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gab13by13

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81. Too much to take,

Sat Jan 20, 2024, 01:16 PM

Jan 2024

DOJ should have handled the stolen documents case the moment NARA informed it of the theft. DOJ waited until NARA went to it because it didn't have the resources or manpower to do a proper investigation.

Same thing with the Michigan fake electors, Dana Nessel issued a criminal referral, waited 1 year, and when DOJ did nothing, she did the prosecution herself.

Dana Nessel would make a fantastic US AG some day.

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Anyone Hear What Andrew Weissmann Said Last Night? [View all] gab13by13 Jan 2024 OP

I've been right there with you MOMFUDSKI Jan 2024 #1

FBI resisted opening probe into Trump's role in Jan. 6 for more than a year Celerity Jan 2024 #52

The WaPo report is flawed and incomplete Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #67

Bezos owns WAPO SqueakyWheel.363 Jan 2024 #78

Which has nothing to do with the flaws in the report. Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #83

Lol. Marcy, Marcy, Marcy. Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #84

Substance free post Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #88

Single, tired, substance-light source. Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #92

Check out bigtree's lengthy, substantive reply in this thread. Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #95

It's lengthy, sure, but we've seen it before. And if you actually read it, you see that it amounts to Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #99

And yet, everything in that post is True, True, True Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #142

Five interviews. In a year and a half. Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #145

I really appreciate that you didn't cave and quit in the face of that onslaught of irrelevance. jaxexpat Jan 2024 #178

And that was 5 interviews in a year and a half in response TO AN ATTEMPTED COUP!! Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #180

It's absolutely the worse time for the DOJ to practice their miscarriage of justice skills. jaxexpat Jan 2024 #183

That is a beautiful summary. Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #187

Volumes of substantive text, and yet at the end of the day, what is the most vitally important and glaring fact we are msfiddlestix Jan 2024 #184

Who's ignoring icebergs? Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #186

One question. What's wrong with, "in custody awaiting trial."? jaxexpat Jan 2024 #188

The lust for vengeance does not justify pretrial detention Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #189

Okay, so judges believe Trumps rhetoric and the shenanigans of his followers does not justify pretrial detention. jaxexpat Jan 2024 #190

Oh I I think I am facing the realities of our system, every single day this drags on msfiddlestix Jan 2024 #191

Christopher Wray is a Republican and a member of the Federalist Society dlk Jan 2024 #164

Garland "brings the weak sauce." colorado_ufo Jan 2024 #70

Drove me nuts when I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2024 #175

There will still be Garland apologists nt doc03 Jan 2024 #2

It will get much harder to defend a man who enables Trump, and allows him to damage the US. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #7

Garland is still doing it, he hasn't stopped. gab13by13 Jan 2024 #11

Why would Pence and Kushner require Special Counsels? Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #16

Last I checked Hunter Biden is a private citizen, gab13by13 Jan 2024 #23

Hunter is the son of a sitting president Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #42

I don't think she wants your help. triron Jan 2024 #59

Hunter Biden was the son of a private citizen when they opened the investigation into him. Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #89

Special counsel for Hunter wasn't appointed until after Biden was president. Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #93

The investigation was opened when Joe Biden was a private citizen. Where's the investigation into Jared for the Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #94

It would be appropriate, and we don't know that an investigation hasn't been opened. Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #98

Your faith is touching. Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #100

It's just reality Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #101

Since you replied before I was done with my edit, I'll pose my question again: Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #102

I agree that Kushner should be investigated Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #107

There are many reasons why Kushner should be investigated by a Special Prosecutor. flying_wahini Jan 2024 #135

You misunderstand what a special prosecutor does Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #141

kushner was "special counsel to the president" rampartc Jan 2024 #177

Kushner is a private citizen now Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #182

If our democracy falls, Garland bears much of the responsibility. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #17

No, if our democracy fails those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for Hillary in the 2016 general JohnSJ Jan 2024 #35

I wholeheartedly rec this post. The mess with Ralph Nader enabling Bush the Idiot King should've been a warning. NBachers Jan 2024 #46

