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47. I would give PETA more of a break IF

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:30 AM

Nov 2012

Something close to 90% of pets that enter their shelters weren't euthanized, and if they didn't believe that my dog was better off DEAD than being loved and spoiled by my husband and I because they believe that pets should not exist. http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/03/petas-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-history-of-killing-animals/254130/

I used to have respect for PETA, even though I disagreed with them on some items, but now no more.

If it were necessary for all of humanity to go Vegan to keep dogs, horses, and cats from EVER being tortured, eaten, or made to live in some miserable way, I'd go for it in a heartbeat if that's what it took, and I love my burgers. That seems to be what it would take for a lot of people to not see a false equivalency with our companion animals and a turkey, and if that's the case, so be it, pass the tofurky laws tomorrow and I'll comply.

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Once again PETA shows they have the same IQ as all of Free Republic... [View all] Archae Nov 2012 OP

. former-republican Nov 2012 #1

I have eaten dog. So I guess turkey is okay for me. jmowreader Nov 2012 #2

That deserves credit. Funny. nt Flabbergasted Nov 2012 #221

If you wouldn't beat your dog to death, why swat a mosquito? uppityperson Nov 2012 #3

Because there are different levels of consciousness. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #18

too much fat WooWooWoo Nov 2012 #25

You could raise lean free range humans. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #27

Soylent Green, my friend, is very tasty!! madinmaryland Nov 2012 #29

For today's consumers it would have to be Soylent Brown hack89 Nov 2012 #51

Hey, *something* has to replace those deep fried Twinkies! n/t LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #169

We already have free range humans AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #134

They are kind of gamey tasting. n/t Gore1FL Nov 2012 #203

Try barbecue sauce! AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #253

Also, the ad says "your dog" and "a turkey". I have less problem eating animals that aren't "my" pet uppityperson Nov 2012 #161

For that matter, turkeys aren't on the same level as dogs ... Bake Nov 2012 #162

With some fava beans and a nice Chianti? Sure. TalkingDog Nov 2012 #167

turkeys are marginally closer than a mosquito... BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #192

tool making cockatoos Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #249

Dogs do not know they are alive or will die. Correct? Logical Nov 2012 #261

Dogs seem to have a pretty good idea of when the end is approaching Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #269

You've never interacted with a live turkey, have you? 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #273

Quite frequently. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #275

Wild ones are not in question 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #282

I consider my turkey to be beside the potatoe..... PavePusher Nov 2012 #289

Steamed carrots? 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #291

just so I understand your point here: Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #301

Clearly you don't understand: 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #304

so your new claim is that only "self awareness" matters and that we need Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #307

That's a very good question biohazard9550 Nov 2012 #166

Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #214

Actually, they're just presenting an inconvenient truth... polichick Nov 2012 #4

Agree nt Raine Nov 2012 #6

It's not really a truth Confusious Nov 2012 #14

All of those are food to some people. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #19

"generally speaking" Confusious Nov 2012 #30

The french eat horse a lot. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #58

Very few Confusious Nov 2012 #75

Oxen are eaten in the US A LOT obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #69

Again "generally speaking" Confusious Nov 2012 #77

An ox is just a steer trained to be a draft animal. It's called beef at the store. hobbit709 Nov 2012 #97

Well, oops. Confusious Nov 2012 #199

What's the matter? Don't like Beef? All oxen are are steers who trained as draft animals... Ecumenist Nov 2012 #106

Well, generally speaking Confusious Nov 2012 #197

That's a rather ego-centric opinion-universe, yes? PavePusher Nov 2012 #292

The only markets I can think of where there aren't "BIG HUNKS OF OXEN" are in India Ecumenist Nov 2012 #110

You needed to say that twice? Confusious Nov 2012 #200

Yes, you do -- it's called "beef" obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #116

I guess Indians eating dog Confusious Nov 2012 #201

I heard eating dog was a response to post WWII near-starvation DBoon Nov 2012 #94

You heard correctly jsmirman Nov 2012 #99

I lived in China and Taiwan for a while. geardaddy Nov 2012 #126

Cat's in the Kettle notwithstanding...? MADem Nov 2012 #283

What "WE" are you talking about? demwing Nov 2012 #31

I thought it was pretty clear Confusious Nov 2012 #53

we don't eat "pets" for some value of "pet". Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #59

exactly. eom uppityperson Nov 2012 #163

And pet doesn't have a universal definition 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #293

