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moniss

(9,058 posts)
40. And your "friends" need to be able to say
Thu Jan 18, 2024, 08:14 PM
Jan 2024

no to you. It won't happen. But they should say it. I've said before that the solution should be imposed by an international UN peacekeeping force. At one point before the end of the mandate the British were precisely right in opposing the proposed partition plan. At that time their reasoning was that any solution that was not agreed to by the Arab bloc/Palestinians would fail. They were correct. But basically half of the plan was allowed by the UN to go into effect. That was the mistake at that time. Even given all their faults and bad behavior during the Mandate the British were right about this. A modification of the broken clock theory in a way.

So now after decades and decades of the world community and the UN giving in to the idea that the US will somehow shepherd a negotiated solution as an unbiased facilitator we have undeniable proof that the approach is a complete and utter failure and nobody could possibly contain busting out in laughter at the idea that the US is or has been functioning as an unbiased facilitator.

Imposition of a solution by the international community will likely not happen because of the US veto. But it is all that will work. If Israel reoccupies Gaza, which I said early on was the likely scenario, does any rational person think the violence and attacks in response are not going to take place? How does decades more of violent attacks against Israeli citizens continuing on forever into the future provide a benefit to them or give their future a hope of peace? It is madness to assume it would be anything other than continuing horror. The British conclusion redux. Even if Likud and the rest of the hardliners think that basically taking over Gaza and the West Bank to an even greater degree than now would somehow end the attacks they are fooling themselves and misleading their citizens if they are claiming it would.

So the bottom line is that all of this mess looks like it will continue on for decades and decades longer with no end in sight. End Hamas and another takes it's place. End that one and then another rises to continue the attacks. Given the chance years ago to say no to the idea of a half a plan the UN chose, after a great deal of crooked political and economic pressure on members to accept the plan, the idea that they could somehow "contain" the fallout, make false promises and kick the can down the road. In that regard little has changed or is likely to.

Upon edit I wanted to add that if people look at my posts they will see me decry the actions of all sides throughout the history of all of this. However it seems to be constantly necessary to say that in every post when making any statement about this subject.

