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128. That is one very lucky mom,

Reply to Happy Hoosier (Reply #127)

Thu Dec 28, 2023, 04:09 PM

Dec 2023

its the reason you're here now.

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If you think civilians should die to spare soldiers lives. [View all] Eko Dec 2023 OP

Very simplistic NoRethugFriends Dec 2023 #1

Some things are. Eko Dec 2023 #2

Its all good though. Eko Dec 2023 #4

decisions made in very real time while lead is in the air rampartc Dec 2023 #45

You're being kind. Abolishinist Dec 2023 #5

Then by all means, be unkind. Eko Dec 2023 #11

Sure. Let's start with this extremely profound statement... Abolishinist Dec 2023 #31

Yeah, Eko Dec 2023 #33

Of course. The Russian soldiers in Ukraine are dying for Abolishinist Dec 2023 #36

As opposed to killing a lot of civilians? Eko Dec 2023 #39

How is a conscripted soldier any different than a civilian when it comes to war? Abolishinist Dec 2023 #41

All Israelis are conscripts Arazi Dec 2023 #47

They should refuse to obey unlawful orders. Lunabell Dec 2023 #132

And which recent war didn't kill a lot of civilians? EX500rider Dec 2023 #82

But of course, most of the Russian soldiers in Ukraine DON'T believe DemocraticPatriot Dec 2023 #105

If you're going to challenge the form but not answer the question, then... CoopersDad Dec 2023 #145

I don't know, do you think should have dropped the atomic bombs bottomofthehill Dec 2023 #3

I dont think so. At the least we could have dropped them outside of cities to show our strength. Eko Dec 2023 #7

Wars are like that. Full of messy decisions Arazi Dec 2023 #14

Maybe because its not 1945? Eko Dec 2023 #16

I don't hear any global condemnation for other wars happening now Arazi Dec 2023 #18

So your question is a what about? Eko Dec 2023 #21

Post removed Post removed Dec 2023 #26

You are still doing a whataboutism. Eko Dec 2023 #32

We provide KSA almost all of their weapons Arazi Dec 2023 #35

We supply Israel with 92% of their arms. Eko Dec 2023 #40

We supply 92% of their weapons IMPORTS only Arazi Dec 2023 #44

Then, they don't need billions from the US Bettie Dec 2023 #78

They do fund their own military Arazi Dec 2023 #79

Ultimately, they Bettie Dec 2023 #98

To your last point: RandomNumbers Dec 2023 #74

Exactly. Cui bono? 🎯 Arazi Dec 2023 #75

Perhaps you have forgotten about the Balkans wars in the 90s Redleg Dec 2023 #70

Thank you. Good points and agreed Arazi Dec 2023 #71

Thank you for mentioning a truth and reconciliation commission. AloeVera Dec 2023 #94

Whataboutism was never intended as an all purpose TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #80

Don't forget Russia. This is their second attempt at wiping Ukrainians off the face of the Earth Hekate Dec 2023 #101

Nope it's not... but... Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #125

Apparently Syria, Yemen, Ukraine, Myanmar, Sudan, Ethiopia etc aren't a problem EX500rider Dec 2023 #83

Yes, exactly. Why single out Israel? Arazi Dec 2023 #86

Probably because those other situations aren't on the news day in and out ecstatic Dec 2023 #99

+ A Million!!! AloeVera Dec 2023 #102

" taking away all protections from civilians by virtue of their supposed close proximity to Hamas fighters." EX500rider Dec 2023 #111

What part of Hamas using human shields is bullshit? TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #116

Pretty sure I had a lot of condemnation on my own country when we attacked Iraq. Eko Dec 2023 #138

Not correct: yagotme Dec 2023 #136

I will revise that to say that some in the military were already talking about surrendering. Eko Dec 2023 #137

But most of the top leaders weren't. yagotme Jan 2024 #149

No, I don't obamanut2012 Jan 2024 #150

The Hamas soldiers who killed Israeli civilians would probably agree. dgauss Dec 2023 #6