I can find oxtails in any grocery store in my town obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #67

"generally speaking" Confusious Nov 2012 #79

Lots of people eat beef obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #118

Generally speaking.... YUM! Turborama Nov 2012 #251

Speaking for myself Confusious Nov 2012 #258

PLEASE let me know if anyone knows of a good US supplier of this. Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #280

Here you go Turborama Nov 2012 #286

Some cultures eat "helper animals" dynasaw Nov 2012 #127

I said "generally speaking" Confusious Nov 2012 #198

How are cats "helper" animals? MrSlayer Nov 2012 #204

Well, yea Confusious Nov 2012 #206

They help me judge other people. Hissyspit Nov 2012 #233

As long as you limit 'we' to Americans. All those animal you listed are regular menu items all Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #223

For the 1,323th time Confusious Nov 2012 #235

And being wrong 1,323 times still doesn't make you right. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #238

So you are a cuisine expert? Confusious Nov 2012 #257

Depends on culture/location/circumstances. PavePusher Nov 2012 #290

That we should eat dog? Renew Deal Nov 2012 #23

Exactly obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #63

Nothing original about an appeal to emotion Major Nikon Nov 2012 #80

not really, it's unpractical to eat dog.. snooper2 Nov 2012 #92

Even people who eat dog don't eat the family pet Major Nikon Nov 2012 #132

I didn't say they did, I said they would have to be farm raised- snooper2 Nov 2012 #154

I'm just adding to what you wrote Major Nikon Nov 2012 #187

The Aztecs did exactly that nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #210

Lamb is bigger than dog and people eat lamb all the time. Renew Deal Nov 2012 #216

Well said! Doremus Nov 2012 #112

No they're not. Lots of people eat dog. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #113

Well, at least this one avoided Holocaust comparisons. nt Union Scribe Nov 2012 #5

No littlemissmartypants Nov 2012 #7

LOL Lefta Dissenter Nov 2012 #48

PETA reminds me of the NRA Azathoth Nov 2012 #8

Congress knows the diff between PeTA and NRA. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #71

You can publicly oppose PETA and still get re-elected DBoon Nov 2012 #95

Too true jsmirman Nov 2012 #101

True, but that just means PETA isn't doing it as well n/t Azathoth Nov 2012 #189

Because PeTA is largely discredited and politically insignificant. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #270

Moral: political lobbying is more effective than bizarre ads featuring naked women Azathoth Nov 2012 #188

PETA is taking the best approach available. Jim Lane Nov 2012 #190

Attention's one thing. Where have they had results? n/t customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #207

Yes, PETA gets results. Jim Lane Nov 2012 #209

macaque monkeys arely staircase Nov 2012 #262

Can your high IQ explain what is false about the analogy? redgreenandblue Nov 2012 #9

I agree there really is nothing wrong with the analogy! NT Sadiedog Nov 2012 #13

Yup obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #119

Not surprising that you have received no response. For a supposedly liberal message board, Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #224

'your dog' vs 'a turkey' 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #276

Not seeing your point tkmorris Nov 2012 #10

Self satisfaction in unfounded feeling of superiority? JackRiddler Nov 2012 #16

Huh. Actually, I kinda doubt that there are many vegans in Freeperville. Zorra Nov 2012 #11

Let 'em have their tofu turkey and crestnuts... Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #12

+10000000000 glacierbay Nov 2012 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Nov 2012 #15

ozzy fudd the wabbit slayer Fla_Democrat Nov 2012 #247

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Nov 2012 #252

And maybe higher than some here at DU Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #17

Just use the trash button demwing Nov 2012 #33

Much smarter than freepers quaker bill Nov 2012 #20

They are smart RandiFan1290 Nov 2012 #21

So true, and even telling them doesn't stop them. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #225

They love being dramatic and publishing stupid things. Seems dumb to me. I know of no one who.... Logical Nov 2012 #246

I really don't care if somebody elae refuses to eat meat, but they piss me off when they do all RomneyLies Nov 2012 #22

They've done nothing to stop you RandiFan1290 Nov 2012 #24

Their goal is to stop all meat production RomneyLies Nov 2012 #26

lol See #21 RandiFan1290 Nov 2012 #28

Their goal is to persuade people to rethink what they eat and what their Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #55