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Bibi says "from the river to the sea?" ExciteBike66 Jan 2024 #1
It's part of the Likud Party platform. There are just some people who prefer not to know it. Nanjeanne Jan 2024 #2
I was told it is different when Bibi says it obamanut2012 Jan 2024 #10
Bibi guy sounds like an asshole supreme uponit7771 Jan 2024 #57
and Hamas believes Israel should be destroyed. That is the full context, and JohnSJ Jan 2024 #3
Hamas is only 30,000 or fewer fighters, not the 4 million or so Palestinians. Lonestarblue Jan 2024 #5
John SJ didn't call every Palestinian a Hamas Terrorist. maxsolomon Jan 2024 #6
No I didn't, and thank-you. And whether people want to admit it or not, Hamas controls that area JohnSJ Jan 2024 #35
Some people posting on this site habitually seem to do so.... DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #48
they know the difference FHRRK Jan 2024 #50
I don't believe it has much to do with 'ideology'--- DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #52
maybe a bit of each FHRRK Jan 2024 #53
Modern day Israel is very different. The majority of Israelis today have been expelled from Arab or Muslim countries LeftInTX Jan 2024 #60
there are around 14.3 million Palestinians Celerity Jan 2024 #21
I oppose a Netanyahu state in Israel. LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #4
And the attacks that happened before he was PM? Mountainguy Jan 2024 #55
Netanyahu tells US he opposes creation of Palestinian state after Gaza war - The Guardian PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #7
I believe there is some big money behind this. Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #8
This deserves a thread of its own. Very nice post. marble falls Jan 2024 #34
Netanyahu vows no Palestinian state, attacks Israeli media, denies blindsiding Gallant - Times of Israel PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #9
Netanyahoo even has to attack the Israeli media, because they are DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #49
Problem is that Netanyahu, like Trump, has far too many supporters PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #54
NOW - Netanyahu: "In the future, the state of Israel has to control the entire area from the river to the sea." demmiblue Jan 2024 #11
So what is Bibi planning to do with the Palestinians already living in Gaza and the West Bank? DBoon Jan 2024 #12
'Send them to the Congo' has been floated... babylonsister Jan 2024 #15
I suppose they would be better off in Congo, if the Israeli government DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #51
And the rest of the world opposes Netanyahu in any postwar scenario. Baitball Blogger Jan 2024 #13
Apparently Netanyahu just wants the Palestinians gone... brush Jan 2024 #14
Not asleep at the wheel. MOMFUDSKI Jan 2024 #27
Very possible. No way to explain the hours it took the IDF to respond on Oct. 7 brush Jan 2024 #30
The IDF was busy protecting "settlers" in the West Bank..... TheRealNorth Jan 2024 #41
But it seems like he has been around forever. About thirty years. marble falls Jan 2024 #32
I know. Like a bad penny he keeps turning up in power. brush Jan 2024 #36
Basically Chi67 Jan 2024 #37
"The prime minister needs to be capable of saying no to our friends" sanatanadharma Jan 2024 #16
Why does anyone think terrorism should be rewarded? Mosby Jan 2024 #17
We have been rewarding the ILLEGAL occupation of the West Bank since 1967 TheRealNorth Jan 2024 #45
It's not an illegal occupation Mosby Jan 2024 #46
"...the heinous acts perpetrated by Hamas and some Gazans can't be rewarded." LudwigPastorius Jan 2024 #61
Israel was rewarded for terrorism Celerity Jan 2024 #64
So just get rid of him and he won't have a say in what happens. Fla Dem Jan 2024 #18
Well that settles that I guess angrychair Jan 2024 #19
It IS but we won't. Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #26
The IDF knew. Netanyahu knew. LuvLoogie Jan 2024 #20
Bibi needs a war footing to stay in power. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2024 #22
Strongman politics almost always requires some sort of over inflated outside threat to stay in power. marble falls Jan 2024 #29
His problem though is allowing the attack. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2024 #62
He thought he had a sort of working arrangement with Hamas. marble falls Jan 2024 #63
I now this is callous, but Netanyahu just screwed himself. ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2024 #23
Post of the Day. Thank you. WarGamer Jan 2024 #25
Post removed Post removed Jan 2024 #42
Israel doesnt rely on anyone. Mosby Jan 2024 #66
Bizarro World when the US is proposing a KSA deal to Israel and is rebuffed... WarGamer Jan 2024 #24
I thought Bonesaw bin Salman was on the US's badside? Mosby Jan 2024 #67
That ought to boost the threats on Israeli security. Netanyahu is a dangerous man. Has been for decades ... marble falls Jan 2024 #28
Hell, I knew that as soon as IDF started bulldozing Palestinian cemeteries. louis-t Jan 2024 #31
Netanyahu and Hamas gotta go for there to be any chance Arazi Jan 2024 #33
After decades of attacks Israel is tired of it ripcord Jan 2024 #38
"Giving"? Like it was a f-ing favor to herd them in the strip? ExciteBike66 Jan 2024 #43
The UN put pressure on Israel to give Gaza to the Palestinians after they took it from Egypt ripcord Jan 2024 #44
Gaza oppression didn't start first? tis uponit7771 Jan 2024 #59
This is a very complicated issue. TomSlick Jan 2024 #39
And your "friends" need to be able to say moniss Jan 2024 #40
I oppose Netanyahoo's opinion and his party in any postwar-scenario... DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #47
Netanyahu and his trashy party are a major part of the problem. NutmegYankee Jan 2024 #56
+1, looks like the solution is the opposite of whatever Bibi wants uponit7771 Jan 2024 #58
This bodes well. - No Arab Community in Israel Among Those Eligible for State Sponsored Gun Handout Nanjeanne Jan 2024 #65
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