the rant. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #185

That is absurd. grantcart Nov 2012 #294

i've heard the "only in..." line from people from every country that i've met. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #302

"Only in America" refers to a Horatio Alger type rags-to-riches story. Not generosity. Romulox Nov 2012 #309

Are you including yourself and your family in your stereotype? lalalu Nov 2012 #87

none of the people on this thread are the dumb ones, of course. the dumb ones HiPointDem Nov 2012 #99

I just find it interesting that lalalu Nov 2012 #100

If only you could see how far off the mark you are Fumesucker Nov 2012 #141

Myself, no. Most of my family, most definitely. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #175

No exceptions, this is stereotyping all Americans. lalalu Nov 2012 #191

Nice try, but this pathetic attempt to re-write what was written to suit your defense will not fly. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #194

You reread. lalalu Nov 2012 #197

And another fail from the outraged illiterate. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #199

When you can't defend your position then personal attacks are all you have. lalalu Nov 2012 #202

I provided the evidentiary quotation in the reply. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #221

How ironic that you are the one behaving like a dumb American. lalalu Nov 2012 #234

I know you are, but what am I? Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #235

I just told you what you are. lalalu Nov 2012 #236

I know you are, but what am I? Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #237

It's "rare" to find an American who can speak in complete sentences? What does that say about cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #215

do you read swedish AlbertCat Nov 2012 #153

hardly. it's a function of location and economics, nothing to do with intelligence. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #158

Swedish is tricky with its articles DFW Nov 2012 #14

Here you are. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #36

The Scand. languages have also conveniently simplified verb conjugations Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #124

Verbs are a joy for sure, no conjugation at all DFW Nov 2012 #136

I was gonna mention the subjunctive Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #151

Oh, yeah. DFW Nov 2012 #156

I was sorta aware of �at. Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #165

If you can really read the runes, kudos DFW Nov 2012 #168

I wrote this: Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #169

OK, now I'm REALLY impressed! DFW Nov 2012 #171

Making their point indeed! elleng Nov 2012 #145

Brilliant people are not necessarily FlaGranny Nov 2012 #17

My reply was badly worded, or at least not specific enough. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #41

What exactly are you pissed about?.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #15

i'm not pissed. i think the article's stupid, at least the title & excerpt i read in HiPointDem Nov 2012 #49

I too have lived and billh58 Nov 2012 #69

i understand where it comes from as well. it comes from selective media reports, HiPointDem Nov 2012 #76

Right you are brush Nov 2012 #83

Exactly lalalu Nov 2012 #98

That is not what was said. gcomeau Nov 2012 #110

You may be right. However, in which country is it that average citizens don't HiPointDem Nov 2012 #119

None of them. Not the point at all. gcomeau Nov 2012 #132

sweden 1st ventured into neoliberalization decades ago, and not just in ed. not something new, e.g. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #160

You quibble and miss the big picture: Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #144

Martin Bashir has a commercial where he basically says: Whisp Nov 2012 #252

smug and stupid article. cali Nov 2012 #3

She said in a sweeping generalization Fumesucker Nov 2012 #21

really? so you actually think that sweeping generalizations are an intelligent way cali Nov 2012 #25

And Palestinians are violent Fumesucker Nov 2012 #31

Really? I don't see Cali making that assertion & I don't see her name on the link you provided. whathehell Nov 2012 #89

The link I provided was to a DUer calling Palestinians "naturally violent" Fumesucker Nov 2012 #91

Um, yeah, whatever. whathehell Nov 2012 #127

I had it to start with and I think you're wrong Fumesucker Nov 2012 #128

I think not, and even if what you say about Cali is true, whathehell Nov 2012 #189

Example of sweeping generalization by cali Fumesucker Nov 2012 #324

"rarely" is a qualifier. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #29

It's still a sweeping generalization Fumesucker Nov 2012 #33

however, it has the merit of truth value. which the propositon that americans are HiPointDem Nov 2012 #37

I just find it humorous that cali of all people denounces sweeping generalizations Fumesucker Nov 2012 #44

hmm. you may have a point there. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #50

+1. Ironically, it's one of those OPs that sufrommich Nov 2012 #40

LOL. whathehell Nov 2012 #81

Agree 100% lalalu Nov 2012 #203

Television, the drug of the nation. Breeding ignorance, fear, and anti-intellectualism. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #6

Yep. No country in the world has the superior marketing strategies of the U.S. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #63

and I guess no other country in the world has television either. whathehell Nov 2012 #82

And you guessed wrong. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #104

Oh my. I guess I should remember that sarcasm thingy. whathehell Nov 2012 #109

they have it, but they never watch it. well, not very much. oh wait - HiPointDem Nov 2012 #106

have you seen commercials in other countries? they do just fine. they have all the HiPointDem Nov 2012 #103

