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AloeVera

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150. If Israel wants to be left alone...
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 12:36 AM
Jan 2024

It should get the 700,000+ illegal settlers off Palestinian lands and end the brutal occupation as the first step to a lasting an prosperous peace.

How likely is that to happen under the current regime in Israel or given the Israeli public's support for that? I think you know it's not very likely. So I can ask the same question: does Israel really want peace?

I admire your optimistic take but I really don't think it's very realistic. Even if the war ended tomorrow, there is no way towards peace without Israel making some concessions and I don't see that happening. All I see happening now is that Gazans will be forced off their small strip of land because it's no longer fit for human habitation. And I am very angry and discouraged about that.

As for the flip-flop/combat boots comparison, it's symbolic of the asymmetry but also meant to point out that the fear of Hamas killing all Jews, though understandable, is not borne out by reality. In real life, far more Palestinians are killed and are living in fear as well. But living in fear is intolerable so maybe it's time to face the fact that peace comes at a cost for both sides.

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Why would they accept that? Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #1
A two month break? Mosby Jan 2024 #2
The only bargaining chip they have is the hostages. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #3
They slaughtered people in Israel and took hostages JI7 Jan 2024 #7
If Hamas wanted to avoid slaughter, perhaps they shouldn't have started this Amishman Jan 2024 #46
The hostage are human beings mcar Jan 2024 #58
Mahalo for Pointing that out to the Poster Cha Jan 2024 #66
The dehumanization of these people is disgusting mcar Jan 2024 #68
Yeah.. Isreael is the one Offering Humanitarian Cha Jan 2024 #72
That's rich. AloeVera Jan 2024 #97
Human Shields is what the ICC calls them. Coventina Jan 2024 #102
Using the human shield statute as an excuse for indiscriminate bombing, which is also a war crime, is the issue. AloeVera Jan 2024 #111
If you think what the IDF is doing is indiscriminate, that tells me Coventina Jan 2024 #119
Worse than Mariupol. AloeVera Jan 2024 #121
This is clearly not something that we will not agree upon, as I do not see it as you do. Coventina Jan 2024 #123
Two points of agreement! And a question. AloeVera Jan 2024 #137
I think that Hamas was counting Mossfern Jan 2024 #145
Hamas uses them as human shields mcar Jan 2024 #108
See my response #111 above. AloeVera Jan 2024 #112
I think he meant that Hamas Mossfern Jan 2024 #144
Why Should the Gang Rapist Butchers of HAMAS GET A Cha Jan 2024 #60
So, just to be clear, you think Hamas will accept this offer? Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #69
I know this.. the Palestinians Would love to have 2 months of Cha Jan 2024 #74
So we agree that the offer is a non-starter. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #76
I Don't "agree" with you on anything. Cha Jan 2024 #80
Oh. My mistake. So you think Hamas will agree to this. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #84
Hamas Will 'Accept' No Offer But Israel's Surrender The Magistrate Jan 2024 #81
They would likely accept a permanent ceasefire Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #83
Bullshit: There Is No 'Permanent' Cease-Fire Absent Conclusive Defeat Of One Side Or the Other The Magistrate Jan 2024 #89
The slaughter was in large part because of the taken and kept hostages. You're really ok with that? elias7 Jan 2024 #105
Hamas are war criminals. former9thward Jan 2024 #113
Right, but obviously not generous enough for the Hamas fan club. tritsofme Jan 2024 #4
Indeed. The masks are translucent at this point. BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #13
This thread has been enlightening AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #51
It's mind boggling mcar Jan 2024 #59
So concerned about their citizens, Hamas clearly is. NoRethugFriends Jan 2024 #5
Obviously they aren't. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #40
For real? jimfields33 Jan 2024 #6
And that the "Ceasefire Now" crowd isn't interested in the hostages' return AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #8
