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19. I think it's bad strategy but correct morally.

Sat Dec 30, 2023, 07:10 PM

Dec 2023

So a bit of a tough spot.

I have NO problem with him being on a Republican primary ballot - especially if I think we would win the case that he isn't eligible to actually hold the office.

But if the state SOS / Election Board is supposed to only allow candidates who are eligible to hold the office they're running for, then if they believe he is ineligible then they have a duty to disallow him to appear on the ballot.

I think it's bad strategy for reasons you cite. I think Trump is one of the worst candidates they could nominate. Although he would draw a big vote from his true believers (what is wrong with America???) and we would still have to work hard. But ultimately there are people who will stay home rather than vote for him, or would even vote for Biden. Put a more normal white man on the ticket who gives them their talking points, those defectors will go and vote for them.

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Is keeping Trump off state ballots a good idea? [View all] Cyrano Dec 2023 OP

Good question intrepidity Dec 2023 #1

Democrats had better turnout... appmanga Dec 2023 #2

No one is 'keeping' Trump off of state ballots. J_William_Ryan Dec 2023 #3

+1 Perfect. That orange sack of soggy sow shit sucks liquid scat straight through a straw. SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #36

This hydrolastic Dec 2023 #43

Whether or not it is a good idea is not the issue. TomSlick Dec 2023 #4

I'm sure the current Supreme Court will find a Cyrano Dec 2023 #7

I keep hearing this... hydrolastic Dec 2023 #44

Basically, no one can stop them from doing whatever they want to do. Cyrano Dec 2023 #45

The republicans have been obstructing for 50 years now hydrolastic Dec 2023 #48

This FHRRK Jan 2024 #58

Off topic......................... Lovie777 Dec 2023 #5

and beyond rights they take away democrats Tree Lady Dec 2023 #17

If all eligible voters could vote, there would be no Republican Party. Cyrano Dec 2023 #47

Chances are if he is not taken off the ballot he will be re-elected. nt doc03 Dec 2023 #6

No. Chances are that criminal be be convicted and in jail. brush Dec 2023 #14

No I don't think that will happen. nt doc03 Dec 2023 #20

But you think trump will be elected again? brush Dec 2023 #21

Yep with Biden's polls and the others running like RFK Jr. absolutely. It is going to be doc03 Dec 2023 #32

The election is a year off so believing polls saying trump... brush Dec 2023 #35

Now I read today Manchin and Romney may run. All of the 3rd, 4th and 5th party doc03 Dec 2023 #42

Yeah sure. brush Dec 2023 #50

His support has not grown, and he lost even at its peak. ExWhoDoesntCare Dec 2023 #56

That's like asking if the Constitution is a good idea Generic Brad Dec 2023 #8

I don't believe so. cloudbase Dec 2023 #9

I don't think it's a good idea. yardwork Dec 2023 #10

Nothing MichMan Dec 2023 #18

Slippery slope argument dpibel Dec 2023 #24

Why have other states interpreted it differently? MichMan Dec 2023 #27

Again, you are declaring the rule of law dead dpibel Dec 2023 #30

I agree. He is guilty as hell in my estimation but TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #23

DQ for the ballot is, however, not criminal dpibel Dec 2023 #25

I just don't understand why folks as yourself talk with such certainty tritsofme Dec 2023 #40

My only certainty is that it's not a criminal matter dpibel Dec 2023 #53

I also don't like the idea of not requiring a conviction dsc Dec 2023 #26

The 14th Amendment is there for a reason. Each state also probably has their own '14th Amendment' too, so SWBTATTReg Dec 2023 #11

Depends how you look at it Polybius Dec 2023 #12

According to the Constitution, he's ineligible. So yes. brush Dec 2023 #13

Does it make it more difficult for Stanky to regain power? Ponietz Dec 2023 #15

The message should be... LiberalFighter Dec 2023 #16

I think it's bad strategy but correct morally. RandomNumbers Dec 2023 #19

Our constitution demands it! Emile Dec 2023 #22

Only will be a matter of time before.. DemocratInPa Dec 2023 #28

What part of the Constitution did President Biden violate? Emile Dec 2023 #39

Not as I see it. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2023 #29

The 14th amendment does not say anything about ballots LeftInTX Dec 2023 #31

WTF do we even have a Constitution? doc03 Dec 2023 #33

Trump relies on not being held accountable. I'd prefer we not assist him Raven123 Dec 2023 #34

Dems have had significant victories in elections ever since 2016, and Trump has only been on the ballot once since then MistakenLamb Dec 2023 #37

Democrats will run FOR reproduction rights that will crush MAGA uponit7771 Dec 2023 #38

Hopefully, this one issue will crush the Republicans in this year's elections. Cyrano Dec 2023 #49

Of course it is. It's required by the 14th. Voltaire2 Dec 2023 #41

If the Courts say he was engaged in the insurrection... kentuck Dec 2023 #46

If we want to guarantee turn out, tiny D would have to be on the ballot ecstatic Dec 2023 #51

Yes. nt tazkcmo Dec 2023 #52

The tricky part is the procedural one. Ocelot II Dec 2023 #54

Doesn't matter if it is a good or bad idea, it is written in the constitution so it is Bev54 Dec 2023 #55

It TFG is not on the ballot, then a good number of his supporters will stay home LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2024 #57