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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
216. Why are you so intent of playing the victim?
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 10:45 AM
Nov 2012

"Seems to me you would prefer we shut up. "

No one is telling you to shut up. I don't believe anyone is telling me to shut up.

You expressed an opinion, and so did I.

Asking for evidence is not a call to shut up, it's asking for evidence.

Why is that so objectionable?

Let me be the first to K&R Fumesucker Nov 2012 #1
And let me be the 185th. Great post. I see the posse of deniers are here trying to get you to shut rhett o rick Nov 2012 #148
Let me be the 200th! That's what led me to DU, back then. calimary Nov 2012 #157
I didnt figure it out until after the 2004 debacle. Gland to find Air America and DU. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #167
Thom explains what happened in 2004 & what could have happened 2012: Rockyj Nov 2012 #221
Well you have to remember, that they may not be "deniers" at all... rwsanders Nov 2012 #273
WillyT, you are a gem. pacalo Nov 2012 #2
Shh... WillyT Nov 2012 #149
Too late... pacalo Nov 2012 #180
Excellent point. Greybnk48 Nov 2012 #3
+1 sandyshoes17 Nov 2012 #21
Me too! Awknid Nov 2012 #83
I have an Andy Stephenson for Secratary of State button. FogerRox Nov 2012 #139
I remember your name. You used to post quite often. Greybnk48 Nov 2012 #147
HELLO ! ! Yeah, heady days, I lived voting machines for 3 years FogerRox Nov 2012 #159
I remember you too. reusrename Nov 2012 #150
Hi Foger, Melissa G Nov 2012 #234
Hey, MG, yeah like a family :~) FogerRox Nov 2012 #253
Hey Foger !!! - Thanks For Coming Back For This... WillyT Nov 2012 #305
It's offensive as hell. reusrename Nov 2012 #4
When was this site founded? aaaaaa5a Nov 2012 #5
2001 after SCOTUS awarded race to Bush basically nt steve2470 Nov 2012 #11
I found the Top Ten Conservative Idiots early on in '01 ... SomeGuyInEagan Nov 2012 #133
Me, too! kimmylavin Nov 2012 #231
Me too. lark Nov 2012 #243
When Bush was appointed. At his inauguration I saw a banner for this site Autumn Nov 2012 #15
Thanks guys! aaaaaa5a Nov 2012 #30
I found it late in 2001, joined in 2002. Mainly a lurker for many years catbyte Nov 2012 #102
Ditto. Discovered DU in 2001 after Supremes AMBushed U.S. Lurked a bit then joined after '04 Ohio! cyberpj Nov 2012 #222
True American watchdog group, they should be proud . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #34
We were live blogging the oversight hearings minute by minute Coyotl Nov 2012 #50
+1000 orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #55
I saw one of the founders being interviewed on Washington Journal SoCalDem Nov 2012 #232
I think many new people arrive around election times for many reasons... glinda Nov 2012 #127
I understand. I do. n/t HereSince1628 Nov 2012 #6
but this is different rucky Nov 2012 #7
Wait, 2000 actually happened? nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #8
Thank you! Well said! This board is for the DISCUSSION of all political topics. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #9
Bravo! The DU way is not telling people to shut up! aletier_v Nov 2012 #10
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) bestobdii Nov 2012 #169
Right ON! MuseRider Nov 2012 #12
But they need proof , proof I tell ya. I wonder how many are of faith? Do they talk to God? bahrbearian Nov 2012 #13
Not proof. Evidence. There is none. randome Nov 2012 #23
False bigmonkey Nov 2012 #47
Fine. You say you have evidence. Now what? randome Nov 2012 #49
Mitt, is that you? bigmonkey Nov 2012 #61
What I thought. You have not through this through at all. randome Nov 2012 #67
That is a silly thing to say. Self-revelant. Really. byronius Nov 2012 #112
Why are you trying to argue that fraud is possible? We know it is! randome Nov 2012 #119
Uhhhh, push for federally-regulated paper ballots and an absolutely public election process? byronius Nov 2012 #152
"Questions like that"? It's a simple question. randome Nov 2012 #155
Your thought process seems disjointed. byronius Nov 2012 #192
The issue is about election fraud, not voter fraud or as you write it "fraudulent voting" suffragette Nov 2012 #174
You really have to wonder what their agenda is all about? bahrbearian Nov 2012 #79
Who are "they"? bigmonkey Nov 2012 #90