And they are the standard that we should use? Eko Dec 2023 #8

No, but what standard should be used? TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #81

The standard should be... Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #126

There is also the issue of why anyone should believe an institution whose RockRaven Dec 2023 #9

Bam. Eko Dec 2023 #12

Maybe if you locked arms and sang "Give Peace A Chance" we could have it. BannonsLiver Dec 2023 #68

Thank you, RockRaven! X1000000000 onecaliberal Dec 2023 #76

What is your opinion on the bombing of German & Japanese cities? Kaleva Dec 2023 #10

That's a good question. Eko Dec 2023 #15

Cities were specifically targeted Kaleva Dec 2023 #20

Because our bombers sucked. Eko Dec 2023 #22

Would you have opposed the bombing of cities? Kaleva Dec 2023 #30

Then? Yes. Eko Dec 2023 #34

Dresden was not destroyed due to inaccuracies. tazkcmo Dec 2023 #49

The targeting of entire cities is expected in a total war. sir pball Dec 2023 #72

You disregard the insane asymmetry of military capabilities. AloeVera Dec 2023 #100

Those asymmetries are real and were known to Hamas before 10/7 attack. CincyDem Jan 2024 #157

True enough. AloeVera Jan 2024 #159

Yep... CincyDem Jan 2024 #162

Well, I've been called a few things... but LOL "toddler-herder"? I like it! AloeVera Jan 2024 #164

May that be the worst thing you're called for a while. Later... n/t CincyDem Jan 2024 #165

Our bombers deliberately dropped incendaries on Tokyo, Dresen, Hamburg etc etc Swede Dec 2023 #73

On Many Japanese Cities ProfessorGAC Dec 2023 #139

You assume... wrongly... Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #127

That is one very lucky mom, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #128

I never said the civilians wern't targeted in WW2. Eko Dec 2023 #134

Me? claudette Dec 2023 #48

The Mongols killed about 40 million Kaleva Dec 2023 #55

And? claudette Dec 2023 #57

The bombing of city centers was wrong in WWII, and it does not excuse the process going on in Gaza today. Chainfire Dec 2023 #64

Until the final months of the war...Correct. TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #117

War crimes, as was the Blitz obamanut2012 Jan 2024 #151

Winners decide what constitutes a crime Kaleva Jan 2024 #158

Hamas thinks that. They're using human shields to protect themselves Arazi Dec 2023 #13

Good for you. Eko Dec 2023 #17

It's your point dude. Not mine Arazi Dec 2023 #19

So you are saying not to kill the civilians around them? Eko Dec 2023 #24

Pretty sure everyone on DU is against that Arazi Dec 2023 #28

Yes they do. Eko Dec 2023 #37

Weird how nobody's asking how many dead civilians is too many Arazi Dec 2023 #42

how do you know it never triggered me? Eko Dec 2023 #43

Did a search and didn't see any posts from you about it Arazi Dec 2023 #46

Thank you for all your comments. betsuni Dec 2023 #53

So... 2naSalit Dec 2023 #56

No, one must keep silent about it. Unless it's Israel. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #58

Yes that's the point. Only Israel gets this outrage Arazi Dec 2023 #62

"This" being destroying the capacity for more attacks? TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #66

No military is obligated to sacrifice the lives of its own troops to protect civilians. Jedi Guy Dec 2023 #23

Countries are though. Eko Dec 2023 #25

Yeah, Russia is known for not giving a shit about their own troops. Jedi Guy Dec 2023 #27

As if Russia is the only military to Eko Dec 2023 #38

Then who does? edhopper Dec 2023 #52

When did Russia ever try and do that? EX500rider Dec 2023 #113

WTF are you talking about? Which theater? OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2023 #29