Maybe they should protest the wild animal shows Confusious Nov 2012 #85

So well said jsmirman Nov 2012 #104

It sure hasn't forced me to rethink my relationship glacierbay Nov 2012 #105

All this ad did for me was to convince me to go out and buy the biggest, fattest, freshly killed RomneyLies Nov 2012 #125

I did not say it changed your mind. It forced you to "re-think". Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #152

It did nothing of the kind. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #196

Re-think implies an original thought. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #226

LOL! Capt. Obvious Nov 2012 #165

So you're basically like JoeyT Nov 2012 #195

I imagine the corollary is true, also LanternWaste Nov 2012 #137

No one want to touch your "come dead hand" demwing Nov 2012 #36

The hazards of posting from a phone RomneyLies Nov 2012 #65

thanks for not getting sweaty, I was just ribbing ya demwing Nov 2012 #91

Bullshit. All they're doing is expressing their beliefs. Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #62

PETA attempts to change the laws to cram their beliefs down everybody's throats RomneyLies Nov 2012 #68

ASPCA Good PeTA Bad william cail Nov 2012 #136

The ASPCA is great. I try to donate to them as much as possiible. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #151

I agree with them, meat is meat. Dog, cow , cat, chicken bowens43 Nov 2012 #32

Dogs are cute demwing Nov 2012 #40

If society every completely broke down RomneyLies Nov 2012 #93

Meh, turkey pretty much sucks anyway quinnox Nov 2012 #34

Always easy to say with a full stomach RandiFan1290 Nov 2012 #37

Still even then, I'd chomp down on some squirrels before I even considered eating a filthy dog quinnox Nov 2012 #43

Your attitude about dogs tells me all I need to know. hobbit709 Nov 2012 #50

oh well quinnox Nov 2012 #52

Yes, I'm a dog person but I don't go around saying I hate cats. hobbit709 Nov 2012 #54

well, I have had bad experiences with dogs quinnox Nov 2012 #56

I've been bitten by cats and dogs. hobbit709 Nov 2012 #61

have you ever been physically attacked by a large dog? quinnox Nov 2012 #70

More than once hobbit709 Nov 2012 #74

Squirrel is great! Fried, stewed, pot pie -- good stuff. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #78

you'd be surprised at what you'll eat when you get hungry enough. hobbit709 Nov 2012 #44

sure, but that is not our situation. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #250

What "ethics"? PavePusher Nov 2012 #294

What is stupid about this? oberliner Nov 2012 #35

PETA has to be outrageous because that's the only way they get attention. hobbit709 Nov 2012 #38

What's wrong with that message? I don't get your point. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #39

I'm allergic to dogs, but not to turkey. So that bird is going down. JoePhilly Nov 2012 #41

YUM! n/t RomneyLies Nov 2012 #72

My mouth is watering for Turkey. nt. glacierbay Nov 2012 #109

Oh, you rotten bastidge.... PavePusher Nov 2012 #295

Maybe you are feeling guilty? Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #42

well, a PETA spokesman has arrived quinnox Nov 2012 #45

best to dismiss that with an eye roll smilie than to look behind the curtain. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #66

didn't realize you were a PETA fan quinnox Nov 2012 #81

I didn't realize your total lack of empathy for non human creatures. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #155

That poster is 100% right -- poultry ranching is horrific obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #73

another PETA fan, eh? quinnox Nov 2012 #82

Count me in too please. aandegoons Nov 2012 #84

you guys are coming out of the woodwork, eh quinnox Nov 2012 #86

True they are not humans. aandegoons Nov 2012 #88

you are really being mealy-mouthed quinnox Nov 2012 #96

Humans have a moral and ethical duty bto be stewards of animals obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #121

"If a human has a soul, then a turkey or a pig or a steer certainly does" alp227 Nov 2012 #241

so by extension you are stating that all of us are "batshit crazy" too. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #156

+10000 big difference NT rDigital Nov 2012 #234

Thanks obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #120

Thoughtful response jsmirman Nov 2012 #108

Because every person pro humane livestock ranching is "fringe" obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #115

