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Irish_Dem

(81,299 posts)
95. Yes I have had experience with this kind of situation.
Sun Jan 28, 2024, 01:27 PM
Jan 2024

Hi Limbic. I like your username!

This is a complex clinical presentation. I can give you some ideas on how this situation could unfold.

Given Trump's dementia, drug addiction, and mental illnesses, this kind of case can deteriorate badly.
Keep in mind we are also looking at a narcissist and sociopath (narcissistic and antisocial personality disorders.)
So he is mentally ill on top of the dementia and drug addiction.

(I have also suspected perhaps an untreated Bipolar Disorder, but given his long time stimulant abuse
it is hard to tell because stimulant use can mimic bipolar. Often times with someone who is a drug abuser,
it is hard to get an idea of what you're looking at with a patient until they're detoxed. Then the
more accurate clinical picture comes into focus.)

All of this gets worse with increasing levels of stress.
Trump is going to be facing a great deal more stress in the next year.
A presidential run, being on the road most of the time, poor sleep and eating habits.
Also facing numerous court and legal actions. Facing possible loss of his wealth and even jail time.
Additionally his opponents are getting under his skin.
Ego wounds are very difficult for narcissist. And can result in much rage and acting out.
Narcissists love to get revenge.

Sociopaths hate being backed into a corner and can lash out in dangerous ways.
Then we can see the cognitive decline which results in fewer social filters and less inhibition.
So I would predict that his anger, hate, threats, revenge tactics will get worse. And we can see this even spills over
into how he treats people who are his allies. So he will alienate even those who align with him.

Typically narcissists are not suicidal, they are too self focused, and feel way too special to hurt themselves.
Though a problem with rich people is that they can get as many drugs as they want, and in huge quantities,
so they can accidentally overdose. Especially with a dementia patient who may not remember what he took and when.
Or someone with long term drug use who needs more and more drugs to get high and ends up in a bad place.

Trump's history is to take out all of his bad feelings on other people. So he is more apt to get other people hurt
than hurt himself. So his danger to others is more likely to increase, not self harm.

Yes I think he will be getting physically lost, confused and disoriented, since he is traveling so much and
so stressed out. I assume Trump has minders keeping a close eye on him.

I think his minders have been giving him benzodiazepines to curb his angry acting out, but now we
see the lowered inhibition and slurring of words, so they may cut back on the meds. But then we will
see increased acting out. There are other medications that would work out better for Trump.

I don't see him necessarily actually being psychotic, but this is a possibility I admit if his
drug use increases and he is sufficiently stressed out. Keep in mind that with narcissists they are
so grandiose and have so many fantasies about how brilliant, talented and special they are it can
look delusional and psychotic like. But doesn't met the criteria of actual psychosis. We have to
evaluate each behavior to see if he is actually exhibiting psychotic behavior.

Also we have a situation where the family may not intervene in any meaningful way.
Fearing that it will damage the presidential run or may result in alienating their father who
holds the purse strings. But I think the kids managed to get their father to transfer some assets.
I think Trump handed over MAL to junior recently? Either to protect it from lawsuits or because of the
decline. I think the kids have to be nervous about their inheritance. Trump's ridiculous temper tantrums
in the recent Carroll trial cost Trump a great deal of money.

I don't know how helpful it would be to take him to see his physician who may be the one prescribing
the medications I think he is on that are not helping matters. And will do whatever Trump wants him to do.

So we are looking at a man with serious personality disorders, drug addiction, and signs of dementia.
Whose stress level is going to be very high for a sustained period of time. And a family who is probably
reluctant to take any action. So this situation could deteriorate significantly.

