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Beastly Boy

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89. This is the persistent shortcoming that I see in critics of DOJ:
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 10:08 AM
Feb 2024

Conjecture replacing facts and reason.

"they should actually perform their function and prosecute the criminals and actual crime"
-They actually do. Apparently, not to the extent you would like, but that is, by definition, a subjective judgement, which is not founded in fact.

"I maintain there is space well within the scope of the law for more determination with a more firm approach and if there isn't I am left more than a hair befuddled at prosecutorial fervor and/or lack of accountability"
- The scope may be more limited than you perceive. I only glanced at the volumes of rules and regulations governing DOJ, and they areway more extensive than I could imagine. There is a purpose to it: the powers DOJ possesses are immense and easy to abuse.This is why there are strict limits to what DOJ may or may not do, and the circumstances in whichaction is required or forbidden. Determination and firm approach are, again, subjective measures, while the rules and regulations are not.

"if these perpetrators were leftist or for sure black the whole enforcement and prosecution situation would be hair on fire and harder than diamond "
- Substitute "leftist" for "patriot" (an euphemism for "trumpist&quot and ""black" for "true American" (an euphemism for "bigot&quot , and this is the criticism of DOJ I hear from the right, nearly word for word. Without denying the institutional racism present in all strata of US government, this too is conjecture and, intentionally, hyperbole. I can easily argue, as subjectively as you do, that what you describe is, due to the extensive scope of the rules that govern it, less likely to occur at DOJ and FBI than it is, for instance, in Congress.

"Sorry man, way too passive, political, and deferential to the right."
-See above. As the old adage goes, if you offend everyone equally, you must be diong something right. Note that, like your statement, this is not an argument. The argument is in the OP.

He was stifling anything above the rube/"enlisted officer" levels until Chump was so brazen and ridiculously defiant with the records that he ran out of options or there would be nothing out of the DOJ."
- This is downright factually false, and again, doesn't pretend to be anything but speculation on your part.

"A black mob trying to sack the Capital would be too dead for court. Period."
-Probably the truest statement in your post. The National Guard would have been called in immediately. But DOJ is not in charge of National Guard, or the Capitol Police, for that matter. As a matter of fact, Garland wasn't even AG at the time. For the record and as a matter of fact rather than conjecture, of the Jan 6 crowd estimated to be around 2500, more than half had been arrested on Garland's tenure.

