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TheKentuckian

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37. Eisenhower had actual objectives and a vision of what victory meant
Sat Feb 3, 2024, 03:44 PM
Feb 2024

Korea, I don't think there was any actual intent to win. I think it was more a steam venting, dick measuring, and MIC profit protection operation.

Vietnam had some of that factor but add that there was no victory that actually made any difference to anyone to be had from the start.

Even with the advantage of hindsight it seems this one was a situation where the only way to win the game was to not play it but unfortunately it was deemed cheaper and more profitable to deter the spread of communism with war rather than capitalism winning with a strong safety net and commited community investment to win by providing a better deal to more people.

Iraq, we knowingly and purposefully fought a country that had nothing to do with the attack on us and broke it easily enough really but got stuck with the bought it piece.

Afghanistan very vaguely made some sense, maybe from orbit or so but getting bogged down in an occupation never made strategic sense in relation to objectives of going after Al Qaeda.
They could have just be treated like Pakistan and ignored/bribed the government for the most part but even more so because Afghanistan had far less command and control than their neighbors.

Hubris.

We are damage dealers not occupiers and society builders. Give us a direct objective and we can go home and it is done but the occupation for social reinvention by force of arms stuff isn't our bag.

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Get 'em. BootinUp Feb 2024 #1
Yes, absolutely!! beaglelover Feb 2024 #2
And in to another war we go. NT thatdemguy Feb 2024 #3
Three Americans dead. jimfields33 Feb 2024 #4
Post removed Post removed Feb 2024 #9
Your isolationist approach isn't the way to go either. BannonsLiver Feb 2024 #12
I'd prefer we do both TexasDem69 Feb 2024 #13
Did you make a wrong turn? mcar Feb 2024 #14
No, and the last I heard the Democratic party was the anti war party. thatdemguy Feb 2024 #15
It's a big tent so you're going to have differing viewpoints. BannonsLiver Feb 2024 #16
Being "antiwar" doesn't imply... Happy Hoosier Feb 2024 #17
No, the Democratic Party is the "SANE" Party maxrandb Feb 2024 #18
The Democratic Party was never anti war, we're useless anti war, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2024 #19
FDR and Truman waged total war and won WW2 NickB79 Feb 2024 #25
Armed response is sometimes a necessity. paleotn Feb 2024 #27
They literally keep shooting missiles and drones at us Calculating Feb 2024 #29
So terror groups kill US personnel and you think we should do what? Stern note? EX500rider Feb 2024 #6
Doubtful. Short operations with pre-set definitions of success ratios. Torchlight Feb 2024 #8
This is not "another war". honest.abe Feb 2024 #10
If anyone started another war, it's the guys who bombed a US military base NickB79 Feb 2024 #11
My son worked on a BONE line... ammo trooper WarGamer Feb 2024 #5
I had to do a search to figure out "BONE line" Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2024 #21
Love that bird... and the kids who work on them love them too. WarGamer Feb 2024 #22
The BONE is a beautiful aircraft and quite capable to this day. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2024 #26
For those that don't know what you and I are talking about... WarGamer Feb 2024 #33
It's about time now go after military installations inside Iran. ArnoldLayne Feb 2024 #7
Here we go again. Another wargasm. ALL of the networks are in on it. The MIC is happy. madinmaryland Feb 2024 #20
What do suggest as a reply to dead US military personnel? EX500rider Feb 2024 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Feb 2024 #24
Pearl Harbor bombed....... paleotn Feb 2024 #28
Pearl Harbor Bombed...... Barry Markson Feb 2024 #30
That's more than a little extreme in this case and a bad analogy. paleotn Feb 2024 #31
Rational and measured is what lead us into the disasters of Barry Markson Feb 2024 #32
Just a suggestion BootinUp Feb 2024 #34
Ok, point out the errors in my thinking. Barry Markson Feb 2024 #35
I decided not to do that, but to encourage BootinUp Feb 2024 #36
Eisenhower had actual objectives and a vision of what victory meant TheKentuckian Feb 2024 #37
Eisenhower warned us. Barry Markson Feb 2024 #38
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