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HariSeldon

(541 posts)
32. Consider game theory - the Prisoners' Dilemma
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 04:25 PM
Jan 2024

According to the Veratasium video on game theory and the Prisoners' Dilemma (in the formulation used by Dr. Axelrod), there has been abundant research on what strategies serve best over a long series (of not-entirely-determinative length) of interactions where the participants can cooperate or defect. In general, the strategies that performed best could be described as: nice (i.e. not defecting first), forgiving (only looking at its opponent's immediately preceding decision), retaliatory/provokable (defecting in the round immediately after its opponent defects), clear (using a simple and easily observed strategy), and generous (occasionally cooperating even when it would otherwise defect).

Some denominations of Christianity have been characterized as being maximally forgiving, based on the teachings of Jesus as related in the Bible. Applying this strategy in the Prisoners' Dilemma works well if the opponent is "nice" but fails badly when the opponent is nasty -- and the nastier the opponent, the worse the inevitable failure.

I believe some groups of Democrats may have the same misconception that consistently choosing cooperation -- even in the face of defection -- is a winning strategy. The math says not, and this is the one thing I would fault President Biden for: not clearly and strongly retaliating for the defection of the Republican Party against the (little-D) democratic nature of our chosen form of government. I truly believe this is a core reason why the Democrats lost House seats in 2022 and for the perception of President Biden as "weak."

And Republicans seem to have learned the lesson that Democrats are overly forgiving and resist provocation: they can defect with impunity because Democrats will always try to make things work. I suppose the lie was put to "always" when Democrats refused to help McCarthy keep the Speaker's gavel, but that singular case does not lay out a clear strategy where Republican voters see that they are losing out through their elected legislators' refusal to cooperate in effective legislation.

And I think this also spills over into Christianity, especially evangelicalism: those who believe that "spreading the Good News" (usually measured in attendance at services or weekly collections) is more important than Jesus' teachings of maximal cooperation will be inclined to defect in furtherance of their immediate goals.

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AN INTERESTING QUESTION.... [View all] ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2024 OP
Interesting discussion about that on Kos today- FalloutShelter Jan 2024 #1
It's a power worshipper club. Not Christianity. ancianita Jan 2024 #27
A short observation. usonian Jan 2024 #2
organised religion is hard to carry on without greed.... getagrip_already Jan 2024 #16
He hurts the people we hate. SarahD Jan 2024 #3
That is an interesting question. My thought is that their Christianity is cultural. Jim__ Jan 2024 #4
They think whatever the angry man on TV tells them to think Mysterian Jan 2024 #5
They don't care if you call them hypocrites. So now what? WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #6
Now they can be called a club of power worshippers. A cult for the antichrist. ancianita Jan 2024 #29
Not only that but the abhorrent policies they support and advocate. #FakeChristians nt GuppyGal Jan 2024 #7
People have been asking that quesiton since 2016. Ms. Toad Jan 2024 #8
get thee to the greatest page , ding, ding. AllaN01Bear Jan 2024 #9
Why? otchmoson Jan 2024 #10
Because he doesn't take those types of interviews/questions, and if it happened erronis Jan 2024 #17
Did the open phone lines bring death threats for being mean to Der Fuhrer? KS Toronado Jan 2024 #11
The majority bernieb Jan 2024 #12
Thanks for stating what I think. They have lost their belief - if they ever really had it. erronis Jan 2024 #18
It's a power and character thing BaronChocula Jan 2024 #13
I asked that of one of my relatives who is an evangelical Christian back in 2016. progressoid Jan 2024 #14
Also..." local Progressive radio station" What's that like? progressoid Jan 2024 #15
Pacifica Radio and some stations that carry Democracy Now, etc. erronis Jan 2024 #20
closest that carries Pacific radio is 175 miles away from me. progressoid Jan 2024 #24
We have a radio station 1 1/4 miles from we here I live now. ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2024 #25
Wow. Good for you! progressoid Jan 2024 #33
It is transactional... orwell Jan 2024 #19
Cognitive dissonance is epidemic in the Republican Party dlk Jan 2024 #21
They don't pay attention to that love, mercy, grace stuff. AverageOldGuy Jan 2024 #22
My wife and I have been pondering that question for years. Trust_Reality Jan 2024 #23
Glad you have escaped that alternative-fact bubble and can tell us about it. erronis Jan 2024 #37
They have misplaced faith in an antichrist, and think they Love, Forgive, Accept & Tolerate HIM, who ancianita Jan 2024 #26
Speaking of knowing claudette Jan 2024 #30
In the context of current morality politics, ancianita Jan 2024 #35
That's always been the question claudette Jan 2024 #28
I don't always know what Jesus would do, Sneederbunk Jan 2024 #31
Consider game theory - the Prisoners' Dilemma HariSeldon Jan 2024 #32
Figuring out how to play the "prisoners game" is what master strategists do erronis Jan 2024 #38
GOP Jesus JoseBalow Jan 2024 #34
Religion at the micro level is much more about association and affiliation Ocelot II Jan 2024 #36
Reccing. It's social - bonding or ostracism. Jesus/religion is immaterial. erronis Jan 2024 #39
There's a woman at my church... TSExile Jan 2024 #40
Bloody f'n BS. ExWhoDoesntCare Jan 2024 #41
just shows the phoniness of religion Skittles Jan 2024 #42
ALL the repug voters want is cruelty and hate for Dems & Libs. The orange one represents their best chance Hotler Jan 2024 #43
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