Yes, actually I *have* seen commercials in the other countries of the world. Lived in some of. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #108

there may be a real journalism still alive in europe, i actually don't know. but the right HiPointDem Nov 2012 #113

Wage slaves in Europe BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #122

.... HiPointDem Nov 2012 #163

There's a difference between Guest Workers and your average German employee. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #251

Love the Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy reference. nt OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #135

There aren't many of us that recognize that, although since LCD displays have become nearly Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #174

I've got the four song EP/maxi single OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #182

I'm thinking of Theodore White's first book: ewagner Nov 2012 #7

+1 nt laundry_queen Nov 2012 #8

Indeed we have become consumers instead of citizens. mountain grammy Nov 2012 #107

I was hoping this was a TV show. -nt- DireStrike Nov 2012 #9

LOL! +1 Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #11

No, because I grew up in Massachusetts, or as the Tea Party calls it "The most liberal Country in pam4water Nov 2012 #13

DURec x2 vancouverite Nov 2012 #16

I love this country. brokechris Nov 2012 #18

Re: Palin--the "exist" wasn't meant to be taken literally DFW Nov 2012 #133

I didn't know you wrote the article brokechris Nov 2012 #180

I didn't know you read Swedish DFW Nov 2012 #216

I'm actually much smarter than the average American tavalon Nov 2012 #19

if you long to be a Canadian brokechris Nov 2012 #23

Because I'm poly with an autistic child tavalon Nov 2012 #30

if they want you and you can brokechris Nov 2012 #39

I spent years trying to find that way tavalon Nov 2012 #195

"poly" = ? Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #146

While it's currently going to hell in a handbasket, tavalon Nov 2012 #192

Ah, thanks. Know of polyamory; please use the word not the abbreviation except in contexts Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #230

Yeah, you're right tavalon Nov 2012 #232

Vancouver is wonderful... BobTheSubgenius Nov 2012 #222

Currently living in one of the most expensive places in the US tavalon Nov 2012 #233

If they don't want your family, why would you want to move there? Dr. Strange Nov 2012 #258

discussion groups are poor places to explain the intricacies of a situation such as mine. tavalon Nov 2012 #267

.Well, thanks for telling us that, Tav, especially since it's not especially apparent. whathehell Nov 2012 #105

Please... for the love of all that is good and just... be joking. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #118

Yes, I had hoped for the same whathehell Nov 2012 #126

Vancouver specifically tavalon Nov 2012 #196

I doubt that will be far enough. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #205

Does my expressing an opinion offend you in some way? tavalon Nov 2012 #207

Well, I guess it depends on how you express it, now doesn't it? ElboRuum Nov 2012 #243

Did you not get the part where it's merely a pipe dream and not going to happen? tavalon Nov 2012 #268

"Pipe" dream. Ah, clever... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #280

Well, you are bright if not kind. tavalon Nov 2012 #308

I've found that people who talk like that, Union Scribe Nov 2012 #214

+ 10 whathehell Nov 2012 #316

Home schooling BlueinOhio Nov 2012 #22

You said it, and you said it well! mountain grammy Nov 2012 #92

As long as our News Media is allowed to oldbanjo Nov 2012 #24

no more so than any other nation. you have the educated and uneducated. the curious, seabeyond Nov 2012 #26

yep. no difference. i heard palinesque stuff 30 years ago from a pair of canadians HiPointDem Nov 2012 #32

Oh, so now you think anecdotal evidence proves sweeping generalizations. Logic much? Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #147

not at all. where did i say such a thing? but you know, there's a logical gap from "half the HiPointDem Nov 2012 #172

The half that voted for Romney sure do drag the average down severely. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #176

Thank you. Like many others here, I get very tired of the obligatory Five Minutes of Self Hate. whathehell Nov 2012 #193

Appealing to America's ignorance and gullibility The Wizard Nov 2012 #28

yep. most of the memes come from the "brilliant elite" themselves, and are used HiPointDem Nov 2012 #34

Fundamentalist Christians BlueinOhio Nov 2012 #38

I've tried to make it through watching Idiocracy, but never have, one of my failings in RKP5637 Nov 2012 #54

A barely mediocre comedy staring Luke Wilson. Dash87 Nov 2012 #181

You're right, as a comedic film it is awful. But, as a social commentary, and possible Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #186

Perhaps Ms. Thug . whathehell Nov 2012 #286

None taken, and I have always, on occasion, enjoyed a little pain. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #305

So you're a masochist? whathehell Nov 2012 #306

Hey, I'm a really left liberal, intellectual, and a member of DU. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #312