They are the ones who say "there is no evidence" bahrbearian Nov 2012 #118
Can fraudulent voting occur? Yes. randome Nov 2012 #122
Not enought to change an election. bahrbearian Nov 2012 #132
It isn't about voting. It isn't about voters. It is called ELECTION not voter fraud. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #289
Oh, please, stop with the baiting. randome Nov 2012 #291
Please stop with mis characterizing the issue. You've done it multiple times sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #299
good one glinda Nov 2012 #128
Lol, and there you are again! sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #181
i am rather ignorant of the whole discussion truedelphi Nov 2012 #189
This message was self-deleted by its author lark Nov 2012 #247
K & R malaise Nov 2012 #14
Questions DakotaLady Nov 2012 #43
K&R = Kicked and Recommended. n/t = No Text, meaning nothing more than the subject line. randome Nov 2012 #45
Thank you ... DakotaLady Nov 2012 #69
It's in the My Profile link at the top of each page. randome Nov 2012 #70
Damn... You're Actually A Nice Person... WillyT Nov 2012 #110
Time for bed, WillyT. randome Nov 2012 #120
very tippy top of page Maynar Nov 2012 #73
Off to the tippy top ... DakotaLady Nov 2012 #84
Welcome DakotaLady! Change has come Nov 2012 #106
Hear hear! MNBrewer Nov 2012 #16
Remember when we ProSense Nov 2012 #17
Of Course... But I Definitely Do Not Mind The Discussion And The Various Good Points On Either Side WillyT Nov 2012 #24
If that's the case, what's with the "shut up" straw man? ProSense Nov 2012 #29
I'd Have To Name Names... And That Ain't Cool Here At DU... WillyT Nov 2012 #31
If you have to name names, then ProSense Nov 2012 #38
Ok... Fair Enough... Why Are YOU So DRIVEN To Confront/Weigh-In On These Discussions... WillyT Nov 2012 #78
Why are you so intent of playing the victim? ProSense Nov 2012 #216
You're not the one posting "end of story" starroute Nov 2012 #36
'End of story' is another way of saying 'Not enough for me'. randome Nov 2012 #37
We prefer to confront the reality that we live in, not hide from it. reusrename Nov 2012 #109
What are the next steps, then? randome Nov 2012 #113
I'm hoping that I won't have to do a whole lot, other than join the discussion. reusrename Nov 2012 #135
Disagreeing on an anonymous email is hardly 'impeding'. randome Nov 2012 #143
Fine it's not intentional, it's ignorance. I won't argue the point. I don't really care. reusrename Nov 2012 #156
It sure has raised the issue of election fraud, hasn't it? And if that was all sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #262
The Anon claim is stupid, and probably not made by anon. FogerRox Nov 2012 #142
Ohio electronically flipped 65,777 primary votes to Romney. reusrename Nov 2012 #171
By what mechanism that existed in both elections, and could be connected to by AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #182
It was only one election, the March 6 Ohio primary. reusrename Nov 2012 #186
They are claiming (or someone claiming to be anonymous is claiming) to have connected to and AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #257
My brother suspects they hacked the passwords so nobody could log in. reusrename Nov 2012 #280
The machines were not. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #284
If you're referring to the Anonymus hacking claims, being asked for evidence is not jeff47 Nov 2012 #18
"being told to shut up" is ProSense Nov 2012 #22
You would have a point if anyone was arguing that there was evidence. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #264
Anonymous makes it easier for Kos to dismiss the issue. allrevvedup Nov 2012 #281
If this was Anonymous, they have a record to prove that when they say sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #282
Video: "We will turn over all this data allrevvedup Nov 2012 #283
Lol, you lost me at Assange is a Romney lover' or whatever that was. He hates sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #286
Assange: “It’s better to have a sheep in wolf’s clothing [ROMNEY] allrevvedup Nov 2012 #287
KNR Lucinda Nov 2012 #19
K&R WillyT louslobbs Nov 2012 #20
Thank you! Punkingal Nov 2012 #25
Halle-fucking-luja! Raster Nov 2012 #26
I'm relatively new, but still, I'm with you! Squinch Nov 2012 #104
I made a "joke" about Anonymous and the Hacking, BUT... liberalmuse Nov 2012 #27