There were so many warnings. It makes me sick. Even if Gore or Hillary weren't the most ideal candidates, they JohnSJ Jan 2024 #56

Not ideal? triron Jan 2024 #62

From the perspective of some progressives JohnSJ Jan 2024 #68

Maybe we can't blame one or two elections. I recall many dems voting for Reagan. CrispyQ Jan 2024 #133

I am amazed we didn't lose Roe earlier JohnSJ Jan 2024 #157

This ismnotwasm Jan 2024 #61

Gary Johnson took more votes from her than Jill Stein did. StevieM Jan 2024 #87

The Gary Johnson voters would have NEVER voted for Hilllary. Jill Stein voters, or those JohnSJ Jan 2024 #96

I don't agree with your assessment. StevieM Jan 2024 #120

Okay.......and Garland's slow dance to doomsday places 2nd. jaxexpat Jan 2024 #179

He has been a huge disappointment and disastrous for democracy chicoescuela Jan 2024 #41

No. MorbidButterflyTat Jan 2024 #131

Make no mistake, there is more than enough blame to go around. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #143

Mike Pence voluntarily turned them in as soon as he found them Polybius Jan 2024 #55

And, as I always point out, let's not forget the $1.6 billion Jared got from Qatar IN ADDITION to the $2 billion from Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #80

Along with the "Garland-haters," too? Oopsie Daisy Jan 2024 #9

Are Andrew Weissmann and Tim Heaphy Garland haters? gab13by13 Jan 2024 #14

You keep repeating lies Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #18

Then you are calling Andrew Weissmann and Tim Heaphy (lead J6 investigator) liars. gab13by13 Jan 2024 #25

Yes, they are either lying, or you are misquoting them Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #47

Thank you for this and all your other posts in this thread. ShazzieB Jan 2024 #169

Thanks for your kind words Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #170

Sadly, yes. ShazzieB Jan 2024 #172

Mary Trump just made a podcast directly blaming Garland for putting America in great danger. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #21

Aka members of the reality-based community. Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #13

Can you explain why E. Jean Carroll's 2nd Trump defamation lawsuit gab13by13 Jan 2024 #26

Reality is that January 6, 2021 occurred over 3 years ago. PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #117

Excellent point. Thank you. Oopsie Daisy Jan 2024 #118

and some still prop up those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for Hillary in 2016, by either not voting JohnSJ Jan 2024 #40

Garland supporters never apologize. Biden's man was always the man for the moment. ancianita Jan 2024 #156

I heard his remarks... Septua Jan 2024 #3

What Stone, Bannon and others realize, is if you make issues convoluted enough and big enough, DOJ et al dutch777 Jan 2024 #4

Weissmann said just the opposite gab13by13 Jan 2024 #5

And that is why it has taken so long malaise Jan 2024 #8

And Watergate investigation did not have to deal with the whole GOP battling to block it Attilatheblond Jan 2024 #54

What Garland is saying is simply not true. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #6

Weissmann even said gab13by13 Jan 2024 #30

100% guaranteed that if you and I stole boxes of top secret documents and disseminated them, Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #60

Trump was charged with unlawful *retention* of classified documents Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #69

Too much to take, gab13by13 Jan 2024 #81

More falsehoods and misinformation Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #86

So he wasn't possessing them? Those were boxes of girl scout cookies on that stage at Log O' Merde? Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #104

If Trump was indicted for possession, so would Biden and Pence. Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #109

They asked him three times to return them and he assured them they were returned, then had Nauta move Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #112

Which is why they weren't charged with *retention*, and Trump was. Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #126

And Trump WASN'T charged with possession, though what he did exactly meets the criteria Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #146

It didn't exactly meet the criteria Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #149

I Do NOT Think Donald Trump Will Have Been Convicted or Otherwise Eliminated panfluteman Jan 2024 #10

Don't know the astrology, but I agree with everything else in that post. Sadly, I fear you are right Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #105

