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Mossfern

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144. I think he meant that Hamas

Sat Jan 27, 2024, 08:47 PM

Jan 2024

was using the Israeli hostages as "bargaining chips." And that is exactly what they are doing. It's Hamas that is dehumanizing Israelis.

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Hamas said to reject Israeli offer of two-month pause in war for release of hostages [View all] Mosby Jan 2024 OP

Why would they accept that? Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #1

A two month break? Mosby Jan 2024 #2

The only bargaining chip they have is the hostages. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #3

They slaughtered people in Israel and took hostages JI7 Jan 2024 #7

If Hamas wanted to avoid slaughter, perhaps they shouldn't have started this Amishman Jan 2024 #46

The hostage are human beings mcar Jan 2024 #58

Mahalo for Pointing that out to the Poster Cha Jan 2024 #66

The dehumanization of these people is disgusting mcar Jan 2024 #68

Yeah.. Isreael is the one Offering Humanitarian Cha Jan 2024 #72

That's rich. AloeVera Jan 2024 #97

Human Shields is what the ICC calls them. Coventina Jan 2024 #102

Using the human shield statute as an excuse for indiscriminate bombing, which is also a war crime, is the issue. AloeVera Jan 2024 #111

If you think what the IDF is doing is indiscriminate, that tells me Coventina Jan 2024 #119

Worse than Mariupol. AloeVera Jan 2024 #121

This is clearly not something that we will not agree upon, as I do not see it as you do. Coventina Jan 2024 #123

Two points of agreement! And a question. AloeVera Jan 2024 #137

I think that Hamas was counting Mossfern Jan 2024 #145

Hamas uses them as human shields mcar Jan 2024 #108

See my response #111 above. AloeVera Jan 2024 #112

I think he meant that Hamas Mossfern Jan 2024 #144

Why Should the Gang Rapist Butchers of HAMAS GET A Cha Jan 2024 #60

So, just to be clear, you think Hamas will accept this offer? Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #69

I know this.. the Palestinians Would love to have 2 months of Cha Jan 2024 #74

So we agree that the offer is a non-starter. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #76

I Don't "agree" with you on anything. Cha Jan 2024 #80

Oh. My mistake. So you think Hamas will agree to this. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #84

Hamas Will 'Accept' No Offer But Israel's Surrender The Magistrate Jan 2024 #81

They would likely accept a permanent ceasefire Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #83

Bullshit: There Is No 'Permanent' Cease-Fire Absent Conclusive Defeat Of One Side Or the Other The Magistrate Jan 2024 #89

The slaughter was in large part because of the taken and kept hostages. You're really ok with that? elias7 Jan 2024 #105

Hamas are war criminals. former9thward Jan 2024 #113

Right, but obviously not generous enough for the Hamas fan club. tritsofme Jan 2024 #4

Indeed. The masks are translucent at this point. BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #13

This thread has been enlightening AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #51

It's mind boggling mcar Jan 2024 #59

So concerned about their citizens, Hamas clearly is. NoRethugFriends Jan 2024 #5

Obviously they aren't. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #40

For real? jimfields33 Jan 2024 #6

And that the "Ceasefire Now" crowd isn't interested in the hostages' return AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #8

As we've seen in this thread, that crowd has literally morphed into explicit supporters of Hamas tritsofme Jan 2024 #11

Rgith.. so Cha Jan 2024 #79

That is patently untrue and you know it. Chainfire Jan 2024 #42

So you believe Israel are terrorists AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #45

Yes, they are writing a new chapter in the book on terrorism in Gaza. Chainfire Jan 2024 #48

So please explain to me what Israel should do to get rid of Hamas? Coventina Jan 2024 #73

Civilians die in urban conflicts... Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #118

But not at this ratio. AloeVera Jan 2024 #122

Every war is different Arazi Jan 2024 #127

Or what, Arazi? AloeVera Jan 2024 #131

It's not personal Arazi Jan 2024 #132

The "ratios" are a BS talking point. Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #130

