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truedelphi

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189. i am rather ignorant of the whole discussion

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:16 AM

Nov 2012

In terms of Anonymous and preventing Karl Rove from stealing the election and all that.

I am not saying that it is not a valid subject to be concerned with - just want you to understand that in entering the discussion, I am not taking sides (Other than of course, to agree with any and all that know Karl Rove to be a total pig.)

But I want to point out that the whole problem with modern day elections, and given the fact that over 70% of all ballots are processed on hackable election machinery, is that an election can be stolen, without any "proof" of that happening. The election can be stolen in a mere split second, especially if it concerns a local office. (Harder to pull off are the theft of Presidential elections, and then that of state-wide elections.)

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But they need proof , proof I tell ya. I wonder how many are of faith? Do they talk to God? bahrbearian Nov 2012 #13

Not proof. Evidence. There is none. randome Nov 2012 #23

False bigmonkey Nov 2012 #47

Fine. You say you have evidence. Now what? randome Nov 2012 #49

Mitt, is that you? bigmonkey Nov 2012 #61

What I thought. You have not through this through at all. randome Nov 2012 #67

That is a silly thing to say. Self-revelant. Really. byronius Nov 2012 #112

Why are you trying to argue that fraud is possible? We know it is! randome Nov 2012 #119

Uhhhh, push for federally-regulated paper ballots and an absolutely public election process? byronius Nov 2012 #152

"Questions like that"? It's a simple question. randome Nov 2012 #155

Your thought process seems disjointed. byronius Nov 2012 #192

The issue is about election fraud, not voter fraud or as you write it "fraudulent voting" suffragette Nov 2012 #174

You really have to wonder what their agenda is all about? bahrbearian Nov 2012 #79

Who are "they"? bigmonkey Nov 2012 #90

They are the ones who say "there is no evidence" bahrbearian Nov 2012 #118

Can fraudulent voting occur? Yes. randome Nov 2012 #122

Not enought to change an election. bahrbearian Nov 2012 #132

It isn't about voting. It isn't about voters. It is called ELECTION not voter fraud. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #289

Oh, please, stop with the baiting. randome Nov 2012 #291

Please stop with mis characterizing the issue. You've done it multiple times sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #299

good one glinda Nov 2012 #128

Lol, and there you are again! sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #181

i am rather ignorant of the whole discussion truedelphi Nov 2012 #189

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K & R malaise Nov 2012 #14

Questions DakotaLady Nov 2012 #43

K&R = Kicked and Recommended. n/t = No Text, meaning nothing more than the subject line. randome Nov 2012 #45

Thank you ... DakotaLady Nov 2012 #69

It's in the My Profile link at the top of each page. randome Nov 2012 #70

Damn... You're Actually A Nice Person... WillyT Nov 2012 #110

Time for bed, WillyT. randome Nov 2012 #120

very tippy top of page Maynar Nov 2012 #73

Off to the tippy top ... DakotaLady Nov 2012 #84

Welcome DakotaLady! Change has come Nov 2012 #106

Hear hear! MNBrewer Nov 2012 #16

Remember when we ProSense Nov 2012 #17

Of Course... But I Definitely Do Not Mind The Discussion And The Various Good Points On Either Side WillyT Nov 2012 #24

If that's the case, what's with the "shut up" straw man? ProSense Nov 2012 #29

I'd Have To Name Names... And That Ain't Cool Here At DU... WillyT Nov 2012 #31

If you have to name names, then ProSense Nov 2012 #38

Ok... Fair Enough... Why Are YOU So DRIVEN To Confront/Weigh-In On These Discussions... WillyT Nov 2012 #78

Why are you so intent of playing the victim? ProSense Nov 2012 #216

You're not the one posting "end of story" starroute Nov 2012 #36

'End of story' is another way of saying 'Not enough for me'. randome Nov 2012 #37

We prefer to confront the reality that we live in, not hide from it. reusrename Nov 2012 #109

What are the next steps, then? randome Nov 2012 #113

I'm hoping that I won't have to do a whole lot, other than join the discussion. reusrename Nov 2012 #135