What YOU said.. And anyone who's curious, and would like annabanana Nov 2012 #28
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - And Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2012 #32
I was here through the 2004 election and I remember Bev Harris + Black Box Voting very well. Hyper_Eye Nov 2012 #33
Well reasoned. Thank you. Coyotl Nov 2012 #54
Exactly riverSdawn Nov 2012 #75
Thanks for that. I don't believe in the rapture, no matter what it's called. freshwest Nov 2012 #162
We are rich in fallout, WillyT yellerpup Nov 2012 #35
Thank you. bleever Nov 2012 #39
gosh it's good to see you still here bleever denese Nov 2012 #111
Hard to believe that it was eight years ago! bleever Nov 2012 #267
this was the one true place I could find sanity CatWoman Nov 2012 #40
Me Too... WillyT Nov 2012 #42
WOW! Carolina Nov 2012 #93
Oh those dark days...DU gave me safe haven. myrna minx Nov 2012 #116
yes. refuge from madness. even when lurking. CrazyOrangeCat Nov 2012 #121
heres a couple of oldies FogerRox Nov 2012 #146
Election Reform is where I picked up most of my posts. It's great MelissaB Nov 2012 #238
Excellent post CatWoman! Couldn't have said it better. Window Nov 2012 #153
The only elections that can be stolen are the ones with opportunity to steal them Coyotl Nov 2012 #41
Spot on Coyotl riverSdawn Nov 2012 #82
where heaven05 Nov 2012 #103
Not having proof does not mean not being able to discuss starroute Nov 2012 #44
THANK YOU !!! WillyT Nov 2012 #48
And no one is. It's a straw man argument. randome Nov 2012 #51
Here's the flaw in that logic: ProSense Nov 2012 #56
you heaven05 Nov 2012 #108
"Keep up the good fight"? What are you fighting for? randome Nov 2012 #115
I heaven05 Nov 2012 #125
But you'd rather I did a search instead of answering my question. randome Nov 2012 #131
Not to quibble, but Ineeda Nov 2012 #217
Two names: Keith Olbermann and Bev Harris ProSense Nov 2012 #211
ohhh heaven05 Nov 2012 #214
But did you know ProSense Nov 2012 #215
that's it? heaven05 Nov 2012 #220
Are you really comparing Bev Harris to Anonymous? starroute Nov 2012 #218
No, I'm comparing ProSense Nov 2012 #223
Anonymous are "Wacko" ? NorthCarolina Nov 2012 #226
That was ProSense Nov 2012 #246
K and R'd to the nth degree... Bennyboy Nov 2012 #46
Mee TOO! Plucketeer Nov 2012 #58
The 2000 election was "stolen" by tens of thousands of legitimate voters being purged from the rolls RomneyLies Nov 2012 #52
Indeed, pay attention to where there are real opportunities to steal elections Coyotl Nov 2012 #60
I am doubtful that the Rebubs limit their methods to just a handful..... glinda Nov 2012 #138
Interesting... Could You Expand On That ??? WillyT Nov 2012 #65
Had the voter rolls not been purged, mostly of African Americans RomneyLies Nov 2012 #87
That's not quite what happened. reusrename Nov 2012 #177
You are conflating two issues Coyotl Nov 2012 #195
You're correct, the two issues are intentionally conflated. reusrename Nov 2012 #213
K&R TomClash Nov 2012 #53
I don't want you to shut up--I want you to talk more, and show us the evidence. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #57
Maybe I've been asleep, but I haven't seen anyone say to shut up about it. TroglodyteScholar Nov 2012 #59
Apparently insisting on evidence is the same thing as being told to shut up. randome Nov 2012 #63
Thank you WillyT. Well said. K&R'd Matariki Nov 2012 #62
+1 Divine Discontent Nov 2012 #183
Thanks for reminding everyone liberal N proud Nov 2012 #64
Hear, hear! You tell em Willy T. juajen Nov 2012 #66
:hug: WillyT Nov 2012 #68
Heah, heah, good sire! nt morningglory Nov 2012 #71
Wish I knew about you all back then... EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #72
I didn't find DU until after the 2004 election suffragette Nov 2012 #175
It's a lovely petticoat. Never be ashamed DevonRex Nov 2012 #74
That's exactly why I came here. byronius Nov 2012 #76
+ 200 brazillion! notadmblnd Nov 2012 #77
Well said... femrap Nov 2012 #80
right on proud patriot Nov 2012 #81
Shhh... WillyT Nov 2012 #85
Can I steal this thread? nt OhZone Nov 2012 #86
Be My Guest... WillyT Nov 2012 #97
Bravo. well said. K and R. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2012 #88
shut up just pisses me off heaven05 Nov 2012 #89
I love your post felix_numinous Nov 2012 #91