"I don't know of anything recent coming close." EX500rider Jan 2024 #134

If, on Oct 7, Hamas had butchered, raped and abducted a few thousand more Israelis, would that be an acceptable ratio? WDLAL Jan 2024 #135

That's uncalled for and offensive. AloeVera Jan 2024 #136

It Is Neither Uncalled For Nor Offensive The Magistrate Jan 2024 #140

Hard to provide simple answers to your questions. AloeVera Jan 2024 #141

It Was Made Brutally Simple On October 7, Sir The Magistrate Jan 2024 #157

Absolutely. AloeVera Jan 2024 #126

I just came back after Goddessartist Jan 2024 #128

I stand with the Palestinian people too. AloeVera Jan 2024 #138

I am grateful, Goddessartist Jan 2024 #139

You are lucky to have known her. AloeVera Jan 2024 #143

Yes. Goddessartist Jan 2024 #153

It started that way and not much has changed in 100 years. AloeVera Jan 2024 #156

Hopefully it will come Goddessartist Jan 2024 #159

Maybe claudette Jan 2024 #29

And clearly announced no state for Palestinians. AloeVera Jan 2024 #94

Actually for real?? AloeVera Jan 2024 #98

One thing you don't understand is of Gaza goes it alone, jimfields33 Jan 2024 #101

There are gas wells off the coast of Gaza worth billions questionseverything Jan 2024 #103

That's great. Why not start now? jimfields33 Jan 2024 #104

Because Israel has them on lockdown questionseverything Jan 2024 #109

Gaza borders Egypt. Mosby Jan 2024 #110

The rich Arab nations have sat on their hands for decades Coventina Jan 2024 #120

I believe they are supported by international aid. AloeVera Jan 2024 #107

"They would be more self-sufficient if they had their own state.." EX500rider Jan 2024 #133

Honestly ..... Mossfern Jan 2024 #146

You may be right. AloeVera Jan 2024 #147

Only one side ever had a state, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #148

I don't agree Mossfern Jan 2024 #149

If Israel wants to be left alone... AloeVera Jan 2024 #150

I do agree with you regarding the settlements in the West Bank Mossfern Jan 2024 #154

So, your objection is that the offer isn't a permanent end to the incursion? maxsolomon Jan 2024 #9

My objection is that it is a non-starter. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #75

Then Hamas should counter offer. maxsolomon Jan 2024 #78

This response is..... curious..... Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #10

It's pretty simple. They want Hamas to have no restrictions on killing Jews, but also prohibit any response from Israel. tritsofme Jan 2024 #12

Uh no, I personally want the hostages released and Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #17

You are using logic. AloeVera Jan 2024 #99

A permanent ceasefire would work. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #15

There was a permanent ceasefire. Hamas broke it on Oct 7, and subsequently. yardwork Jan 2024 #16

Nah, there was a permanent state of low level Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #19

So to be clear... you are FINE.... Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #23

lol. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #24

So you find the pain of rape victims lol-worthy? Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #25

Nope. I find the endless 'if you don't agree with me you support rape' laughable. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #37

That's Not What Anyone Says, Dear The Magistrate Jan 2024 #90

What a truly repulsive response to a rape survivor's father's pain. yardwork Jan 2024 #35

The 'rape survivor's father' accused me of supporting rape. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #38

Rape is never laughable. yardwork Jan 2024 #85

Lol. Not what I said, of course. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #88

Your subject line is literally "lol" yardwork Jan 2024 #91

They're becoming more and more like the Hamas monsters they so admire. tritsofme Jan 2024 #39

Fer fuck's sake Redleg Jan 2024 #65

You respond to a post about a daughter's rape with "lol?" mcar Jan 2024 #61

Would it? Of course not. And you know it. Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #20

Why is it pretty clear they are not going to eliminate Hamas? EX500rider Jan 2024 #49

I thought it was kind of odd a few days ago AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #55

