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lapfog_1

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22. and that depends on who "they" are or consider themselves to be.
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 08:02 PM
Dec 2023

"Many Palestinian villagers claim ancestral ties to Arab tribes that settled in Palestine during or after the Arab conquest"

so the Palestinians, if you ask them, consider themselves to be descendants of the Arab conquest. I.E. after the 6th century CE. Long after the Jewish people established the kingdom of Israel ( King David and all that ) which was 1000 years before the Arab conquest.

In any event, after 1946, the state of Israel was established because

a) the rest of the world, while horrified at the holocaust, did NOT want the Jews in their country.

and

b) It was believed the only way Jews could live and be free was if they lived in a majority Jewish state... so that the power the state would not discriminate against them because of their religion.

like it or not, that is the history.

Of course, it would have been much better if they ( the British that controlled the region after WW1 and WW2 ) had gone to the Palestinian people and said "How much do you want for your land?" and paid them whatever was demanded. Instead, as has been the practice over the thousands of years in that land, the British had no thought of paying Palestinians for the "worthless desert" and left as soon as was expedient having "done their duty". The UN concurred (again without the consent of the Palestinians ).

Now we are almost 80 years past that time and how many wars and skirmishes? How many terrorist attacks?

And every time there is a war the Arabs have lost ( yes because the USA and others help Israel with money and military hardware, but also because Israel, up until now, has been very smart in their war efforts ). Now almost all of the Arab nations recognize Israel right to exist, and while sympathetic to the Palestinians, not one surrounding nation has offered the Palestinians sanctuary... even while Gaza is being bombed. It is almost as if the Palestinians are now the Jews of the Muslim world... like the way the Christian nations of the west treated the Jews when they were fleeing the holocaust.

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Independent sources are unable to confirm how many Hamas fighters have been killed. Lonestarblue Dec 2023 #1
"indigenous people off land they and their ancestors had lived on for thousands of years to give that land to other" lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #2
Centuries good enough for you? Eko Dec 2023 #6
they didn't just "live in the area" lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #8
Seems like you are doing the exact same thing. Eko Dec 2023 #10
no.. I am not. lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #12
No, the Bible is a very poor source for history. Eko Dec 2023 #13
and I have read scholarly works that demonstrate lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #14
You didn't answer my question. Eko Dec 2023 #15
Palestinians? lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #17
This was cool. Eko Dec 2023 #19
There is this as well. Eko Dec 2023 #16
however, genetics only account for the who beget who lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #18
That in no way changes that they were there for a long long time. Eko Dec 2023 #20
and that depends on who "they" are or consider themselves to be. lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #22
I showed you this. Eko Dec 2023 #23
Here is more. Eko Dec 2023 #24
And more. Eko Dec 2023 #25
My Mom was a Christian. Eko Dec 2023 #21
I do not belong to any religion lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #33
? Eko Dec 2023 #34
johnny come lately was a relative term lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #38
It is a no win for both sides under the current prevalent thoughts. Eko Dec 2023 #37
I have suggested nearly the same thing... but it should not be us lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #39
That's not bad. Eko Dec 2023 #40
I don't want to be a target of assassination lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #41
If only we could be the negotiators. Eko Dec 2023 #42
Actually, both lived in this area at the same time and were collectively called Canaanites. Lunabell Dec 2023 #29
The PLO was offered a two state solution years ago lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #32
I would. Lunabell Dec 2023 #35
Jews were the occupants of the land before Islam was a religion. AZLD4Candidate Dec 2023 #3
I didnt know Palestinian was a religion. Eko Dec 2023 #4
I think that's why they said islam? edisdead Dec 2023 #27
Are we talking about the Islamic religion or Eko Dec 2023 #28
Dunno edisdead Dec 2023 #30
Original poster they were replying to did not mention Islam at all. Eko Dec 2023 #31
Native Americans lived on the land that currently SocialDemocrat61 Dec 2023 #5
My mother's Mohawk. Yes, I'm all for that. AZLD4Candidate Dec 2023 #7
Well at least you're consistent SocialDemocrat61 Dec 2023 #9
mother was half blood Cherokee, father was 1/4th Blackfoot, with English, Dutch, and Irish.so lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #11
Weird edisdead Dec 2023 #26
I do not rely on anyone's casualty numbers. lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #36
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