This is spot on jsmirman Nov 2012 #107

PETA fan #4 quinnox Nov 2012 #111

Why does it surprise you to find PETA fans here? Beaverhausen Nov 2012 #147

Thank you, Beaverhausen jsmirman Nov 2012 #159

Nope, pretty sure I just think PETA's full of idiots Arkana Nov 2012 #103

Most theists assume a negative reaction to their crazy proclamations 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #278

When will Jasana Nov 2012 #46

Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #211

I would give PETA more of a break IF get the red out Nov 2012 #47

You've been fed a pack of lies. yewberry Nov 2012 #217

PETA perverts "pro life". alp227 Nov 2012 #243

Here we go again... Iggo Nov 2012 #49

Can you help us low-IQ people with how this analogy Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #57

It's my gut feeling that... Iggo Nov 2012 #138

I don't see anything wrong with what PETA said obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #60

Break with traditon. cloudbase Nov 2012 #64

I love PETA! OhZone Nov 2012 #76

A dog is a filthy animal, but at least it's got personality slackmaster Nov 2012 #83

Agriculture does huge damage to animals and ecosystems... Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #87

No - PETA is much cleverer than FR by leaps and bounds DBoon Nov 2012 #89

Long ago, I got banned from PETA after remarking DinahMoeHum Nov 2012 #90

Yeah glacierbay Nov 2012 #114

And rightly so! Sadiedog Nov 2012 #139

I disagree.... PavePusher Nov 2012 #296

Turkeys are cute. I see wild ones all the time. Dash87 Nov 2012 #100

Yes, because eating the family pet is TOTALLY the same as eating a goddamn frozen turkey. Arkana Nov 2012 #102

It really is no different obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #122

You do realize the exact same logic applies to plants, right? jeff47 Nov 2012 #168

I eat as far from my DNA as possible. -nt CrispyQ Nov 2012 #176

Who is talking about souls? 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #279

Yes, because eating the family is the same as eating a turkey. Meat is meat, after that Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #227

If you wouldn't eat a turkey, why are you fine with the mass destruction of Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #117

But I've had dog...not my personal one of course Rex Nov 2012 #123

Wow. Such great wit. HERVEPA Nov 2012 #130

Crazy Talk. RC Nov 2012 #124

Humans are Omnivore! darkangel218 Nov 2012 #128

It is not unnatural in the slightest HERVEPA Nov 2012 #129

Oh please. Like we evolved from apes eating tofu. darkangel218 Nov 2012 #150

Please to not introduce the facts Rex Nov 2012 #265

We didn't evolve from apes, we share common ancestors, but Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #271

Plants are other beings. jeff47 Nov 2012 #170

Now that is funny. Rex Nov 2012 #264

There are lots of behaviors that we have that are "natural" Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #157

Why does this goal not apply to plants? jeff47 Nov 2012 #171

As I stated up thread, for me it is level of consciousness. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #274

Studies have shown a surprising level of awareness in plants jeff47 Nov 2012 #277

experience and reaction are not consciousness. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #305

My point is you've failed to show a lack of consciousness. jeff47 Nov 2012 #308

A properly managed cow pasture can be home to a variety of plant and animal life 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #306

Well for one Drale Nov 2012 #131

Sick! nt Sadiedog Nov 2012 #141

"Long pork".... PavePusher Nov 2012 #297

Actually, your post title sounds like a Teabilly rant to me. byronius Nov 2012 #133

+1000000000 whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #240

This ad is just silly LongHairedCountryBoy Nov 2012 #135

...and your dog thinks the same thing about you. Iggo Nov 2012 #140

No doubt LongHairedCountryBoy Nov 2012 #145

Welcome to DU LongHairedCountryBoy Autumn Nov 2012 #142

Thank you LongHairedCountryBoy Nov 2012 #146

Well when you talk you seem to make a statement Autumn Nov 2012 #182

Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #212

Two reasons Bradical79 Nov 2012 #143

1. Wild turkeys are highly intelligent. PavePusher Nov 2012 #298

Because it is inefficient to raise carnivores for food? Tom Ripley Nov 2012 #144

The point is valid booley Nov 2012 #148

Exactly obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #160

Actually, the problem is the same argument applies to plants jeff47 Nov 2012 #174

yes and no booley Nov 2012 #285

Harry Harper: family 'devastated' at baby boy's pet dog attack death FarCenter Nov 2012 #149