Disagreeing on an anonymous email is hardly 'impeding'. randome Nov 2012 #143

Fine it's not intentional, it's ignorance. I won't argue the point. I don't really care. reusrename Nov 2012 #156

It sure has raised the issue of election fraud, hasn't it? And if that was all sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #262

The Anon claim is stupid, and probably not made by anon. FogerRox Nov 2012 #142

Ohio electronically flipped 65,777 primary votes to Romney. reusrename Nov 2012 #171

By what mechanism that existed in both elections, and could be connected to by AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #182

It was only one election, the March 6 Ohio primary. reusrename Nov 2012 #186

They are claiming (or someone claiming to be anonymous is claiming) to have connected to and AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #257

My brother suspects they hacked the passwords so nobody could log in. reusrename Nov 2012 #280

The machines were not. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #284

If you're referring to the Anonymus hacking claims, being asked for evidence is not jeff47 Nov 2012 #18

"being told to shut up" is ProSense Nov 2012 #22

You would have a point if anyone was arguing that there was evidence. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #264

Anonymous makes it easier for Kos to dismiss the issue. allrevvedup Nov 2012 #281

If this was Anonymous, they have a record to prove that when they say sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #282

Video: "We will turn over all this data allrevvedup Nov 2012 #283

Lol, you lost me at Assange is a Romney lover' or whatever that was. He hates sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #286

Assange: �It�s better to have a sheep in wolf�s clothing [ROMNEY] allrevvedup Nov 2012 #287

KNR Lucinda Nov 2012 #19

K&R WillyT louslobbs Nov 2012 #20

Thank you! Punkingal Nov 2012 #25

Halle-fucking-luja! Raster Nov 2012 #26

I'm relatively new, but still, I'm with you! Squinch Nov 2012 #104

I made a "joke" about Anonymous and the Hacking, BUT... liberalmuse Nov 2012 #27

What YOU said.. And anyone who's curious, and would like annabanana Nov 2012 #28

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - And Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2012 #32

I was here through the 2004 election and I remember Bev Harris + Black Box Voting very well. Hyper_Eye Nov 2012 #33

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The only elections that can be stolen are the ones with opportunity to steal them Coyotl Nov 2012 #41

Spot on Coyotl riverSdawn Nov 2012 #82

where heaven05 Nov 2012 #103

Not having proof does not mean not being able to discuss starroute Nov 2012 #44

THANK YOU !!! WillyT Nov 2012 #48

And no one is. It's a straw man argument. randome Nov 2012 #51

Here's the flaw in that logic: ProSense Nov 2012 #56

you heaven05 Nov 2012 #108

"Keep up the good fight"? What are you fighting for? randome Nov 2012 #115

I heaven05 Nov 2012 #125

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Two names: Keith Olbermann and Bev Harris ProSense Nov 2012 #211

ohhh heaven05 Nov 2012 #214

But did you know ProSense Nov 2012 #215

that's it? heaven05 Nov 2012 #220

Are you really comparing Bev Harris to Anonymous? starroute Nov 2012 #218

No, I'm comparing ProSense Nov 2012 #223

Anonymous are "Wacko" ? NorthCarolina Nov 2012 #226

That was ProSense Nov 2012 #246

K and R'd to the nth degree... Bennyboy Nov 2012 #46

Mee TOO! Plucketeer Nov 2012 #58

The 2000 election was "stolen" by tens of thousands of legitimate voters being purged from the rolls RomneyLies Nov 2012 #52

Indeed, pay attention to where there are real opportunities to steal elections Coyotl Nov 2012 #60

I am doubtful that the Rebubs limit their methods to just a handful..... glinda Nov 2012 #138

Interesting... Could You Expand On That ??? WillyT Nov 2012 #65

Had the voter rolls not been purged, mostly of African Americans RomneyLies Nov 2012 #87

That's not quite what happened. reusrename Nov 2012 #177

You are conflating two issues Coyotl Nov 2012 #195

You're correct, the two issues are intentionally conflated. reusrename Nov 2012 #213

K&R TomClash Nov 2012 #53

I don't want you to shut up--I want you to talk more, and show us the evidence. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #57

Maybe I've been asleep, but I haven't seen anyone say to shut up about it. TroglodyteScholar Nov 2012 #59

