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KPN

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Mon Jan 29, 2024, 02:48 PM Jan 2024

To beat Trump, we need to know why Americans keep voting for him. Psychologists may have the answer [View all]

Many explanations are proposed for the continued rise of Donald Trump, and the steadfastness of his support, even as the outrages and criminal charges pile up. Some of these explanations are powerful. But there is one I have seen mentioned nowhere, which could, I believe, be the most important: Trump is king of the extrinsics.

Some psychologists believe our values tend to cluster around certain poles, described as “intrinsic” and “extrinsic”. People with a strong set of intrinsic values are inclined towards empathy, intimacy and self-acceptance ... tend to be open to challenge and change, interested in universal rights and equality, and protective of other people and the living world. People at the extrinsic end of the spectrum are more attracted to prestige, status, image, fame, power and wealth ... are strongly motivated by the prospect of individual reward and praise ... more likely to objectify and exploit other people, to behave rudely and aggressively and to dismiss social and environmental impacts. They have little interest in cooperation or community. People with a strong set of extrinsic values are more likely to suffer from frustration, dissatisfaction, stress, anxiety, anger and compulsive behaviour.
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We are not born with our values. They are shaped by the cues and responses we receive from other people and the prevailing mores of our society. They are also moulded by the political environment we inhabit. If people live under a cruel and grasping political system, they tend to normalise and internalise it, absorbing its dominant claims and translating them into extrinsic values. This, in turn, permits an even crueller and more grasping political system to develop.

