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DemocraticPatriot

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105. But of course, most of the Russian soldiers in Ukraine DON'T believe

Wed Dec 27, 2023, 10:36 PM

Dec 2023

in Putin's cause.....

Quite right.

However, soldiers mostly just go where they are sent and do what they are ordered to do,
other than the exception who refuse to do so......

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If you think civilians should die to spare soldiers lives. [View all] Eko Dec 2023 OP

Very simplistic NoRethugFriends Dec 2023 #1

Some things are. Eko Dec 2023 #2

Its all good though. Eko Dec 2023 #4

decisions made in very real time while lead is in the air rampartc Dec 2023 #45

You're being kind. Abolishinist Dec 2023 #5

Then by all means, be unkind. Eko Dec 2023 #11

Sure. Let's start with this extremely profound statement... Abolishinist Dec 2023 #31

Yeah, Eko Dec 2023 #33

Of course. The Russian soldiers in Ukraine are dying for Abolishinist Dec 2023 #36

As opposed to killing a lot of civilians? Eko Dec 2023 #39

How is a conscripted soldier any different than a civilian when it comes to war? Abolishinist Dec 2023 #41

All Israelis are conscripts Arazi Dec 2023 #47

They should refuse to obey unlawful orders. Lunabell Dec 2023 #132

And which recent war didn't kill a lot of civilians? EX500rider Dec 2023 #82

But of course, most of the Russian soldiers in Ukraine DON'T believe DemocraticPatriot Dec 2023 #105

If you're going to challenge the form but not answer the question, then... CoopersDad Dec 2023 #145

I don't know, do you think should have dropped the atomic bombs bottomofthehill Dec 2023 #3

I dont think so. At the least we could have dropped them outside of cities to show our strength. Eko Dec 2023 #7

Wars are like that. Full of messy decisions Arazi Dec 2023 #14

Maybe because its not 1945? Eko Dec 2023 #16

I don't hear any global condemnation for other wars happening now Arazi Dec 2023 #18

So your question is a what about? Eko Dec 2023 #21

Post removed Post removed Dec 2023 #26

You are still doing a whataboutism. Eko Dec 2023 #32

We provide KSA almost all of their weapons Arazi Dec 2023 #35

We supply Israel with 92% of their arms. Eko Dec 2023 #40

We supply 92% of their weapons IMPORTS only Arazi Dec 2023 #44

Then, they don't need billions from the US Bettie Dec 2023 #78

They do fund their own military Arazi Dec 2023 #79

Ultimately, they Bettie Dec 2023 #98

To your last point: RandomNumbers Dec 2023 #74

Exactly. Cui bono? 🎯 Arazi Dec 2023 #75

Perhaps you have forgotten about the Balkans wars in the 90s Redleg Dec 2023 #70

Thank you. Good points and agreed Arazi Dec 2023 #71

Thank you for mentioning a truth and reconciliation commission. AloeVera Dec 2023 #94

Whataboutism was never intended as an all purpose TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #80

Don't forget Russia. This is their second attempt at wiping Ukrainians off the face of the Earth Hekate Dec 2023 #101

Nope it's not... but... Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #125

Apparently Syria, Yemen, Ukraine, Myanmar, Sudan, Ethiopia etc aren't a problem EX500rider Dec 2023 #83

Yes, exactly. Why single out Israel? Arazi Dec 2023 #86

Probably because those other situations aren't on the news day in and out ecstatic Dec 2023 #99

+ A Million!!! AloeVera Dec 2023 #102

" taking away all protections from civilians by virtue of their supposed close proximity to Hamas fighters." EX500rider Dec 2023 #111

What part of Hamas using human shields is bullshit? TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #116

Pretty sure I had a lot of condemnation on my own country when we attacked Iraq. Eko Dec 2023 #138

Not correct: yagotme Dec 2023 #136

I will revise that to say that some in the military were already talking about surrendering. Eko Dec 2023 #137

