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In reply to the discussion: Congress has already determined, as a matter of law, that the Jan 6 Capitol attack was an insurrection. [View all]pnwmom
(110,261 posts)24. I misspoke. It was sedition -- or seditious conspiracy -- that was the most serious charge.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/jury-convicts-four-leaders-proud-boys-seditious-conspiracy-related-us-capitol-breach
Jury Convicts Four Leaders of the Proud Boys of Seditious Conspiracy Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/sedition.html#:~:text=Also%20known%20as%20%22sedition%2C%22,to%20destroy%20or%20overthrow%20it
Seditious Conspiracy and Federal Law: The Basics
Jury Convicts Four Leaders of the Proud Boys of Seditious Conspiracy Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/sedition.html#:~:text=Also%20known%20as%20%22sedition%2C%22,to%20destroy%20or%20overthrow%20it
Seditious Conspiracy and Federal Law: The Basics
The federal law against seditious conspiracy is in Title 18 of the U.S. Code, specifically 18 U.S.C. § 2384. That section of the U.S. Code deals with treason, rebellion, and similar offenses.
That section of the U.S. Code lays out a definition of sedition. Sedition is a crime involving two or more people in the United States:
To conspire to overthrow or destroy by force the government of the United States or to level war against it,
To oppose by force the authority of the United States government,
To prevent, hinder, or delay by force the execution of any law of the United States, or
To take, seize, or possess by force any property of the United States.
That section of the U.S. Code lays out a definition of sedition. Sedition is a crime involving two or more people in the United States:
To conspire to overthrow or destroy by force the government of the United States or to level war against it,
To oppose by force the authority of the United States government,
To prevent, hinder, or delay by force the execution of any law of the United States, or
To take, seize, or possess by force any property of the United States.
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Congress has already determined, as a matter of law, that the Jan 6 Capitol attack was an insurrection. [View all]
pnwmom
Jan 2024
OP
All of them did or at least were okay with it including that dim wit ashley babbit!
PortTack
Jan 2024
#15
And there's a few on that list that voted nay to protect their own insurrectionist bottoms.
canuckledragger
Jan 2024
#7
That's NOT what I said. Congress made a legal FINDING that the attack was carried out by
pnwmom
Jan 2024
#19
Okay, I looked at it all, but not carefully enough. Thanks for highlighting that. . . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Jan 2024
#20
True. But in spirit, at least, this law connects to 18 U.S. CODE § 2383 - REBELLION OR INSURRECTION.
ancianita
Jan 2024
#21
Right -- which is why some of the insurrectionists were convicted of the crime of insurrection. nt
pnwmom
Jan 2024
#22
Cool. I'm not sure I read about that in justice.gov but I'll take your word for it.
ancianita
Jan 2024
#23
I misspoke. It was sedition -- or seditious conspiracy -- that was the most serious charge.
pnwmom
Jan 2024
#24
Thanks. More accurate. And it still falls under the insurrection law on the books as 18 U.S. CODE § 2383.
ancianita
Jan 2024
#26
You're right. Just conspiracy and other 18 USC crimes that are more important.
ancianita
Jan 2024
#32
now if only we can get that through the dodo heads of those still in congress
SouthernDem4ever
Jan 2024
#37
Where did I use the word "force"? The word "insurrectionist" is literally in the findings
pnwmom
Jan 2024
#43