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Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
11. True.
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 01:29 PM
Feb 2024

There are A LOT of mafia members behind bars for killing people, extorting, etc... How many mafia bosses are behind bars? That is why RICO was put together as a set of laws. It is a lot easier to arrest and convict a person who broke a window and climbed into the Capital building chanting "Hang Mike Pence" than it is to convict someone who said, "You got to fight like hell or you won't have a country". This is why Mafia bosses never said, "Hey Tony, I want you to go over and put six bullets in Freddy the Fish's head and kill him." They said, "Hey Tony, I want you to handle this thing with Freddy the Fish." Without RICO type laws, Tony gets asked, "Did Don Gino tell you to kill Freddy the Fish?" and without actually lying, Tony can say, "Don Gino never ordered me to kill Freddy the Fish" because the words Kill, murder, shoot, etc... were never uttered. Trump didn't say, "I want you all to go over to the Capital building, break through the barricades bash in windows and assault whoever gets in your way so that you can disrupt the certification of the election".

Don't make me defend Trump's legal position. I think that he did engage in insurrection. He set the tone, lit the match, and set the people out based on what he knew were lies. HOWEVER, as I said. HE has not been convicted for Insurrection yet. This is what Smith and Judge Chutkan, and the DC Jury are waiting to determine.

If and when he is convicted, then parties can petition the Federal Court to have his name removed from the ballot across the country.

Imagine if that happens in August or September? Once Trump locks up the Republican nomination and the General election starts. It would be crazy, but interesting situation.

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Billionaire class of sickos! Brainfodder Feb 2024 #1
I am not sure that is correct. Caliman73 Feb 2024 #2
There were plenty of judges that charged the insurrectionists Bluethroughu Feb 2024 #4
True. Caliman73 Feb 2024 #11
It does not say trump has to be charged or convicted of insurrection. Bluethroughu Feb 2024 #12
It actually does FBaggins Feb 2024 #27
Well...then do the other required qualifications Farmer-Rick Feb 2024 #35
Totally specious reasoning. NoRethugFriends Feb 2024 #7
No they are not. SCOTUS isn't making the decision... Caliman73 Feb 2024 #13
You get it. Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #9
Am curious whether there will be inconsistencies addressing the border issue. limbicnuminousity Feb 2024 #14
That has been a problem historically. Caliman73 Feb 2024 #17
Your assessment is astute. limbicnuminousity Feb 2024 #44
Border issues are complex. LeftInTX Feb 2024 #49
The orginal insurrectionists did not face court trials. GreenWave Feb 2024 #21
Original as in Civil War original? Caliman73 Feb 2024 #23
Agreed and I did mean the Civil war traitors. GreenWave Feb 2024 #37
Except they weren't barred from *running* for the office FBaggins Feb 2024 #46
Or it could be used to keep anybody they feel like jimfields33 Feb 2024 #3
You need proof of an insurrection, we have almost 24 hrs of documentation he created one. Bluethroughu Feb 2024 #5
No it couldn't NoRethugFriends Feb 2024 #6
The SC found nothing wrong with the Colorado decision? FBaggins Feb 2024 #47
In Colorado, there was a trial and appeal HariSeldon Feb 2024 #24
Their ruling, likely unanimous, will be more nuanced Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #8
Well the textualists will be legislating from the bench again. Bluethroughu Feb 2024 #10
It seems like SCOTUS's lame excuse is that they don't want some states using the 14th Amendment, sec. 3, to LaMouffette Feb 2024 #15
SCOTUS decisions are made when cases are brought to them. Caliman73 Feb 2024 #19
Thanks for clearing that up for me, Caliman73! I feel at this point that every American is an injured party from the LaMouffette Feb 2024 #50
Tell all the states that Trump carried out an insurrection and can't be on ANY ballots??? Polybius Feb 2024 #30
Federal and State judges convicted or kicked off people on ballots for insurrection Bluethroughu Feb 2024 #36
In Trump's Colorado case, it was the state SC upholding it Polybius Feb 2024 #42
Overly dramatic, IMHO RussBLib Feb 2024 #16
It's not about our ability to beat him at the ballot box Bluethroughu Feb 2024 #18
If they were a convicted traitor, no RussBLib Feb 2024 #20
Impeachment is removal from office, he is not in office. Bluethroughu Feb 2024 #38
The SC is bought and paid for. rubbersole Feb 2024 #22
I hope you are right. Bluethroughu Feb 2024 #39
I put this squarely on McConnell relayerbob Feb 2024 #25
If the SCOTUS votes to keep TFG on the ballot... William Seger Feb 2024 #26
My (barely informed) opinion is they will keep him on the ballot and not by a 6-3 decision. Perhaps kelly1mm Feb 2024 #28
Or maybe they are right if it's 9-0 Polybius Feb 2024 #29
IMO it was pretty obvious from their questions that they were looking for a way... brush Feb 2024 #31
Yes, if they rule to keep him on, it's another nail in the coffin of our Democracy. Bluethroughu Feb 2024 #40
I am curious how the liberal Justices vote on this. William769 Feb 2024 #32
I listened to the entire hearing. It sounds like Trump will be on the ballot. Vote. Joinfortmill Feb 2024 #33
Every vote, every election is the vote of a lifetime. Bluethroughu Feb 2024 #41
Not if, it is when they do. Bev54 Feb 2024 #34
Wondering if all this could have been avoided if Garland Emile Feb 2024 #43
No need to wonder, he didn't and now were here. Bluethroughu Feb 2024 #45
Considering political concerns... Think. Again. Feb 2024 #51
Yes FBaggins Feb 2024 #48
I agree but politically it's bad ebbie15644 Feb 2024 #52
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