As we've seen in this thread, that crowd has literally morphed into explicit supporters of Hamas tritsofme Jan 2024 #11
Rgith.. so Cha Jan 2024 #79
That is patently untrue and you know it. Chainfire Jan 2024 #42
So you believe Israel are terrorists AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #45
Yes, they are writing a new chapter in the book on terrorism in Gaza. Chainfire Jan 2024 #48
So please explain to me what Israel should do to get rid of Hamas? Coventina Jan 2024 #73
Civilians die in urban conflicts... Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #118
But not at this ratio. AloeVera Jan 2024 #122
Every war is different Arazi Jan 2024 #127
Or what, Arazi? AloeVera Jan 2024 #131
It's not personal Arazi Jan 2024 #132
The "ratios" are a BS talking point. Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #130
"I don't know of anything recent coming close." EX500rider Jan 2024 #134
If, on Oct 7, Hamas had butchered, raped and abducted a few thousand more Israelis, would that be an acceptable ratio? WDLAL Jan 2024 #135
That's uncalled for and offensive. AloeVera Jan 2024 #136
It Is Neither Uncalled For Nor Offensive The Magistrate Jan 2024 #140
Hard to provide simple answers to your questions. AloeVera Jan 2024 #141
It Was Made Brutally Simple On October 7, Sir The Magistrate Jan 2024 #157
Absolutely. AloeVera Jan 2024 #126
I just came back after Goddessartist Jan 2024 #128
I stand with the Palestinian people too. AloeVera Jan 2024 #138
I am grateful, Goddessartist Jan 2024 #139
You are lucky to have known her. AloeVera Jan 2024 #143
Yes. Goddessartist Jan 2024 #153
It started that way and not much has changed in 100 years. AloeVera Jan 2024 #156
Hopefully it will come Goddessartist Jan 2024 #159
Maybe claudette Jan 2024 #29
And clearly announced no state for Palestinians. AloeVera Jan 2024 #94
Actually for real?? AloeVera Jan 2024 #98
One thing you don't understand is of Gaza goes it alone, jimfields33 Jan 2024 #101
There are gas wells off the coast of Gaza worth billions questionseverything Jan 2024 #103
That's great. Why not start now? jimfields33 Jan 2024 #104
Because Israel has them on lockdown questionseverything Jan 2024 #109
Gaza borders Egypt. Mosby Jan 2024 #110
The rich Arab nations have sat on their hands for decades Coventina Jan 2024 #120
I believe they are supported by international aid. AloeVera Jan 2024 #107
"They would be more self-sufficient if they had their own state.." EX500rider Jan 2024 #133
Honestly ..... Mossfern Jan 2024 #146
You may be right. AloeVera Jan 2024 #147
Only one side ever had a state, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #148
I don't agree Mossfern Jan 2024 #149
If Israel wants to be left alone... AloeVera Jan 2024 #150
I do agree with you regarding the settlements in the West Bank Mossfern Jan 2024 #154
So, your objection is that the offer isn't a permanent end to the incursion? maxsolomon Jan 2024 #9
My objection is that it is a non-starter. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #75
Then Hamas should counter offer. maxsolomon Jan 2024 #78
This response is..... curious..... Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #10
It's pretty simple. They want Hamas to have no restrictions on killing Jews, but also prohibit any response from Israel. tritsofme Jan 2024 #12
Uh no, I personally want the hostages released and Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #17
You are using logic. AloeVera Jan 2024 #99
A permanent ceasefire would work. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #15
There was a permanent ceasefire. Hamas broke it on Oct 7, and subsequently. yardwork Jan 2024 #16
Nah, there was a permanent state of low level Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #19
So to be clear... you are FINE.... Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #23
lol. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #24
So you find the pain of rape victims lol-worthy? Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #25
Nope. I find the endless 'if you don't agree with me you support rape' laughable. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #37
That's Not What Anyone Says, Dear The Magistrate Jan 2024 #90
What a truly repulsive response to a rape survivor's father's pain. yardwork Jan 2024 #35
The 'rape survivor's father' accused me of supporting rape. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #38
Rape is never laughable. yardwork Jan 2024 #85
Lol. Not what I said, of course. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #88
