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Ford_Prefect

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67. If they did it why would they try to engage the corrupted justice system they clearly mistrust?

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:12 PM

Nov 2012

Chain of evidence would be a problem I suspect. Nothing is more ephemeral and less verifiable than electronic records without hard copy and witnesses to back them up. Indeed that is the crux of the problem in both situations.

Why do they need to prove they did anything, if they did at all? I agree this points to a serious security issue but not for the first time. Those among us who doubted the wisdom of electronic voting with no paper trail have raised this question before only to be shouted down as heretics.

In my opinion the fact that it COULD have happened should be reason enough to demand competent investigation and appropriate reforms. Since we among others here posting would prefer Justice to Tyranny our debate should be toward fully open, balanced and verifiable election systems and full voting participation by all citizens.

In the mean time I will accept help as I think I find it and hang the Rogues who steal my rights whenever possible.

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Anonymous did not stop Rove from stealing the election. [View all] Plaid Adder Nov 2012 OP

I don't know why so many people find it hard to understand that Obama kicked ass... nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #1

Me either. Some insist on giving the credit to anyone but Obama. freshwest Nov 2012 #13

How does giving someone credit for doing one thing equal giving credit for doing another? aandegoons Nov 2012 #34

All bases covered, iow. ananda Nov 2012 #41

I agree-Of course Obama won because he is the better candidate- no one is disputing that RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #68

Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) bestobdii Nov 2012 #103

Anonymous isn't claiming credit for winning the election . . . markpkessinger Nov 2012 #108

And Romney exemplified Suckitude - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #32

We know that. But, had the votes been closer, we would have been vulnerable to "hacking". ladjf Nov 2012 #52

He did kick ass brush Nov 2012 #56

People spent years here convincing themselves Rove is omnipotent. Posteritatis Nov 2012 #91

Obama won RobertEarl Nov 2012 #2

THANK YOU! Care Acutely Nov 2012 #3

Good Points, Plaid.. thanks for your view.. cannot Cha Nov 2012 #4

Thank you! Obama clearly won and that is that. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #5

I don't believe Anonymous stopped Rove from stealing the election, either, but BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #6

Obama did with having a good ground game within Ohio JI7 Nov 2012 #8

Kerry was leading in Ohio in 2004, Unknown Beatle Nov 2012 #14

I believe you must mean elections were stolen in 2000 and 2004, right? 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #15

You're right. Unknown Beatle Nov 2012 #61

Most final polls had Bush up in Ohio in 2004... Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #29

Why believe Anonymous was the "someone" just on his or her say so? n/t pnwmom Nov 2012 #86

there was Fraud , but Obama just did well enough that even with that he still won JI7 Nov 2012 #7

K & R TroglodyteScholar Nov 2012 #9

Anonymous is all talk. nt awoke_in_2003 Nov 2012 #10

Ohio IS NOT irrelevant and NEVER WILL BE. Every VOTE COUNTS so all votes should be COUNTED. Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #11

+1 OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #20

+2 bahrbearian Nov 2012 #95

I have no doubt Obama won on his own merits. However, I think the fix AllyCat Nov 2012 #12

+1 cascadiance Nov 2012 #37

well said! Thanks! AllyCat Nov 2012 #105

Lots of weird, strident opinions and posts on this faux issue... Bonobo Nov 2012 #16

Didn't people work their butts off in 2000 and 2004 too? But those elections were stolen, in part by DesertDiamond Nov 2012 #17

Agreed. =D n/t AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #28

There was no hacking in 2000 jeff47 Nov 2012 #49

Nate Silver had Obama winning by 5% in Ohio PossumSqueezins Nov 2012 #18

PossumSqueezins your attitude towards North Carolina is BS and uncalled for. Ford_Prefect Nov 2012 #23

You said that SO well! marions ghost Nov 2012 #46

+1 and thanks for your hard work jsmirman Nov 2012 #116

2% is within the margin of error of the polls Nate was using. jeff47 Nov 2012 #50

It's amazing how easily some will believe quinnox Nov 2012 #19

It's Amazing How Little People Expect in the Way of Evidence On the Road Nov 2012 #87

That sounds logical JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #21

Actually, electronic vote flipping did win the primary for Romney. reusrename Nov 2012 #47

I thought we were just talking about Ohio. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #62

Unfortunately, 65,777 votes were flipped from Santorum to Romney in the primary. reusrename Nov 2012 #70

We had 625 votes at our precinct not counting paper or provisionals. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #72

Well, see that's the problem. You have no way of knowing. reusrename Nov 2012 #73

That is not a problem. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #75

I guess I don't understand. reusrename Nov 2012 #78

I don't see how this will help, but I'll make it easy JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #90

I, for one, thank you for all the information jsmirman Nov 2012 #117

Thank you - both for this information, and being a poll worker muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #118

Anonymous could prove it if they did. They haven't so likely, they didn't. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #22

If they did it, they could provide evidence... Frank Cannon Nov 2012 #24

It's possible that they may be waiting for a while..... AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #27

If they can send an anonymous email, they can send a printout of the code they found. randome Nov 2012 #36