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I noticed the flesh dropping off him - not to be confused with losing weight thru patricia92243 Jan 2024 #1
How does the flesh fall off? Not sure what you are seeing? chicoescuela Jan 2024 #8
the sores on his hand most likely MistakenLamb Jan 2024 #93
I have 'flesh dropping off' GenThePerservering Jan 2024 #12
Melania put him on a diet..it was reported Demovictory9 Jan 2024 #35
I think a drug like Ozempic or Wegovy is more likely. Sky Jewels Jan 2024 #78
I also don't believe he listens to anyone BlueKota Jan 2024 #127
agree. he isn't going to do anything melonoma tells him, and she doesn't give a shit about him orleans Jan 2024 #148
I had some kfc for the first time in many years spooky3 Jan 2024 #144
I think KFC's biscuits are awful too. GoodRaisin Jan 2024 #159
I've noticed the same. yardwork Jan 2024 #109
Unless he chokes on a cheeseburger (hat tip to Lawrence O'Donnell)... TwilightZone Jan 2024 #2
I see the decline worsening by the week. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #4
I don't have your training or professional background in psych evaluations, Irish peggysue2 Jan 2024 #26
Peggysue you are making astute comments. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #47
"...Puts it on with a trowel" 😂 Quakerfriend Jan 2024 #55
A number of reasons this might be happening: Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #59
TFG may have frontal lobe dementia. LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2024 #75
I agree that the frontal lobe could be involved. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #100
The way he stands is definitely abnormal. ShazzieB Jan 2024 #131
Some are suggesting frontal lobe dementia. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #134
Yes, ive seen that. ShazzieB Jan 2024 #141
He is displaying the cognitive symptoms associated with FLD. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #142
Trump stands like that because he wears lifts. Not because he as dementia. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #156
Hasn't it been reported too BlueKota Jan 2024 #130
Yes we can see he is up most of the night sending hate messages. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #135
The drugs can't help. What a menu! DJ Porkchop Jan 2024 #154
I'm speechless looking at this list. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #161
I think also the greater coarseness viva la Jan 2024 #62
Yes in dementia the filter goes. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #69
Also the lack of hygiene and care for his appearance. viva la Jan 2024 #114
Yes exactly. And the new dark make up is bizarre. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #119
Covering, obfuscating, shaming, avoiding, removing, hiding. n/t DJ Porkchop Jan 2024 #155
Alzheimer and canned beverages. GreenWave Jan 2024 #68
Yes poor diet and past/current drug use is not helping either. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #71
Aspartame too Unwind Your Mind Jan 2024 #99
I more think it doesn't matter to those who want to vote for him. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #58
Yes it is the greatest voter moral decline in US history. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #63
Who, exactly, is this "GOP Leadership"? Thunderbeast Jan 2024 #163
The signs are recent, but powerful. You heard it here first. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #165
I hope you are right! Thunderbeast Jan 2024 #168
I agree with you. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #171
Hi Irish limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #65
Yes I have had experience with this kind of situation. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #95
Thank you. limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #104
We are seeing some narcissistic collapse right now. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #108
Thank you for your insight MustLoveBeagles Jan 2024 #158
Yw. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #162
Even Haley is calling out this decline LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2024 #73
Trump is a narcissist and they become enraged with ego wounds like this. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #96
Of course Nikki is going after his mental decline DENVERPOPS Jan 2024 #106
Your observations are always interesting and informed. yardwork Jan 2024 #110
Thank you! Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #113