But most of the top leaders weren't. yagotme Jan 2024 #149

No, I don't obamanut2012 Jan 2024 #150

The Hamas soldiers who killed Israeli civilians would probably agree. dgauss Dec 2023 #6

And they are the standard that we should use? Eko Dec 2023 #8

No, but what standard should be used? TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #81

The standard should be... Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #126

There is also the issue of why anyone should believe an institution whose RockRaven Dec 2023 #9

Bam. Eko Dec 2023 #12

Maybe if you locked arms and sang "Give Peace A Chance" we could have it. BannonsLiver Dec 2023 #68

Thank you, RockRaven! X1000000000 onecaliberal Dec 2023 #76

What is your opinion on the bombing of German & Japanese cities? Kaleva Dec 2023 #10

That's a good question. Eko Dec 2023 #15

Cities were specifically targeted Kaleva Dec 2023 #20

Because our bombers sucked. Eko Dec 2023 #22

Would you have opposed the bombing of cities? Kaleva Dec 2023 #30

Then? Yes. Eko Dec 2023 #34

Dresden was not destroyed due to inaccuracies. tazkcmo Dec 2023 #49

The targeting of entire cities is expected in a total war. sir pball Dec 2023 #72

You disregard the insane asymmetry of military capabilities. AloeVera Dec 2023 #100

Those asymmetries are real and were known to Hamas before 10/7 attack. CincyDem Jan 2024 #157

True enough. AloeVera Jan 2024 #159

Yep... CincyDem Jan 2024 #162

Well, I've been called a few things... but LOL "toddler-herder"? I like it! AloeVera Jan 2024 #164

May that be the worst thing you're called for a while. Later... n/t CincyDem Jan 2024 #165

Our bombers deliberately dropped incendaries on Tokyo, Dresen, Hamburg etc etc Swede Dec 2023 #73

On Many Japanese Cities ProfessorGAC Dec 2023 #139

You assume... wrongly... Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #127

That is one very lucky mom, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #128

I never said the civilians wern't targeted in WW2. Eko Dec 2023 #134

Me? claudette Dec 2023 #48

The Mongols killed about 40 million Kaleva Dec 2023 #55

And? claudette Dec 2023 #57

The bombing of city centers was wrong in WWII, and it does not excuse the process going on in Gaza today. Chainfire Dec 2023 #64

Until the final months of the war...Correct. TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #117

War crimes, as was the Blitz obamanut2012 Jan 2024 #151

Winners decide what constitutes a crime Kaleva Jan 2024 #158

Hamas thinks that. They're using human shields to protect themselves Arazi Dec 2023 #13

Good for you. Eko Dec 2023 #17

It's your point dude. Not mine Arazi Dec 2023 #19

So you are saying not to kill the civilians around them? Eko Dec 2023 #24

Pretty sure everyone on DU is against that Arazi Dec 2023 #28

Yes they do. Eko Dec 2023 #37

Weird how nobody's asking how many dead civilians is too many Arazi Dec 2023 #42

how do you know it never triggered me? Eko Dec 2023 #43

Did a search and didn't see any posts from you about it Arazi Dec 2023 #46

Thank you for all your comments. betsuni Dec 2023 #53

So... 2naSalit Dec 2023 #56

No, one must keep silent about it. Unless it's Israel. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #58

Yes that's the point. Only Israel gets this outrage Arazi Dec 2023 #62

"This" being destroying the capacity for more attacks? TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #66

No military is obligated to sacrifice the lives of its own troops to protect civilians. Jedi Guy Dec 2023 #23

Countries are though. Eko Dec 2023 #25

Yeah, Russia is known for not giving a shit about their own troops. Jedi Guy Dec 2023 #27

As if Russia is the only military to Eko Dec 2023 #38

Then who does? edhopper Dec 2023 #52

When did Russia ever try and do that? EX500rider Dec 2023 #113

WTF are you talking about? Which theater? OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2023 #29