Hmm... davidthegnome Nov 2012 #48

Years before my wife and I got together chemenger Nov 2012 #51

you know something? brokechris Nov 2012 #55

"Stupid and self-centered"? whathehell Nov 2012 #125

I can't disagree with anything you've stated in your response, however chemenger Nov 2012 #129

I find most of humanity pretty stupid, so I don't think America has the only leading role when RKP5637 Nov 2012 #53

+1000000 It's not an American issue... dionysus Nov 2012 #204

Ah, yes, the sensible Swedes, for whom child porn was legal until 1999. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #56

To paraphrase George Carlin. . . . ncgrits Nov 2012 #58

and where do you stand in this hierarchy of smartness? as you are standing back HiPointDem Nov 2012 #65

HA! I would like to think that I am in the top 1/2, but doing so probably qualifies me ncgrits Nov 2012 #130

Forgive me Arcanetrance Nov 2012 #61

No "forgiveness" needed whathehell Nov 2012 #190

For all the consternation the Swedish author is causing in this thread, I have to get a CTyankee Nov 2012 #62

The author makes a very smart point. Barack_America Nov 2012 #74

I thought so too. I just can't understand the utter outrage here about what she wrote in this CTyankee Nov 2012 #77

If she had inserted "conservative" in the title we'd all be applauding this. Barack_America Nov 2012 #79

I tuned in on precisely that vibe from her. CTyankee Nov 2012 #86

Rather than ask "where to begin", you might want to aks "Where to end". whathehell Nov 2012 #259

It's great that we have elected a person of color to President, yes and good for us! CTyankee Nov 2012 #262

Yes, it is and of course I know that it's not "everything", and as a progressive democrat whathehell Nov 2012 #264

I feel that we are "evolving" on the social programs faster than we have on the CTyankee Nov 2012 #266

People vote where they think they're given an actual choice Fumesucker Nov 2012 #273

that observation gripped me too. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2012 #154

What many under a certain age don't realize is that this idiocy, this "rejection of science", etc. whathehell Nov 2012 #310

Very true treestar Nov 2012 #101

Stupid people do the bidding of the plutocrats. Barack_America Nov 2012 #114

Oh, that apocalyptic dialect, really gets me ElboRuum Nov 2012 #142

lol. yeah, it's all those stupid people serving as worker bees and managerial personnel in the HiPointDem Nov 2012 #170

You might consider reading the post I was responding to... Barack_America Nov 2012 #184

+1000 noiretextatique Nov 2012 #167

I was wondering why the Frisbee was getting bigger. aandegoons Nov 2012 #64

LOL RKP5637 Nov 2012 #67

Stupid sells. Barack_America Nov 2012 #70

Only in America is the film Idiocracy not considered a satire. nt valerief Nov 2012 #71

Americans aren't "stupid" Liberal1975 Nov 2012 #75

i agree with the general thrust but i'd just like to say that america never scored HiPointDem Nov 2012 #102

Thanks Liberal1975 Nov 2012 #120

"I stand by my theory that we are much more disillusioned than stupid." I agree. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #166

US became most powerful economy in large part by attracting highly educated intelligent immigrants. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #148

Interesting discussion, lots of defensiveness. Maineman Nov 2012 #78

Lighten up! denvine Nov 2012 #85

Margaret Thatcher, Sarkozy, soccer riots, Greek rightwing extremists, lalalu Nov 2012 #90

Thank you. Although I've learned to expect a lot of knee-jerk anti-Americanism whathehell Nov 2012 #323

It is due to our misguided belief that disputation and argument lead to the truth FarCenter Nov 2012 #93

Funny... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #115

Customers rather than citizens treestar Nov 2012 #94

We are ... (both) Maineman Nov 2012 #95

Oh, dear. More of this shit... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #112

Maybe you missed this valerief Nov 2012 #131

Quite amusing that... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #137

... Fumesucker Nov 2012 #188

Always enjoyed that one... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #201

I guess it's a good thing we don't have a democracy then....... Burma Jones Nov 2012 #116

If you make one ethnic slur, you are embracing and tolerating ALL ethnic slurs melody Nov 2012 #150

Correct, and the dummies eagerly embracing this self-hate shit sandwich would be excoriating whathehell Nov 2012 #198

Exactly, well said. melody Nov 2012 #220

Thank you. n/t whathehell Nov 2012 #256

I'm allowed to point out the flaws of my own ethnicity Fumesucker Nov 2012 #206

You're still a bigot melody Nov 2012 #219

Aww, I love you too Fumesucker Nov 2012 #229

We must question our prejudices melody Nov 2012 #239

What part of "popular culture" do you fail to understand? Fumesucker Nov 2012 #240