That quote at the link is a grab bag of buzz words for the cult of grievance. eppur_se_muova Jan 2024 #5
Agreed. TwilightZone Jan 2024 #9
not an act... agingdem Jan 2024 #45
I bet the stinky Trump meme viva la Jan 2024 #64
Some of what Trump says and does is by design, yes. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #98
That's an interesting aspect of Trump's decline, to me. yardwork Jan 2024 #115
"We know that Putin's aAvisors put together the Make America Great Again campaign script, John Farmer Jan 2024 #121
I might be wrong but I thought that this was proven. yardwork Jan 2024 #128
We can take a look at each statement and make a good guess where it comes from. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #123
Although RobinA Jan 2024 #166
I am beginning to think Trump is going to either totally lose it or end up in jail. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #3
I only hope he makes it just long enough that he is on the ballot. RandomNumbers Jan 2024 #49
It's a gamble but I agree with you. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #57
My dream scenario HariSeldon Jan 2024 #83
Your dream may be closer to reality than you think. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #169
I've Always Thought RobinA Jan 2024 #167
His multiple psychiatric diagnoses are catching up with him. Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #170
I agree... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #6
He won't stop running. Johonny Jan 2024 #7
Agreed Demovictory9 Jan 2024 #36
Fear of prison is a great motivator. C_U_L8R Jan 2024 #10
And bully or harm others nt spooky3 Jan 2024 #145
Ideally, he dies between the last primary and GOP convention to throw that party into complete chaos. Efilroft Sul Jan 2024 #11
I love this scenario! FakeNoose Jan 2024 #60
It would be the best of both worlds calguy Jan 2024 #86
He will die by a million cuts and we are nearing that mark. nt GuppyGal Jan 2024 #13
You have to have a heart for it to fail liberal N proud Jan 2024 #14
He is Anti-Christ Seinan Sensei Jan 2024 #82
And... AllBlue Jan 2024 #15
I think & hope that you are correct. Insane in the membrane, insane his brain! nt TeamProg Jan 2024 #16
Gone insane got no brain edisdead Jan 2024 #42
When RNC members were willing to proclaim him the nominee without finishing the primaries... LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #17
Agree 👍 Tickle Jan 2024 #50
I doubt the MAGA base will vote for Haley. To them she's a loudmouth Asian-American female, who Gaugamela Jan 2024 #18
They won't, they have to have everything their way, GoodRaisin Jan 2024 #160
You may be right... surfered Jan 2024 #19
Haley Mary pass Nasruddin Jan 2024 #25
She avoids taking questions Demovictory9 Jan 2024 #37
She appeals to Republicans who don't like Trump, tanyev Jan 2024 #28
She also appeals to centrists and independents. progressoid Jan 2024 #76
Also I don't know how it is an other areas BlueKota Jan 2024 #136
Thank you for articulating my exact worries. nt Trueblue Texan Jan 2024 #20
They will never dump him jgmiller Jan 2024 #21
this. WarGamer Jan 2024 #23
He's polling +27avg over Haley in SC. WarGamer Jan 2024 #22
He will be the GOP candidate. And he damn well could win. HUAJIAO Jan 2024 #24
Yes exboyfil Jan 2024 #54
Exactly. That's why I was hoping Haley would gain traction. NH Ethylene Jan 2024 #90
I wouldn't assume that nt GenThePerservering Jan 2024 #147
Great post. ificandream Jan 2024 #27
I hope you are right but in 2016 he was doc03 Jan 2024 #29
The manufactured fracture of law at the border PLUS lots of oddly simultaneous industries doing lay offs Attilatheblond Jan 2024 #40
I've heard so many proclamations about the demise of Trump over the last decade and very few have come true. Ace Rothstein Jan 2024 #30
This . obnoxiousdrunk Jan 2024 #33
Post removed Post removed Jan 2024 #38
Spoiler alert: This one won't come to pass either. BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #44
RSO rso Jan 2024 #129
"Cognitive? I have the best cognitive. A Doctor, respected man, said to me, 'Sir . . . tclambert Jan 2024 #31
That Doctor, he's seen so much and he still had a tear in his eye overwhelmed by Trumpian cognitivititieness limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #32
I want him to last until his name's printed on most of the ballots. - nt CrispyQ Jan 2024 #34
THE GOP has deteriorated just as fast ThoughtCriminal Jan 2024 #39
God willing, we won't have to deal with the fucking orange shitbag at all. I pray that God hits paydirt. SoFlaBro Jan 2024 #41
