Excuse Me... But In Many Ways... This ENTIRE SITE Was Founded Over A STOLEN ELECTION

[sabrina 1]

300. Excellent, excellent post Zorra.

This, I and so many others concluded about five years ago and I am now more convinced than ever:

They appear to be a group of of internet "Gatekeepers", people whose function it is to use any and all manner of propaganda to counter the arguments and information put forth by those of us who support democracy, democratic action, and the well being of human beings, over serving desires specific to wealthy private interests.

It appears that their goal here is to influence the most gullible, conservative thinkers among us, in order to persuade them to blindly trust and support the corporatist status quo.

Absolutely. Take this latest 'outrage' they have latched on to. It's funny because Anon issues videos and statements on a regular basis that no one seems to notice, but the minute they made this claim about Electronic Voting Machines, Wow did that bring out the heavy artillery. You are absolutely correct that there are special interests who are attempting to control the message online which became really apparent starting on that 'gatekeeper blog' Daily Kos, around 2004.

Not everyone needs to be 'on the payroll' as it were, but when the operatives spread the propaganda and as you said, gullible, conservative leaning people will latch on and inadvertently work for them for free. I watched it happen sadly.

When we began online in 2000 it was incredible, free and open discussions, I learned so much. But I guess it was inevitable that they would not allow such freedom of thought and expression to go unchecked for long. There was so little nastiness then, now they foster that kind of dialogue. Read some threads on DK eg over the years and the vitriol is simply disgusting and so exhausting. They thrived on it.

Their style is always the same. And honest people try to respond in a normal way, but it's the equivalent of trying to hold a conversation with a robot. Phrases like 'reality based community' or 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof' repeated over and over again, and of course the BIG ONE, Conspiracy Theorist. They are under instructions to throw that at anyone who dares to question.

Maybe it's time to develop counter tactics instead of trying to reason with that kind of bought and paid for language control.

So, the question arises ~ Why in the world would any genuinely democracy supporting person who wishes to have transparent accurate, fair vote counts defend the use of electronic voting systems so adamantly and illogically, and even go as far as to derisively label anyone questioning the possible malicious electronic manipulation of vote counts as a conspiracy theorist?

I know, I keep asking myself that question and you are correct, they would NOT support such an abomination.

They wish to influence folks to believe that a collective with democratic intentions, to wit: Anonymous, cannot, would not, and did not, locate, identify, and hack into, electronic voting systems that have been deliberately compromised by wealthy private interests, in order to correct these aforementioned compromisations, and ensure that the machines function as accurate reflectors of ballots cast and ballots counted.

Oh yes, that was incredible, the reaction and the anger. See kos, gatekeeper supreme. I knew as soon as they brought him out screaming and yelling over CTs etc that someone got very upset for some reason. And that made ME pay waaaay more attention to something I would have forgotten by now. Authoritarians, they always make that mistake. They can't just 'wait and see what happens, they have to CONTROL.

So do the math. Either way, the answer to the equation adds up to "Why the fuck are they constantly feeding this anti-democratic corporatist bullshit to us on a progressive website?".

It totally stinks.

Good question. And yes, it does stink. I used to love coming here and seeing all the real progressive discussions going on and I learned so much from them. Now, I sometimes think I'm back on the old board I started on arguing with Right Wingers and against much of the same talking points.

I guess what it means is that the Third Way has succeeded in infiltrating the Dem Party enough with their right wing policies and views, that they have become acceptable on 'left wing' boards now whereas they would not have lasted several years ago.

We have a big fight on our hands for this Party, THEN we have to fight the other Party! Too bad we have to waste so much time but I guess it's necessary or they will win.