If, by contrast, people live in a country in which no one becomes destitute, in which social norms are characterised by kindness, empathy, community and freedom from want and fear, their values are likely to shift towards the intrinsic end. This process is known as policy feedback, or the “values ratchet”. The values ratchet operates at the societal and the individual level: a strong set of extrinsic values often develops as a result of insecurity and unfulfilled needs. These extrinsic values then generate further insecurity and unfulfilled needs.
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When a society valorises status, money, power and dominance, it is bound to generate frustration. It is mathematically impossible for everyone to be number one. The more the economic elites grab, the more everyone else must lose. Someone must be blamed for the ensuing disappointment. In a culture that worships winners, it can’t be them. It must be those evil people pursuing a kinder world, in which wealth is distributed, no one is forgotten and communities and the living planet are protected. Those who have developed a strong set of extrinsic values will vote for the person who represents them, the person who has what they want. Trump. And where the US goes, the rest of us follow.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/29/donald-trump-americans-us-culture-republicanhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/29/donald-trump-americans-us-culture-republican
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Interesting read. Makes sense to me.
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Screw fluoride in the water DemMedic Jan 2024 #1
I think you need to rethink your thinking on this MagickMuffin Jan 2024 #5
Yes, it would affect absolutely everyone. ShazzieB Jan 2024 #18
You are right I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2024 #53
I hear you, and I absolutely understand the frustration of which you speak. ShazzieB Jan 2024 #64
Don't beat yourself up Shaz. We all have our triggers, lol. Mine is when people insist Maru Kitteh Jan 2024 #67
I think they were just trying to make a point. None of us would ever do any of these things Maraya1969 Jan 2024 #65
Oh, good grief! It was CLEARLY a joke, and a funny one at that! . . . markpkessinger Jan 2024 #26
Perhaps you need to get a better sense humor MagickMuffin Jan 2024 #32
Lol. No kidding! lindysalsagal Jan 2024 #8
I live in a red state. MontanaMama Jan 2024 #27
This was clearly a facetious comment . markpkessinger Jan 2024 #30
Brilliant? No. MontanaMama Jan 2024 #39
Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot... nycbos Jan 2024 #31
Maybe thorazine will make them I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2024 #52
I would err towards psilocybin. mwooldri Jan 2024 #70
My theory is that many Americans should drink less and take more laxatives struggle4progress Jan 2024 #2
"He's just like us!" NameAlreadyTaken Jan 2024 #3
And he hates "the blacks". Traildogbob Jan 2024 #4
Apparently not all blacks NT Tickle Jan 2024 #21
We could put it like this BaronChocula Jan 2024 #38
Just for fun, I am introducing a nature/nurture aspect to the discussion Attilatheblond Jan 2024 #6
I wouldn't be surprised to find empathy is structural. lindysalsagal Jan 2024 #9
You don't think some/many people are actually empathetic? Attilatheblond Jan 2024 #24
Empathy describes three somewhat different things Metaphorical Jan 2024 #45
One thing I do know I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2024 #55
Twin Studies strongly suggest that it is BOTH to varying degrees. Caliman73 Jan 2024 #16
Same reason Matthew28 Jan 2024 #7
Dumb thugs. moondust Jan 2024 #10
Or maybe it's because MAGAts are assholes EYESORE 9001 Jan 2024 #11
That still leads to more "Why" questions. Why are they assholes? Can anything be done to mitigate that? Caliman73 Jan 2024 #17
They spent too many years listening to Rush Limbaugh, then Fox news. They bathed in an environment of hate and fear. SharonAnn Jan 2024 #33
True. That definitely gives them focus based on misattribution ... Caliman73 Jan 2024 #46
Teaching the public I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2024 #59
In a nutshell: "He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting"! keep_left Jan 2024 #12
WTF??? calimary Jan 2024 #19
In other words, they're pissed when Trump doesn't move heaven and earth... keep_left Jan 2024 #22
Wow. That's classic! What a response to the realization KPN Jan 2024 #23
I recall that the article got some attention at the time (2019) from Maddow... keep_left Jan 2024 #28
This is why I love Cuba and my/our family there. Marcus IM Jan 2024 #13
Just Wondering Cherokee100 Jan 2024 #14
Pretty much describes capitalism ... Marcus IM Jan 2024 #15
lol jesus christ it's not that deep. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #20
I think the question is what does he say, do or represent that is so attractive hueymahl Jan 2024 #34
He says cruel, bigoted things and people like it because they feel the same way because they believe being WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #47
Is it really that simple? hueymahl Jan 2024 #57
When it comes to voting, yes. People vote for candidates who do or say things or act in a way they like. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #60
Some peoples I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2024 #61
SIMPLE: Since the 1960s, Republicans have been actively working to destroy the public education system TygrBright Jan 2024 #25
I believe MAGAts are miserable, mean, angry people. MontanaMama Jan 2024 #29
Meanwhile, over on "RepubicanUnderground" hueymahl Jan 2024 #42
Who called them names? MontanaMama Jan 2024 #63
Not much of a stretch from MAGA to narcissistic personalities Raven123 Jan 2024 #35
Interesting and possibly useful nuxvomica Jan 2024 #36
Yeah, it kind of boils down to "me" vs "us". The "us" KPN Jan 2024 #43
Stupid people like to worship narcissists. Rizen Jan 2024 #37
A lot of people missing the point of this post hueymahl Jan 2024 #40
They feel the same grievances but misattribute the causes AND solutions... Caliman73 Jan 2024 #51
I think we are saying the same thing hueymahl Jan 2024 #56
They have been conditioned by religion and authoritarian JCMach1 Jan 2024 #41
There is no CONTINUED rise of Trump, other than of his vigorously crafted media illusion that there is one. Rocknation Jan 2024 #44
Let me summarize. WarGamer Jan 2024 #48
Nah, That's a Symptom. It's just Unreconciled Childhood Trauma Beetwasher. Jan 2024 #49
;-{) Goonch Jan 2024 #50
They're a KKKult of ignorant, racist fuckheads Orrex Jan 2024 #54
Whatever the explanation, I'll never understand what they see in this Blue Owl Jan 2024 #58
Trump was the populist right-wing hate radio hero they were waiting for. betsuni Jan 2024 #62
I really don't give a shit about 'understanding' magats GenThePerservering Jan 2024 #66
Title of article a little misleading Hahn_Bikey Jan 2024 #68
I take issue with the term "continued rise" SouthernDem4ever Jan 2024 #69
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