Appeal to Authority and Confirmation Bias are very seductive fallacies Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #12

I reveal my sources, you do not. gab13by13 Jan 2024 #32

Weird... Ohio Joe Jan 2024 #36

I am a computer troglodyte gab13by13 Jan 2024 #160

So... No source... Ohio Joe Jan 2024 #163

Since you and Nicole have agreed to see other people... Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #63

Like Mueller, Garland was the wrong man for the job. PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #119

THANK YOU. ancianita Jan 2024 #168

Reasonable and cogent analysis. nt sarchasm Jan 2024 #15

Merrick Garland has been a disappointment. Que the folk saying Baltimike Jan 2024 #19

Is it the "truth" that the Justice Dept acted only because the J6 Committee "shamed" them? Martin Eden Jan 2024 #20

It was complicated, to say the least. Septua Jan 2024 #22

Yes, I agree LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #39

This makes sense to me. ShazzieB Jan 2024 #171

It' really an indictment of our legal system. Scruffy1 Jan 2024 #24

It's also an indictment of the political obstruction tactics of congressional Republicans in confirming top DOJ people. ancianita Sep 2024 #192

I stand with Andrew! Hope22 Jan 2024 #27

Interesting! My first thought is " how would you know?" Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2024 #28

Yeah, but think about it: the insurrectionists were 99% MAGA bros chartering in buses from Peoria to raise Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #110

Agree. But was hoping the underlings were told Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2024 #124

Here's the video for those who missed it: Rhiannon12866 Jan 2024 #29

Rhiannon, you rule. Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #113

Thanks! The video is posted for anyone who missed this. And I agree that it was one of the day's best. Rhiannon12866 Jan 2024 #173

it's a baldfaced lie that DOJ just went after 'low level insurrectionists' bigtree Jan 2024 #31

Yeah, but Andrew Weissmann says "Garland is weak" Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #71

I notice the OP avoids these facts Ohio Joe Jan 2024 #106

Thanks for this MorbidButterflyTat Jan 2024 #134

The OP doesn't say "Jack Smith shamed DOJ into acting"... It says the House 1/6 Committee did that Silent3 Jan 2024 #174

I'm really not here to do the groundwork for you, but I am committed to countering these lies bigtree Jan 2024 #181

Here is a direct link to Alex Wagners segment with Andrew Weissmann's last night. Fla Dem Jan 2024 #33

! Time DOES Matter and all of the essentials were so damn predictable, it makes my heart break msfiddlestix Jan 2024 #34

Garland wasn't even confirmed until many months in, because of GOP obstruction! LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #38

Early March 2021 is only a month and a half in. Emile Jan 2024 #43

OK. Still what is the point of criticizing Garland so extensively? What good does it do? LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #45

You lost me with that statement. Emile Jan 2024 #58

Doesn't Garland's (alleged) incompetence reflect badly on Biden? Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #73

Absolutely not. Garland's actions are not Emile Jan 2024 #75

Wasn't Trump ultimately responsible for the incompetence and crimes of his cabinet? Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #82

The president of the United States does not Emile Jan 2024 #85

Who said anything about overseeing investigations? Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #90

Are you trying to discredit Biden? Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #114

I'm only following the logical thread Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #127

No, you're pounding on the same weaselly strawman Garland defenders always fall back Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #148

I'm merely suggesting that Garland bashers stand by their convictions. Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #151

Then by that logic, I'm sure you will be supporting Hawley, Cruz, Rubio, Blackburn and all the Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #153

That is a cheap shot at POTUS Biden and the poster you debate. PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #123

I'm not the one taking cheap shots Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #130

Technically Garland has done nothing wrong and have not seen anyone say Garland is the worse AG ever. PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #144

No, I wasn't accusing that. I just didn't see the point to the criticism. Seems like a waste of energy to me. LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #138

Quite aware of that. Day One wasn't in reference to Biden's first day in office. n/t msfiddlestix Jan 2024 #44

