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In reply to the discussion: I might not be a Constitutional scholar, but... [View all]Silent3
(15,909 posts)37. Turns out the gist of the court decision on immunity is just what I said it should be
The breakdown of checks and balances that would create an unaccountable Presidency.
At bottom, former President Trumps stance would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the President beyond the reach of all three Branches. Presidential immunity against federal indictment would mean that, as to the President, the Congress could not legislate, the Executive could not prosecute and the Judiciary could not review. We cannot accept that the office of the Presidency places its former occupants above the law for all time thereafter. Careful evaluation of these concerns leads us to conclude that there is no functional justification for immunizing former Presidents from federal prosecution in general or for immunizing former President Trump from the specific charges in the Indictment. In so holding, we act, not in derogation of the separation of powers, but to maintain their proper balance. See Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. at 754.
And gosh, this wouldn't apply to diplomats at all.
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I think the Courts deliberating on Immunity and A14sec3 are properly prudent
Bernardo de La Paz
Feb 2024
#2
I AM talking about both cases. I thought I was clear the Immunity case has better prospects for us
Bernardo de La Paz
Feb 2024
#5
The 14A, Sec. 3 is self-executing. It's right in the text of it and the Constitution.
brush
Feb 2024
#11
Replying to you, I got an idea that the delay might actually speed things up
Bernardo de La Paz
Feb 2024
#21
'Cause England was bogus, and if we didn't get some cool rules, pronto, we'd be bogus, too!
Iggo
Feb 2024
#8
Determining that the president is immune is no more making him a king or dictator
Ms. Toad
Feb 2024
#20
No matter what a diplomat does, they don't have the position or authority to cause as much harm...
Silent3
Feb 2024
#22
Turns out the gist of the court decision on immunity is just what I said it should be
Silent3
Feb 2024
#37
Oh, I don't expect Trump will get his immunity ruling. I don't even think this SCOTUS is quite that shameless...
Silent3
Feb 2024
#25
The delay has nothing to do with giving presidents the right to murder people
gab13by13
Feb 2024
#28