Yeah for a urban environment fighting non-uniformed opponents they are doing better job EX500rider Jan 2024 #63

GD Fucking BUTCHERING HAMAS SHOULD ACCEPT Cha Jan 2024 #53

It's a legitimate offer mcar Jan 2024 #57

Fuck GD HAMAS.. fucking Butchers.. Good on Israsel Cha Jan 2024 #71

Testimony from two of the hostages. Mosby Jan 2024 #14

Where is the UN? yardwork Jan 2024 #18

Meh (((they))) are the bad guys, remember? Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #21

Fairly evident that the US Govt cares about Jewish people. maxsolomon Jan 2024 #22

Is that claudette Jan 2024 #30

Good to know who believes terrorists and not their victims AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #47

Since they were Hamas hostages why would I not believe them? EX500rider Jan 2024 #52

So you don't believe the words of actual hostages mcar Jan 2024 #62

I Believe it.. AND HAMAS Started this SHIT and NOW Cha Jan 2024 #82

Wow, as I live and breathe, you seem to believe the Hamas rapists over the actual hostage's accounts MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #117

If Hamas agreed ti this, the pasue would be permanent Johnny2X2X Jan 2024 #26

It should be claudette Jan 2024 #27

So hamas can rebuild and do 10/7 all over again? great plan which means many more dead Palestinians in the long run EX500rider Jan 2024 #64

TALK to GD HAMAS THEN!! They're the ONES Who STARTED Cha Jan 2024 #93

And the usual pro-Pal gang is silent... Arazi Jan 2024 #28

They're not silent AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #77

Well I'm a Pro-Palestinian Jew. Not sure what I'm supposed to post here. I'm not a Hamas supporter if that's Nanjeanne Jan 2024 #92

Thanks Arazi Jan 2024 #100

As opposed to the Anti-Pal gang? Goddessartist Jan 2024 #129

Not sure "Hey, let everybody go so we can kill you all" was ever much of a serious offer Prairie Gates Jan 2024 #31

Who says they were going to "kill your all" AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #32

What happens when they resume the fighting? Prairie Gates Jan 2024 #33

So you don't think Hamas should be eliminated? AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #34

LOL Prairie Gates Jan 2024 #41

Lol - kidnapped Israelis are funny! AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author Prairie Gates Jan 2024 #44

It's horrible. We're watching dehumanization in real time. yardwork Jan 2024 #87

It's a nice thought. atreides1 Jan 2024 #70

And, Why the HELL Not Eradicate the Terrorist Cha Jan 2024 #95

That's what war is. One side is destroyed or they surrender Arazi Jan 2024 #36

So... you think Hamas should keep its Israeli hostages? maxsolomon Jan 2024 #56

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This message was self-deleted by its author EX500rider Jan 2024 #54

I didn't see the post you're responding to before it was removed. yardwork Jan 2024 #86

It is obvious that Israel is not the one refusing a ceasefire. keithbvadu2 Jan 2024 #67

Because if they revealed they are all dead, there is no longer a bargaining chip? ColinC Jan 2024 #96

That is my fear..hostages may not be alive and that's why the rejection to the offer. Deuxcents Jan 2024 #151

Or have been treated so horribly that releasing them will be a huge PR hit & infuriate the IDF even more EX500rider Jan 2024 #155

Accepting would be the right decision. Hamas would never do that. Turbineguy Jan 2024 #106

Looks like you missed the big news of the week. AloeVera Jan 2024 #125

It seems more than a few people sarisataka Jan 2024 #114

Yup, there never was a concern for the Hostages by the anti Israel side JI7 Jan 2024 #124

this is what i seem to see out there...... Takket Jan 2024 #115

You missed a line sarisataka Jan 2024 #116

TY & 2 Sides For a Cha Jan 2024 #142

Much like Trump and the boarder, hamas wants the issue more than the peace bottomofthehill Jan 2024 #152

KICK Cha Jan 2024 #158