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PurgedVoter

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17. Good to know I am not alone in struggling to find a conservative value.
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 01:33 AM
Feb 2024

We heard about conservative values a lot when I was little. Reading between the lines it was a combination of two broad concepts.

One set of virtues really helped the rich. Having folk consider paying debts, working hard, saving money, and not suing people when you got injured were virtues that rewarded those who would manage a banking disaster every so often and rob everyone. Believing in big business, Hating OSHA, environmental controls and social security were a bonus virtue. This was lumped into financial virtue, but the truth is that only those with money could really claim this virtue.

The other set of conservative virtues was veiled hatred for those that didn't fit into the "conservative" shoe. In school, bullies knew they could pick on the odd ones, the smart ones, and those who showed empathy. If you stood up against a bully, the principle was going to reach for the paddle he proudly mounted on the wall behind his desk. Careful racism, sexism and oppression of anyone who didn't fit their mold was lumped in to a brand that said, "We are good family people." It wasn't really a virtue then and it is quite well exposed today.

But as I though about this, I wondered if maybe I had missed something. What was a conservative then and what is conservative now is a bit different. So while I did intend this question as a commentary, I am also looking to see if someone has an actual answer. I doubt there is any virtue in conservative thought, even old school conservative thought. I read a short piece written years ago, titled, "Common Sense," and then I read it again and substituted "Old Money" and "Fabulously Wealthy" for Royal and Noble, and for me any chance of being conservative died right there. Odd since I think in his own way, Thomas Payne was a conservative.

Respect for what works and not tearing down a bridge before you have another good way across a river seems wise to me, but I have not noticed in my lifetime that conservatives ever showed that sort of conservationism. Nixon was a nightmare, but he did do a solid on environmental conservation, so for a while I though that might be a partial conservative value, but time has shown me wrong on that over and over again.

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Not these day, no. Drum Feb 2024 #1
averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values? elleng Feb 2024 #2
Hypocrisy has become their #1 value Blue Owl Feb 2024 #3
"I've got mine, so fuck you" RockRaven Feb 2024 #4
Greed, fear and hate NameAlreadyTaken Feb 2024 #5
Don't forget resentment and grievance. (n/t) DJ Synikus Makisimus Feb 2024 #6
Revenge? herding cats Feb 2024 #7
Supposedly ... Straw Man Feb 2024 #8
Money. dchill Feb 2024 #9
A dime a dozen. limbicnuminousity Feb 2024 #10
Joseph de Maistre: Celerity Feb 2024 #11
This deserves its own OP. niyad Feb 2024 #16
If it aint white it aint right but I aint racist I love all my lovers equally but don't tell my wife & she NRA lobbyist? Brainfodder Feb 2024 #12
I found their value statement. In a mayonnaise jar on Funk and Wagnall's front porch. Here it is: usonian Feb 2024 #13
Trash the environment for more profit. VGNonly Feb 2024 #30
Thanks! usonian Feb 2024 #32
The culture of the white race is dying and needs to be rescued is the basis walkingman Feb 2024 #14
Selfishness. LastDemocratInSC Feb 2024 #15
Good to know I am not alone in struggling to find a conservative value. PurgedVoter Feb 2024 #17
Value of which conservative? Kennah Feb 2024 #18
Here's that virtous plank you seek! Backseat Driver Feb 2024 #19
"Make America Russia"? GoodRaisin Feb 2024 #20
"Be a total asshole in all matters shall be the whole of the law!" Midnight Writer Feb 2024 #21
Low taxes for the rich, corporate welfare Johonny Feb 2024 #22
Pulling wings off of butterflies tenderfoot Feb 2024 #23
What exactly IS a Conservative Value? ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2024 #24
Owning the libs & trolling the media liberalmediaaddict Feb 2024 #25
Whiteness, maleness, straightness, guns. Scrivener7 Feb 2024 #26
Lies Rebl2 Feb 2024 #27
If I had to distill it down to one word, that word would be "hate". iscooterliberally Feb 2024 #28
focusing solely on virtues of the many conservatives in my extended family - hard work Amishman Feb 2024 #29
Sure but is that a "Conservative" value? Caliman73 Feb 2024 #31
Good point Amishman Feb 2024 #37
I think that is indeed what they claim, that and family. PurgedVoter Feb 2024 #39
I tend to frame it differently. Caliman73 Feb 2024 #33
Freedom: surrealAmerican Feb 2024 #34
racism, misogyny, homophobia, xenophobia... jcgoldie Feb 2024 #35
Grifting Beausoleil Feb 2024 #36
Opposition to anything that happens for the first time. LastDemocratInSC Feb 2024 #38
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