Yes, I'm sure thwarting his evil election plans would be totally safe, but providing evidence of the AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #58

I don't think you really get my point. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #71

If that were the case, they would have NEVER CLAIMED CREDIT AT ALL. PERIOD. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #74

Not necessarily true. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #77

You're essentially making the case that they have no reason to AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #81

The evidence will be released in 24 business hours tritsofme Nov 2012 #101

ROFL alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #112

Oh, maybe not overall, but..... AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #25

The flaw in the argument I've heard... regnaD kciN Nov 2012 #26

Republican polls were also shit. Barack_America Nov 2012 #43

No matter the national outcome marions ghost Nov 2012 #45

Why? jeff47 Nov 2012 #53

Winning a state counts marions ghost Nov 2012 #57

Winning a state but losing the country doesn't count at all. jeff47 Nov 2012 #59

the only thing I agree w you on marions ghost Nov 2012 #63

My questions are not difficult to answer. jeff47 Nov 2012 #79

The fix was still in. The Doctor. Nov 2012 #30

President Obama and the people won the vote through hard work. However, Ford_Prefect Nov 2012 #31

"It is naive to think that Rove did not believe he had a "fix" in place..." marions ghost Nov 2012 #44

If you are correct, Rove is utterly incompetent and can be ignored jeff47 Nov 2012 #54

Rove is a bit blind about his abilities and his opposition. He is a control freak not a realist Ford_Prefect Nov 2012 #64

So you want voting machines to continue to be hackable? jeff47 Nov 2012 #80

You seem to assume Anonymous somehow owes responsibility to America. They clearly do not think so. Ford_Prefect Nov 2012 #88

So...they should be cheered because they ensured the next election will be hacked? jeff47 Nov 2012 #93

The case against EV was made long ago by much wiser folk than me. The proofs likewise are already Ford_Prefect Nov 2012 #96

Again, all hacks to date require changing the software or attaching hardware to the machine jeff47 Nov 2012 #109

If Anonymous did anything it was by definition outside the law. Are you leading the investigation Ford_Prefect Nov 2012 #114

No. Read my fucking posts. jeff47 Nov 2012 #115

I have not advocated for them NOT to post the evidence. Ford_Prefect Nov 2012 #119

I love that they bunched up so many panties! RandiFan1290 Nov 2012 #33

LMSP kicking... littlemissmartypants Nov 2012 #35

So, let's follow the trail of evidence and figure out who created the big fraud and why. Coyotl Nov 2012 #38

Obama and his campaign won the election. Anonymous may have protected the vote. Barack_America Nov 2012 #39

DU rec...nt SidDithers Nov 2012 #40

I agree that the tremendous GOTV was the deciding factor. Hugin Nov 2012 #42

Obama won the election by making OH irrelevant. CrispyQ Nov 2012 #48

Karl Rove Toon Roundup = please add a few favs Coyotl Nov 2012 #51

If it's true, they need to put up or shut up. WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #55

If they did it why would they try to engage the corrupted justice system they clearly mistrust? Ford_Prefect Nov 2012 #67

Hi Plaid Adder, it's been a while since I noticed you post rock Nov 2012 #60

If there's a public fear that the electronic vote is hackable, Old and In the Way Nov 2012 #65

Ohio was irrelevant. JNelson6563 Nov 2012 #66

It's also possible that somebody else blocked Rove's plans, allrevvedup Nov 2012 #69

Karl Rove is Anonymous. Prove he isn't. graham4anything Nov 2012 #76

Anonymous has exhibited something remotely resembling a conscience Fumesucker Nov 2012 #82

ever hear of devil's advocate. Rove is a player in an organization. Not the head, just a player. graham4anything Nov 2012 #83

Exactly, a good player has no use for a conscience, it's just an impediment, a drag on potential Fumesucker Nov 2012 #84

that is why trying him is a waste of taxpayer money. graham4anything Nov 2012 #85

I was on Bartcop back during the recount brouhaha, we had it figured out in near real-time there Fumesucker Nov 2012 #89

As were folks on the ancient MSNBC boards. Hugin Nov 2012 #94

If only a simple tweet then could have alerted the entire world while it happened graham4anything Nov 2012 #97

Very true. Hugin Nov 2012 #98

Off to basic logic school with you! (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #92

True. But then again, it's also totally stupid not to cover your ass Zorra Nov 2012 #99

Wast a legit Anon making the claim FogerRox Nov 2012 #100

Just stop. Nobody is saying Obama didn't win. Please stop wasting everybody's time with nonsense BlueStreak Nov 2012 #102

- Unless Rove was expecting to hack the vote in several states - OhZone Nov 2012 #104

He didn't think he needed to in FL and VA BlueStreak Nov 2012 #110

Give credit to the Obama campaign ground game rightsideout Nov 2012 #106

Please stop. Nobody is saying Obama didn't have a good campaign BlueStreak Nov 2012 #111

K & R Scurrilous Nov 2012 #107

seems kind of weird that romney got even 40ish % of the vote but whatever ;) Sunlei Nov 2012 #113