I too hope that he is too cheap to de-ice Trump Force 1 Submariner Jan 2024 #43
I agree too, duforsure Jan 2024 #46
I hope he lives long enough to alienate more magats Emile Jan 2024 #48
Running is the only way he stays out of prison Patton French Jan 2024 #51
TFG is running to stay out of prison LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2024 #85
Yep NT Patton French Jan 2024 #101
The more senile Trump becomes, the more outrageous he will be, and the more his fanbase will love him. Doodley Jan 2024 #52
Nope, he will not make it. Romney/Haley, and they'll lose. Bigly. marble falls Jan 2024 #53
I said long ago that Romney will be the GQP candidate. efhmc Jan 2024 #116
If I had a dime for every time someone's predicted #Traitor's demise Arazi Jan 2024 #56
OMG all of these predictions concerning the demise of Pisswig and the GOP dweller Jan 2024 #61
Just wait for the convention limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #67
MAGAts will put him on a warhorse, El Cid style, to ride him into glorious battle... CTyankee Jan 2024 #66
Dump as Charleton Heston... DebbieCDC Jan 2024 #117
They will wheel kacekwl Jan 2024 #70
TFG will take minimum 15% of MAGA cult with him per county, that's a massive loss for GQP to eat but they wont uponit7771 Jan 2024 #72
I often wonder where they will go in 2028 and beyond Polybius Jan 2024 #94
I gave up such pointless optimism, years ago. (nt) Paladin Jan 2024 #74
Without "pointless optimism" I dont think I could get through the day. honest.abe Jan 2024 #92
Meanwhile, the media only reports Biden's "terrible poll numbers" louis-t Jan 2024 #77
Sometimes seeming coincidence happens that turns things around for the good side. PatrickforB Jan 2024 #79
Democrats can use a lot of what Trump has said about Haley against her. n/t brewens Jan 2024 #80
Trump may be thoroughly battered and bruised, and completely deranged by the time of the general election dlk Jan 2024 #81
He will be a stumbling bag of syphilitic dementia with a crushing load of civil penalties and facing massive.... Botany Jan 2024 #84
I think that you are right about Trump coming apart Progressive dog Jan 2024 #87
I have a difficult time with the concept/statement that Slobby is cunning as a fox. If that NoMoreRepugs Jan 2024 #88
I agree that we need to be ready to run against Haley. hay rick Jan 2024 #89
They won't dump him but you are right underpants Jan 2024 #91
Shit happens. Sometimes twice. Vote. twodogsbarking Jan 2024 #97
He better make it. I was counting on it. JohnnyRingo Jan 2024 #102
Yeah. We know Biden can beat TFG, b/c we've seen it happen. RockRaven Jan 2024 #103
But Nikki is a woman. TSExile Jan 2024 #111
I didn't think he would make it 36 months (3 years) without going to jail, but he has . republianmushroom Jan 2024 #105
My ideal solution is Turbineguy Jan 2024 #107
TFG is not well LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2024 #112
He doesn't want to make it to the election. He's afraid of losing again. Hamlette Jan 2024 #118
not only are the crowds dwindling NJCher Jan 2024 #149
Wether he drops out before the convention John Farmer Jan 2024 #120
I Agree CitizenZero Jan 2024 #146
All the court cases on top of running for President is tremendous stress Jarqui Jan 2024 #122
I realize there are a ton of people who have confidence and faith in his strength as a agent of chaos Torchlight Jan 2024 #124
From your mouth to (insert deity name here in possessive form) ears. Tom Yossarian Joad Jan 2024 #125
Are London bookies offering odds on this yet? bucolic_frolic Jan 2024 #126
no bookie anywhere would touch this bet NJCher Jan 2024 #150
Violent outburst or heart attack. SarahD Jan 2024 #132
I've been waiting for this post. DJ Porkchop Jan 2024 #133
Hopefully judgement day will look just like that! Emile Jan 2024 #137
I fell sorry for anyone who doesn't know their limitations. Aussie105 Jan 2024 #138
not to mention NJCher Jan 2024 #152
The party will NOT dump him. They're scared of the Cult followers oldsoftie Jan 2024 #139
Yup. Completely agree. Joinfortmill Jan 2024 #140
Another Reason CitizenZero Jan 2024 #143
It could be worrisome that Trump NOT be the GOP candidate. I think he is the best for the democrats right now. keithbvadu2 Jan 2024 #151
Trump is their only candidate. I don't get where all these MerryBlooms Jan 2024 #153
It was the same in 2016 and 2020. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #157
He won't make it. GhostHunter22 Jan 2024 #164
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