Your subject line is literally "lol" yardwork Jan 2024 #91
They're becoming more and more like the Hamas monsters they so admire. tritsofme Jan 2024 #39
Fer fuck's sake Redleg Jan 2024 #65
You respond to a post about a daughter's rape with "lol?" mcar Jan 2024 #61
Would it? Of course not. And you know it. Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #20
Why is it pretty clear they are not going to eliminate Hamas? EX500rider Jan 2024 #49
I thought it was kind of odd a few days ago AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #55
Yeah for a urban environment fighting non-uniformed opponents they are doing better job EX500rider Jan 2024 #63
GD Fucking BUTCHERING HAMAS SHOULD ACCEPT Cha Jan 2024 #53
It's a legitimate offer mcar Jan 2024 #57
Fuck GD HAMAS.. fucking Butchers.. Good on Israsel Cha Jan 2024 #71
Testimony from two of the hostages. Mosby Jan 2024 #14
Where is the UN? yardwork Jan 2024 #18
Meh (((they))) are the bad guys, remember? Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #21
Fairly evident that the US Govt cares about Jewish people. maxsolomon Jan 2024 #22
Is that claudette Jan 2024 #30
Good to know who believes terrorists and not their victims AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #47
Since they were Hamas hostages why would I not believe them? EX500rider Jan 2024 #52
So you don't believe the words of actual hostages mcar Jan 2024 #62
I Believe it.. AND HAMAS Started this SHIT and NOW Cha Jan 2024 #82
Wow, as I live and breathe, you seem to believe the Hamas rapists over the actual hostage's accounts MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #117
If Hamas agreed ti this, the pasue would be permanent Johnny2X2X Jan 2024 #26
It should be claudette Jan 2024 #27
So hamas can rebuild and do 10/7 all over again? great plan which means many more dead Palestinians in the long run EX500rider Jan 2024 #64
TALK to GD HAMAS THEN!! They're the ONES Who STARTED Cha Jan 2024 #93
And the usual pro-Pal gang is silent... Arazi Jan 2024 #28
They're not silent AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #77
Well I'm a Pro-Palestinian Jew. Not sure what I'm supposed to post here. I'm not a Hamas supporter if that's Nanjeanne Jan 2024 #92
Thanks Arazi Jan 2024 #100
As opposed to the Anti-Pal gang? Goddessartist Jan 2024 #129
Not sure "Hey, let everybody go so we can kill you all" was ever much of a serious offer Prairie Gates Jan 2024 #31
Who says they were going to "kill your all" AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #32
What happens when they resume the fighting? Prairie Gates Jan 2024 #33
So you don't think Hamas should be eliminated? AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #34
LOL Prairie Gates Jan 2024 #41
Lol - kidnapped Israelis are funny! AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Prairie Gates Jan 2024 #44
It's horrible. We're watching dehumanization in real time. yardwork Jan 2024 #87
It's a nice thought. atreides1 Jan 2024 #70
And, Why the HELL Not Eradicate the Terrorist Cha Jan 2024 #95
That's what war is. One side is destroyed or they surrender Arazi Jan 2024 #36
So... you think Hamas should keep its Israeli hostages? maxsolomon Jan 2024 #56
Post removed Post removed Jan 2024 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author EX500rider Jan 2024 #54
I didn't see the post you're responding to before it was removed. yardwork Jan 2024 #86
It is obvious that Israel is not the one refusing a ceasefire. keithbvadu2 Jan 2024 #67
Because if they revealed they are all dead, there is no longer a bargaining chip? ColinC Jan 2024 #96
That is my fear..hostages may not be alive and that's why the rejection to the offer. Deuxcents Jan 2024 #151
Or have been treated so horribly that releasing them will be a huge PR hit & infuriate the IDF even more EX500rider Jan 2024 #155
Accepting would be the right decision. Hamas would never do that. Turbineguy Jan 2024 #106
Looks like you missed the big news of the week. AloeVera Jan 2024 #125
It seems more than a few people sarisataka Jan 2024 #114
Yup, there never was a concern for the Hostages by the anti Israel side JI7 Jan 2024 #124
this is what i seem to see out there...... Takket Jan 2024 #115
You missed a line sarisataka Jan 2024 #116
TY & 2 Sides For a Cha Jan 2024 #142
Much like Trump and the boarder, hamas wants the issue more than the peace bottomofthehill Jan 2024 #152
KICK Cha Jan 2024 #158
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