That was our approach in Iraq SarahD Dec 2023 #50

Nice straw man. NT Patton French Dec 2023 #51

It's not even that nice. BannonsLiver Dec 2023 #67

Serious question. Do you view the fire bombing of Tokyo or the atomic bombs consistently with that? lostnfound Dec 2023 #54

Speaking of not knowing what things mean: Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #59

Can you clarify please? AloeVera Dec 2023 #104

I can only clarify what I understand from your post. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #112

You are unclear because your understanding of the articles is not correct. AloeVera Dec 2023 #115

I am not sure how clear your understanding of the Articles is. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #121

Article 28 first AloeVera Dec 2023 #122

No, you are not making yourself any clearer. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #135

I made myself clear, you just won't admit you were wrong. AloeVera Dec 2023 #141

Do you admit you were wrong when you said this about Article 28?: Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #142

We're through. AloeVera Dec 2023 #143

I know. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #144

Soldiers Do Not Think Their Civilian Fellow Citizens Lives Should Be Lost To Preserve Their Own The Magistrate Dec 2023 #60

30,000 American mothers and wives in 1945 might disagree with you. n/t Whiskeytide Dec 2023 #61

Post removed Post removed Dec 2023 #77

Of course not sarisataka Dec 2023 #63

Let me hypothesize here, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #65

The human shields excuse for the destruction is bullshit. AloeVera Dec 2023 #110

Great, but that wasn't the gist of my post. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #118

Sure, I can answer your hypothetical. AloeVera Dec 2023 #123

Thank you for the honest answer, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #124

Thank you! AloeVera Dec 2023 #129

I disagree, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #131

It's not a black and white issue, rather of degrees. David__77 Dec 2023 #69

Soldiers are people too ripcord Dec 2023 #84

Thanks for letting me know. Eko Dec 2023 #91

You seemed a little confused like they are worth less than civilians ripcord Dec 2023 #92

Written like someone that doesn't have a son or RubyRose Dec 2023 #85

Seeing as how I have been advocating for the US to go in Eko Dec 2023 #89

Gotta love how folks here assume they know your life. onecaliberal Jan 2024 #152

Yup. Eko Jan 2024 #161

So it is okay for Hamas to use civilians as human shields? LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #87

Hmmmm, Eko Dec 2023 #88

Really? The civilian deaths you discuss are due in large part to Hamas' use of human shields LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #95

And it take 2000 lb dumb bombs to overcome the using of human shields? Eko Dec 2023 #96

Exactly. AloeVera Dec 2023 #107

Yup. Eko Dec 2023 #108

More. Eko Dec 2023 #97

There are very deep tunnels that the IDF had to deal with LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #114

International law states that makes NO difference obamanut2012 Jan 2024 #153

Putin is a rat face. gulliver Dec 2023 #90

Sounds really serious. Torchlight Dec 2023 #93

Noted that you refuse to answer a ? put forth to you? MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #103

Not at all. I have answered this question from you before. Eko Dec 2023 #106

Thanks for this honest answer, that's hard to get here lately. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #119

No prob ya old sapper. Eko Dec 2023 #147

Also, is this scenario one that happens often? Eko Dec 2023 #109

See post #119. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #120

War is hell. The Grand Illuminist Dec 2023 #130

In what contest are civilians being killed to protect soldiers? brooklynite Dec 2023 #133

Reminder: Israel is blowing Gaza to rubble in order to minimize face-to-face urban PufPuf23 Dec 2023 #140

Soldiers put themselves at risk to protect civilians... Captain Stern Dec 2023 #146

"It's Hamas's duty to protect their civilians" JI7 Dec 2023 #148

No election in 17 years, how exactly is Hamas their leaders? We better hope america isn't held accountable for what onecaliberal Jan 2024 #154

Who's making decisions? Who's giving the orders? Who runs the military? yagotme Jan 2024 #155

French civilians died during the bombing campaign in the lead-up to D-Day. thucythucy Jan 2024 #156

That is a great question. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #160

This was exactly the conclusion reached by FDR. thucythucy Jan 2024 #163