That was our approach in Iraq SarahD Dec 2023 #50

Nice straw man. NT Patton French Dec 2023 #51

It's not even that nice. BannonsLiver Dec 2023 #67

Serious question. Do you view the fire bombing of Tokyo or the atomic bombs consistently with that? lostnfound Dec 2023 #54

Speaking of not knowing what things mean: Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #59

Can you clarify please? AloeVera Dec 2023 #104

I can only clarify what I understand from your post. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #112

You are unclear because your understanding of the articles is not correct. AloeVera Dec 2023 #115

I am not sure how clear your understanding of the Articles is. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #121

Article 28 first AloeVera Dec 2023 #122

No, you are not making yourself any clearer. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #135

I made myself clear, you just won't admit you were wrong. AloeVera Dec 2023 #141

Do you admit you were wrong when you said this about Article 28?: Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #142

We're through. AloeVera Dec 2023 #143

I know. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #144

Soldiers Do Not Think Their Civilian Fellow Citizens Lives Should Be Lost To Preserve Their Own The Magistrate Dec 2023 #60

30,000 American mothers and wives in 1945 might disagree with you. n/t Whiskeytide Dec 2023 #61

Post removed Post removed Dec 2023 #77

Of course not sarisataka Dec 2023 #63

Let me hypothesize here, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #65

The human shields excuse for the destruction is bullshit. AloeVera Dec 2023 #110

Great, but that wasn't the gist of my post. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #118

Sure, I can answer your hypothetical. AloeVera Dec 2023 #123

Thank you for the honest answer, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #124

Thank you! AloeVera Dec 2023 #129

I disagree, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #131

It's not a black and white issue, rather of degrees. David__77 Dec 2023 #69

Soldiers are people too ripcord Dec 2023 #84

Thanks for letting me know. Eko Dec 2023 #91

You seemed a little confused like they are worth less than civilians ripcord Dec 2023 #92

Written like someone that doesn't have a son or RubyRose Dec 2023 #85

Seeing as how I have been advocating for the US to go in Eko Dec 2023 #89

Gotta love how folks here assume they know your life. onecaliberal Jan 2024 #152

Yup. Eko Jan 2024 #161

So it is okay for Hamas to use civilians as human shields? LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #87

Hmmmm, Eko Dec 2023 #88

Really? The civilian deaths you discuss are due in large part to Hamas' use of human shields LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #95

And it take 2000 lb dumb bombs to overcome the using of human shields? Eko Dec 2023 #96

Exactly. AloeVera Dec 2023 #107

Yup. Eko Dec 2023 #108

More. Eko Dec 2023 #97

There are very deep tunnels that the IDF had to deal with LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #114

International law states that makes NO difference obamanut2012 Jan 2024 #153

Putin is a rat face. gulliver Dec 2023 #90

Sounds really serious. Torchlight Dec 2023 #93

Noted that you refuse to answer a ? put forth to you? MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #103

Not at all. I have answered this question from you before. Eko Dec 2023 #106

Thanks for this honest answer, that's hard to get here lately. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #119

No prob ya old sapper. Eko Dec 2023 #147

Also, is this scenario one that happens often? Eko Dec 2023 #109

See post #119. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #120

War is hell. The Grand Illuminist Dec 2023 #130

In what contest are civilians being killed to protect soldiers? brooklynite Dec 2023 #133

Reminder: Israel is blowing Gaza to rubble in order to minimize face-to-face urban PufPuf23 Dec 2023 #140

Soldiers put themselves at risk to protect civilians... Captain Stern Dec 2023 #146

"It's Hamas's duty to protect their civilians" JI7 Dec 2023 #148

No election in 17 years, how exactly is Hamas their leaders? We better hope america isn't held accountable for what onecaliberal Jan 2024 #154

Who's making decisions? Who's giving the orders? Who runs the military? yagotme Jan 2024 #155

French civilians died during the bombing campaign in the lead-up to D-Day. thucythucy Jan 2024 #156

That is a great question. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #160

This was exactly the conclusion reached by FDR. thucythucy Jan 2024 #163