Believe what you need to believe melody Nov 2012 #245

I'm rubber and you're glue your words bounce off me and stick to you.. Fumesucker Nov 2012 #247

I wasn't trying to be mature or logical -- simply concise and honest melody Nov 2012 #250

No, "American" is not an ethnicity. It's a nationality. They are not the same thing. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #227

An ethnic quality or affiliation resulting from racial or cultural ties melody Nov 2012 #238

Nope Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #242

My background is in cultural anthropology melody Nov 2012 #244

Congratulations Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #246

That's right, anthropoloogy and dictionaries are wrong ... you are right melody Nov 2012 #249

Show me an anthropologist who defines "American" as an ethnic group. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #254

In regard to Melody's point, It's a distinction without much of a difference whathehell Nov 2012 #257

Thank you once again n/t melody Nov 2012 #270

You're very welcome, Melody whathehell Nov 2012 #281

We don't have just one ethnicity melody Nov 2012 #261

Yep. whathehell Nov 2012 #283

Learn to read pls Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #319

You learn to read pls whathehell Nov 2012 #320

Brilliant elite? louslobbs Nov 2012 #155

GOP try to wisen up BlueinOhio Nov 2012 #157

The National Democrats/Sweden Democrats hold seats in their government lalalu Nov 2012 #200

You're correct, lalalu, but the drooling europhiles here will likely ignore that whathehell Nov 2012 #285

Yea, yea....dumb Americans.... paleotn Nov 2012 #208

I'm a danger to myself and others. Deep13 Nov 2012 #209

Damn Swiss!!! grantcart Nov 2012 #210

We should invade them billh58 Nov 2012 #291

Sweden is not Switzerland. MichaelMcGuire Nov 2012 #296

No, I meant Switzerland billh58 Nov 2012 #301

You mean Swedish. MichaelMcGuire Nov 2012 #297

It's like fishing. You put out a little bait and eventually one will bite. grantcart Nov 2012 #303

It's ok I'm allowed a slow day every once in a while. MichaelMcGuire Nov 2012 #321

no harm no foul, done it many times myself grantcart Nov 2012 #322

Flip side of idiotic emotionalism is rugged individuality. McCamy Taylor Nov 2012 #211

47.59% are dumb in my book bluemarkers Nov 2012 #212

And, what? You imagine that a majority of the rest of the world's populations are Brilliant? whathehell Nov 2012 #288

that's what you take away from my post? lol!! bluemarkers Nov 2012 #304

knr spanone Nov 2012 #213

We're probably all in the same boat.... Kind of a happy start to the season! defacto7 Nov 2012 #225

Hypocrites. leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 #226

Sweden: Pot calls kettle black lbrtbell Nov 2012 #228

"Dumb" is exactly the wrong word here. The right word is "ignorant." eridani Nov 2012 #231

Yes, and I'm sure there is no "ignorance" in Sweden where, as another poster pointed out whathehell Nov 2012 #265

I'm not understanding you. Are you saying that... CTyankee Nov 2012 #269

No. whathehell Nov 2012 #282

Here's the sense in which the article is true: Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #241

I just recently watched the Helen Mirren Prime Suspect series, from the early 90s valerief Nov 2012 #253

And they let Helen Mirren's character age, too Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #255

Is this your first and perhaps only experience with Euro TV?. whathehell Nov 2012 #287

Bwahahahaha! Well, I've been duly finger-wagged over an issue I really don't care about. valerief Nov 2012 #289

Oh, I'm sure you "really don't care about" it.. whathehell Nov 2012 #295

Wow, I didn't realize Euro TV was so damn important. Why it is, I don't know. valerief Nov 2012 #298

Apparently it was "important" enough whathehell Nov 2012 #299

My point about Prime Suspect being a good series? You don't think it was? nt valerief Nov 2012 #300

No, I think your point was that whathehell Nov 2012 #307

Wow, you must really feel guilty about finger-wagging me over such a petty issue. nt valerief Nov 2012 #311

Wow. How did you arrive at such a bizarrely erroneous conclusion? whathehell Nov 2012 #313

This message was self-deleted by its author valerief Nov 2012 #314

Well, it looks like the youngster has blocked me, but here's my message. valerief Nov 2012 #315

Wrong again...You didn't think it was "only tv" when you wrote a rather lengthy post whathehell Nov 2012 #317

No, Val...I haven't blocked. you. Check and see if you're sending your post to the right person. whathehell Nov 2012 #318

I never grow tired of *these* articles 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #248

I don't even have to click on your link to know what you said is true. It's axiomatic. randome Nov 2012 #293

Media propaganda upi402 Nov 2012 #271

No, wait, I am an American. Rex Nov 2012 #284

Sadly, I partially agree with this article... frostfern Nov 2012 #325