Apparently insisting on evidence is the same thing as being told to shut up. randome Nov 2012 #63

Thank you WillyT. Well said. K&R'd Matariki Nov 2012 #62

+1 Divine Discontent Nov 2012 #183

Thanks for reminding everyone liberal N proud Nov 2012 #64

Hear, hear! You tell em Willy T. juajen Nov 2012 #66

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Can I steal this thread? nt OhZone Nov 2012 #86

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I love your post felix_numinous Nov 2012 #91

And to see Kos weighing in was just the icing on the cake. Did you know sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #92

And did you also notice that Markos has become a multimillionaire, while poor Dave hasn't Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #166

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Did you know this sabrina? Autumn Nov 2012 #256

I know, it blew a lot of us away when we found that out also Autumn. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #266

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Kos answers to a higher authority... Octafish Nov 2012 #204

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Wow! MelissaB Nov 2012 #241

Is that verified???? That should be a stand alone OP since Autumn Nov 2012 #245

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Yes they do. They are also the inventors, or at least the promoters of sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #269

That he gets away with it shows whose side he's on. Octafish Nov 2012 #285

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K & R AzDar Nov 2012 #95

Thank you Willy T. Kicking. n/t Hotler Nov 2012 #96

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It's not just 'newbies" my friend. 99Forever Nov 2012 #207

True, but they are still in the minority, so there is that! sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #298

Approve! blackspade Nov 2012 #99

One additional "oddity" -- Some conspiratorial Repugs now push the false meme ... HuckleB Nov 2012 #100

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Ah, good old LIHOP. byronius Nov 2012 #107

Rock On, WillyT! CrazyOrangeCat Nov 2012 #114

Agree...enough with the hectoring Iwillnevergiveup Nov 2012 #117

Well said! If for nothing else than for Andy...we can not forget and we must be vigilant emsimon33 Nov 2012 #123

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No one is telling anyone to shut up about fraudulent voting. randome Nov 2012 #129

Curiouser & Curiouser Caretha Nov 2012 #209

You are correct. I had my terms wrong. randome Nov 2012 #224

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k&r... spanone Nov 2012 #144

Agreed. K & R davidthegnome Nov 2012 #145

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You can't prove that. byronius Nov 2012 #154

But IT'S NADER'S FAULT!!! OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #158

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meh Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #161

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And that's another major flaw... Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #184

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K&R! Lugnut Nov 2012 #170

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WillyT? Zorra Nov 2012 #173

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2012 WAS stolen, by GOP gerrymandering of congressional districts. Sirveri Nov 2012 #187

Very good point. After all, there was more than one election truedelphi Nov 2012 #191

that's generally how it works. Rig it so you always win, then keep rigging it. Sirveri Nov 2012 #197

254th KnR. Yeah, those were the days Hekate Nov 2012 #188

If anyone can get into the early2003 Archives,there's a long thread on voting system integrity flaws Hekate Nov 2012 #193

It would be wonderful if you made this an OP (if you haven't already). antigone382 Nov 2012 #274

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Here's the thing that I don't get. gkhouston Nov 2012 #237

and that's how and why I found it. onethatcares Nov 2012 #196

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The real massive threat Augiedog Nov 2012 #208

unanimous response to a stupid alert Demonaut Nov 2012 #210

Thanks For The Heads-Up, Demonaut !!! WillyT Nov 2012 #294

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WillyT! whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #230

Can we please differentiate... gcomeau Nov 2012 #233

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No. 361 K&R! midnight Nov 2012 #251

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Who's telling you to shut up? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #254

gotta read the thread, Scooty! warrprayer Nov 2012 #260

Jesus christ. Scootaloo Nov 2012 #261

It will be worth it warrprayer Nov 2012 #263

great post! & let's not forget MIchael Connell, Rep IT specialist about to give testimony, who died Bill USA Nov 2012 #255

RIP Andy! sellitman Nov 2012 #258

Many of us Johnny Come Latelys warrprayer Nov 2012 #259

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K&R! redqueen Nov 2012 #265

Election theft deniers are similar to Climate Change deniers Doctor_J Nov 2012 #271

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K&R HopeHoops Nov 2012 #303