And to see Kos weighing in was just the icing on the cake. Did you know sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #92
And did you also notice that Markos has become a multimillionaire, while poor Dave hasn't Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #166
Oh people have thought about it. Especially since when he began sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #176
Did you know this sabrina? Autumn Nov 2012 #256
I know, it blew a lot of us away when we found that out also Autumn. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #266
That sure does explain a lot. Autumn Nov 2012 #270
Kos answers to a higher authority... Octafish Nov 2012 #204
Well I'll be damned. How about that. Autumn Nov 2012 #240
Wow! MelissaB Nov 2012 #241
Is that verified???? That should be a stand alone OP since Autumn Nov 2012 #245
The page has at least one error...George Walker Bush was born in New Haven, Connecticut. Octafish Nov 2012 #248
Yes they do. They are also the inventors, or at least the promoters of sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #269
That he gets away with it shows whose side he's on. Octafish Nov 2012 #285
Right on. Thanks. (nt) enough Nov 2012 #94
K & R AzDar Nov 2012 #95
Thank you Willy T. Kicking. n/t Hotler Nov 2012 #96
Amazing that newbies are trying to dictate this board. Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #98
It's not just 'newbies" my friend. 99Forever Nov 2012 #207
True, but they are still in the minority, so there is that! sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #298
Approve! blackspade Nov 2012 #99
One additional "oddity" -- Some conspiratorial Repugs now push the false meme ... HuckleB Nov 2012 #100
*Exactly* so. And it fancies itself an "Underground" still, too. villager Nov 2012 #101
As a charter (and founding) member of the Grassy Knoll Society ,,, TahitiNut Nov 2012 #105
Ah, good old LIHOP. byronius Nov 2012 #107
Rock On, WillyT! CrazyOrangeCat Nov 2012 #114
Agree...enough with the hectoring Iwillnevergiveup Nov 2012 #117
Well said! If for nothing else than for Andy...we can not forget and we must be vigilant emsimon33 Nov 2012 #123
new to DU leanforward Nov 2012 #124
No one is telling anyone to shut up about fraudulent voting. randome Nov 2012 #129
Curiouser & Curiouser Caretha Nov 2012 #209
You are correct. I had my terms wrong. randome Nov 2012 #224
And a hearty welcome to DU! n/t truedelphi Nov 2012 #190
Where in the hell is Mad Hound? The Hound has been quiet of late. Wil, you're right, no one should bluestate10 Nov 2012 #126
You really nailed it, WillyT... BRAVO!! ailsagirl Nov 2012 #130
You tell 'em FailureToCommunicate Nov 2012 #134
Agree. I have been here since 04 although LukeFL Nov 2012 #136
Those who make claims should evidence. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #137
I'm with you! garthranzz Nov 2012 #140
well here`s my.... madrchsod Nov 2012 #141
k&r... spanone Nov 2012 #144
Agreed. K & R davidthegnome Nov 2012 #145
But if you can't prove it, you aren't even allowed to think it. Cobalt Violet Nov 2012 #151
You can't prove that. byronius Nov 2012 #154
But IT'S NADER'S FAULT!!! OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #158
Darn right...if you can't abide discussions of potential election fraud... farmbo Nov 2012 #160
meh Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #161
We didn't need Ohio, so it's not an either / or situation bettyellen Nov 2012 #179
And that's another major flaw... Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #184
I believe they were talking about three states but Ohio bettyellen Nov 2012 #185
I think this site was actually heree during the 2000 election season. beyurslf Nov 2012 #163
What an inconvenient observation. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #164
Hear Hear k/r thank you Tribetime Nov 2012 #165
Leave symbols to the SIMPLE minded. Fearless Nov 2012 #168
K&R! Lugnut Nov 2012 #170
K&R laundry_queen Nov 2012 #172
WillyT? Zorra Nov 2012 #173
Well said, WillyT, well said. suffragette Nov 2012 #178
2012 WAS stolen, by GOP gerrymandering of congressional districts. Sirveri Nov 2012 #187
Very good point. After all, there was more than one election truedelphi Nov 2012 #191
that's generally how it works. Rig it so you always win, then keep rigging it. Sirveri Nov 2012 #197
254th KnR. Yeah, those were the days Hekate Nov 2012 #188