Peta always has the ad campaigns people notice Sunlei Nov 2012 #153

Way too skinny.... PavePusher Nov 2012 #299

Hey Peta, come up with something fun, like making fungus into the shape of a turkey...n/t DearAbby Nov 2012 #158

Because I am smart enough to see the difference between "my" and "a". uppityperson Nov 2012 #164

Darn it! Now I'm craving Jack Russell. dawg Nov 2012 #172

How Dare PETA try to nudge our species towards compassion?!11! superpatriotman Nov 2012 #173

What's compassionate about shredding a living creature with your teeth? jeff47 Nov 2012 #175

Plants don't have a nervous system RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #181

You don't need a central nervous system to feel pain. jeff47 Nov 2012 #183

Reaction =/= pain RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #184

Then what is pain? jeff47 Nov 2012 #186

By your logic... bunnies Nov 2012 #193

And these plants, they're grown in areas 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #281

Fuck PETA, they're not helping at all. MrScorpio Nov 2012 #177

peta strikes again! madrchsod Nov 2012 #178

No but if I were a turkey my dog wouldn't hesitate to eat me Rstrstx Nov 2012 #179

Perfectly reasonable logic, IMO RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #180

Yeah well, you know... that's just like, their opinion, man. n/t DefenseLawyer Nov 2012 #185

Well? bunnies Nov 2012 #191

Does the dog get to eat turkey? Cleita Nov 2012 #194

Idiots... BVictor1 Nov 2012 #202

Oh look it's a turdoggen. Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2012 #205

lol Renew Deal Nov 2012 #215

As soon as the rest of the animal world Berserker Nov 2012 #208

Wish they would have drawn attention to factory poultry farms instead LeftInTX Nov 2012 #213

So, let me ask you, Archae,,, yewberry Nov 2012 #218

I support the right of people to believe in, for instance, ridiculous religious goofiness. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #237

As do I. yewberry Nov 2012 #267

How do you know I eat meat? Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #268

I rolled the dice and won. yewberry Nov 2012 #288

Nice mimosa_bunny Nov 2012 #219

Just not the same treestar Nov 2012 #220

The owner of my stable where I board my horse. One-eye has survived another Thanksgiving, BTW. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #228

I had a chicken as a pet. Hissyspit Nov 2012 #231

you can't get a chicken to come when you call it? treestar Nov 2012 #309

No, that's not the definition of domesticated. Hissyspit Nov 2012 #310

Actually, my brother's family has a pet turkey. PavePusher Nov 2012 #300

Sometimes PETA brings important issues to the forefront liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #222

Good point, PETA, we should not be so quick to dismiss dogs as food animals. Deep13 Nov 2012 #229

It's not the edible-ness. Hissyspit Nov 2012 #232

The logic can be read either way. ... Deep13 Nov 2012 #248

They lost me when they advocated killing stray and feral cats instead of TNR... joeybee12 Nov 2012 #230

How's the dog taste? Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #236

mmmmm Libertas1776 Nov 2012 #239

So then the desire to eat people would make one a genius? whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #242

Actually, as the controversy over Obama eating dog as a child shows LiberalElite Nov 2012 #244

They are as radical as the NRA. Nuts boths of them. People fucking eat meat. We were evolved to.... Logical Nov 2012 #245

I've noticed that people who give themselves vainglorious monikers like whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #254

LOL, wow, no defending PETA just insulting my name? How clever. PETA Sucks! Logical Nov 2012 #260

PETA Rocks! Skip Intro Nov 2012 #255

My Dog fully endorses eating Turkey standingtall Nov 2012 #256

Paul Newman's dog food outfit makes some nice organic turkey, chicken and beef dog food. nt MADem Nov 2012 #284

I don't think so. I don't agree with them but if you have a moral opposition to eating animals RB TexLa Nov 2012 #259

Meh...no. Jamaal510 Nov 2012 #263

I support PETA because they support animals. Bless their hearts! ailsagirl Nov 2012 #266

If you wouldn't easy your prized rosebushes why eat a salad? 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #272

I love PETA threads on DU. flvegan Nov 2012 #287

The only threads on DU I find more entertaining than PETA threads are the ones on Chavez Bad_Ronald Nov 2012 #302

My husband�s family - meat eaters, every one of them - frogmarch Nov 2012 #303