But anyway, it was a month and a half, not "many months." Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #115

it's sickening, yes, but it's impossible to "deal with him" when almost half the country sees him as legitimate. LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #49

the vast majority of the criticisms of Garland are unfair IMHO. It's not his fault the justice system is so slow LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #37

Garland's inaction continues. gab13by13 Jan 2024 #74

it's a fine line to walk to uphold the law and not hinder the freedoms we have under the constitution LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #137

I don't think there is any question that nevergiveup Jan 2024 #48

While the stakes are indeed high, Garland has a long way to go to achieve "worst" status Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #77

If he lets this narcissistic sociopathic fool go free and the fool ends up taking control of our government again nevergiveup Jan 2024 #108

Now that Trump has been indicted, it's not up to Garland whether Trump goes free Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #111

You have been proven 100 percent correct Doc Sportello Jan 2024 #50

Conveniently the OP leaves out the biggest factor why our democracy is at risk, and it isn't because of his repeated JohnSJ Jan 2024 #51

There are many reasons why Hillary lost, gab13by13 Jan 2024 #72

I am NOT fighting the last presidential PRIMARY. I am stating what contributed to losing JohnSJ Jan 2024 #79

JohnSJ is not reliving the 2016 primary mcar Jan 2024 #139

We will know the truth when Trump and corrupt GOP pay the price PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #147

Why Garland? He isn't the SC or the judges trump appointed. He certainly isn't JohnSJ Jan 2024 #158

Give it a break. PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #161

and what makes you think that would change with someone different than Garland? JohnSJ Jan 2024 #166

For a start, an AG that is not GOP. Try a Democrat with fire in the belly. PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #167

Both can be true and both Garland or non Clinton voters took the wrong path uponit7771 Jan 2024 #150

Right? This is silly. These are two completely different topics. Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #162

Once a bad thing has already happened... Silent3 Jan 2024 #176

Tell these judges that Trump murdering them and/or their family would not be a crime Maraya1969 Jan 2024 #53

Biden made a serious mistake nowforever Jan 2024 #57

+1, the DOJ was focused on not pissing MAGA off versus putting every single one of them and their dogs in jail uponit7771 Jan 2024 #152

I just don't know why Garland hasn't been replaced already? ananda Jan 2024 #64

Not sure, but a replacement would need Senate confirmation tinrobot Jan 2024 #91

the man who appointed the Special Counsel who brought two historic felony indictments bigtree Jan 2024 #103

Historians will not be kind to Mr. Garland. Sneederbunk Jan 2024 #65

they will absolutely credit Merrick Garland for his convictions bigtree Jan 2024 #97

+1, but somehow a special counsel is needed for misdemeanor tax and gun process charges !! DOJ is not only uponit7771 Jan 2024 #154

What did the J6 committee do? MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #185

Weissmann then said that it was the J6 committee that shamed DOJ into acting. he used the word shame. republianmushroom Jan 2024 #66

The statute of limitations is quickly expiring - it's only 5 years getagrip_already Jan 2024 #76

Well I've read other articles that stated that it wasn't just Garland's reticence but also Biden's concern Texin Jan 2024 #116

Agreed Snackshack Jan 2024 #121

As have I. Garland is weak. His bird walk may see that orange garbage go on to destroy democracy. onecaliberal Jan 2024 #122

Me thinks there are agitators about. edisdead Jan 2024 #125

I did not want this thread to go off the rails, gab13by13 Jan 2024 #128

If that were true you would address the facts in post 31 Ohio Joe Jan 2024 #132

I addressed post 31 before, gab13by13 Jan 2024 #155

Then cut and paste your reply in again Ohio Joe Jan 2024 #159

"If Trump is convicted, he loses the election." MorbidButterflyTat Jan 2024 #136

Of course, it's an undergound. Hotler Jan 2024 #129

I'm in agreement. At best, DOJ decided on a pyramid structure investigation KPN Jan 2024 #140

Time matters is right. And we are running out of it. If the Orange Anus is on the ballot and wins, this Justice Dept. Evolve Dammit Jan 2024 #165