If anyone can get into the early2003 Archives,there's a long thread on voting system integrity flaws Hekate Nov 2012 #193
It would be wonderful if you made this an OP (if you haven't already). antigone382 Nov 2012 #274
Thank you, well said! Here's the thing I don't get . . . markpkessinger Nov 2012 #194
Here's the thing that I don't get. gkhouston Nov 2012 #237
and that's how and why I found it. onethatcares Nov 2012 #196
I actually think we should push this meme PuraVidaDreamin Nov 2012 #198
Du was a very different place back then. JVS Nov 2012 #199
I think it's more likely than not Rove had something up his sleeve. Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #200
Thanks, Willie Berlum Nov 2012 #201
Even if I don't agree, you have the right to say it here. That's what makes DU worth keeping! leveymg Nov 2012 #202
HUGE k&r Willy! TheUnspeakable Nov 2012 #203
Tell it! Tutonic Nov 2012 #205
Thank You, n/t CRH Nov 2012 #206
The real massive threat Augiedog Nov 2012 #208
unanimous response to a stupid alert Demonaut Nov 2012 #210
Thanks For The Heads-Up, Demonaut !!! WillyT Nov 2012 #294
you're welcome, I thought you should know only after I saw it was unanimous Demonaut Nov 2012 #297
K&R x a million. 99Forever Nov 2012 #212
K & R Willy T lonestarnot Nov 2012 #219
love you WillyT!! nashville_brook Nov 2012 #225
Rec # 325 JustAnotherGen Nov 2012 #227
5 to 4 Octafish Nov 2012 #228
That's not a good reason to imagine that the Rs have tried to steal stopbush Nov 2012 #229
WillyT! whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #230
Can we please differentiate... gcomeau Nov 2012 #233
No, ProSense Nov 2012 #236
Ah, silly me. -eom gcomeau Nov 2012 #249
It isn't the claim that is what has people scratching their heads. That would sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #288
What do you mean when you say, "but in the way they had hoped." Major Hogwash Nov 2012 #290
Sorry, I meant 'NOT in the way they had hoped'! sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #301
Yes, of course, the conspiracy of DUers to deny you your optimism. randome Nov 2012 #292
I want to BELIEVE nothing. I want to KNOW why sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #296
+1 "Especially observing WHO is the most upset. Same old players. Zorra Nov 2012 #295
Excellent, excellent post Zorra. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #300
"I guess what it means is that the Third Way has succeeded in infiltrating Zorra Nov 2012 #304
I received an anonymous email saying a small number of DUers need to be suppressed victims. great white snark Nov 2012 #235
K&R. Of course it was. woo me with science Nov 2012 #239
I dearly appreciate this OP! arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #242
amen...from an old-time evilduer...n/t BlueCollar Nov 2012 #244
WILLYT ROCKS!!!! warrprayer Nov 2012 #250
No. 361 K&R! midnight Nov 2012 #251
Ralph Nader perpetuated the single greatest lie on America. NO Gore & Bush were NOT the same graham4anything Nov 2012 #252
Who's telling you to shut up? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #254
gotta read the thread, Scooty! warrprayer Nov 2012 #260
Jesus christ. Scootaloo Nov 2012 #261
It will be worth it warrprayer Nov 2012 #263
great post! & let's not forget MIchael Connell, Rep IT specialist about to give testimony, who died Bill USA Nov 2012 #255
RIP Andy! sellitman Nov 2012 #258
Many of us Johnny Come Latelys warrprayer Nov 2012 #259
Andy's story is wrapped up in our hatred for electronic voting machines and is an important one Hekate Nov 2012 #268
Here is a good start sellitman Nov 2012 #293
I'm very sorry warrprayer Nov 2012 #302
K&R! redqueen Nov 2012 #265
Election theft deniers are similar to Climate Change deniers Doctor_J Nov 2012 #271
Exactly! Kos is an election fraud denier who banned any discussion of it sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #277
You have to believe that 8-10 swing state Repuke governors independently Doctor_J Nov 2012 #279
And lettuce not forget the previous site was founded over a stolen erection. RedCloud Nov 2012 #272
Hugs and <3 to you, Willy T! n/t Duval Nov 2012 #275
Thank you for saying this. Marrah_G Nov 2012 #276
And I was conceived as a result of a late night drunk bender jberryhill Nov 2012 #278
K&R HopeHoops Nov 2012 #303
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