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Garland hater ping [View all] Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 OP
we dont have endless time with this thing- there is the rub Blues Heron Feb 2024 #1
It's largely out of their hands now Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #2
All I see are foot soldiers going to jail for 1/6 where are the higher ups? Blues Heron Feb 2024 #17
What you see is not consistent with what has happened. Beastly Boy Feb 2024 #41
There is no space between understanding the gravity of the event and. moving with urgency to protect the Republic TheKentuckian Feb 2024 #72
DOJ is a tool of the government. They don't pass the laws, they follow them. Beastly Boy Feb 2024 #78
I don't think I even implied that the DOJ was a legislative body. TheKentuckian Feb 2024 #83
This is the persistent shortcoming that I see in critics of DOJ: Beastly Boy Feb 2024 #89
Jerry Nadler asks DOJ to investigate former US Attorney Scott Brady for false testimony about Smirnov republianmushroom Feb 2024 #90
It looks like you are trying to make a point. Beastly Boy Feb 2024 #91
Judge Chutkan is doing a good job, has to wait on SCOTUS to rule on whether trump is immune on criminal charges. brush Feb 2024 #88
Hasn't Smith gotten off the pot? live love laugh Feb 2024 #13
Hard not to hate a guy trying to take down our democracy and rule of law. Irish_Dem Feb 2024 #3
In the context of the OP, I find your conception of our democracy and rule of law puzzling. Beastly Boy Feb 2024 #42
Former FBI spy hunter pleads guilty to working for Russian oligarch republianmushroom Feb 2024 #77
I said "undermines, not "affirms". Beastly Boy Feb 2024 #81
If he was not undermining our democracy or rules of law, then why was he arrested republianmushroom Feb 2024 #82
Let's see if you can answer this riddle yourself, shall we? Beastly Boy Feb 2024 #84
Non one here hates Garland. But from what most see he's doing as little as possible. Autumn Feb 2024 #4
See Post #3. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #5
That says it's hard not to hate him doesn't say they hate him. The problem is he has gone after the low handing fruit Autumn Feb 2024 #24
You are being too kind. comradebillyboy Feb 2024 #6
I strongly dislike him Tribetime Feb 2024 #16
There should be no pinning of roses on MOMFUDSKI Feb 2024 #7
Nothing I see here praises Garland. It just confirms what most know. live love laugh Feb 2024 #12
Sometimes deliberately. Think. Again. Feb 2024 #62
I hate no one, gab13by13 Feb 2024 #8
March 16, 2021, eh? Garland was sworn in March 11, 2021. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #9
And appointed Jack Smith edhopper Feb 2024 #11
Appointing the Special Counsel was NOT the start of the investigation Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #14
Like Hur or Weiss? edhopper Feb 2024 #18
Like Hur & Weiss were not the start of their investigations either. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #19
Like I said edhopper Feb 2024 #21
So you want to censor me. Repeatedly. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #25
You simply don't know what you're talking about Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #20
Garland is 0 fer 2 in appointing special counsels gab13by13 Feb 2024 #26
Sounds like you don't understand how investigations work either Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #38
True, but some people do. republianmushroom Feb 2024 #74
Because i dislike cilantro, shouldnt i also dislike garlic? getagrip_already Feb 2024 #10
President Biden's lawyers gab13by13 Feb 2024 #27
Yes, but you forget that there is a dead horse that must be beaten. Ocelot II Feb 2024 #15
Talk to us after the stall allows cases to linger MOMFUDSKI Feb 2024 #22
My question is whether complaining about it ad nauseam will change anything. Ocelot II Feb 2024 #23
Tim Heaphy, lead J6 investigator gab13by13 Feb 2024 #32
Assuming all of this to be true, how does complaining about it constantly Ocelot II Feb 2024 #35
its a message board - its why they exist, to bitch about shit and see if like minded souls are on the same page Blues Heron Feb 2024 #48
If there is no complaining and ineptness isn't addressed, will get better ? republianmushroom Feb 2024 #79
The answer is no, but more people will be aware of the ineptness of Garlands justus department. That's a good thing. Autumn Feb 2024 #33
All I see is the perpetuation of the narrative which is favored by a certain faction on DU Beastly Boy Feb 2024 #50
its a bitch sesh, we were asked by the OP specifically to come and bitch, here we are. Doesnt amount to a hill of beans Blues Heron Feb 2024 #51
Sounds about right, but this bitch sesh has been going on for months without any invitations. Beastly Boy Feb 2024 #86
How deep is that. Autumn Feb 2024 #55
No words of wisdom intended. Beastly Boy Feb 2024 #87
Intentional ignorance is helpful when one starts with conclusions rather than facts. TwilightZone Feb 2024 #45
Haters? You're calling us haters? CrispyQ Feb 2024 #28
If you don't self-identify as some level of Garland/Willis/Bragg hater then you are not being called out Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #31
I don't call people who disagree with me haters but have at it. -nt CrispyQ Feb 2024 #37
Likewise, I don't call people who simply disagree with me haters. But further, I know Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #43
It is hard to debate with anyone gab13by13 Feb 2024 #44
Funny you should say this. Beastly Boy Feb 2024 #52
Yeah we don't hate. pwb Feb 2024 #29
Oh, I see... Think. Again. Feb 2024 #30
So you're an all-or-nothing black-or-white kind of person it seems Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #36
It is actually yes or no... Think. Again. Feb 2024 #40
Partisanship is not black-or-white Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #47
Not similar at all... Think. Again. Feb 2024 #49
Agree malaise Feb 2024 #34
"Hur was appointed after there already was a Special Counsel for tRump documents, so it was an unusual situation." gab13by13 Feb 2024 #39
I think its been explained to you that Special Counsels are appointed to investigate whether a crime has been committed onenote Feb 2024 #46
And the FBI can't do that? gab13by13 Feb 2024 #57
What is THAT supposed to mean? Beastly Boy Feb 2024 #54
Nobody "hates" claudette Feb 2024 #53
Comparing Garland and Willis seems utterly absurd to me BeyondGeography Feb 2024 #56
Nice post, maybe you can answer this question I asked before, gab13by13 Feb 2024 #60
You make some good points, starting with first one Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #63
This R House will impeach anything with a D next to it BeyondGeography Feb 2024 #65
Yes, agree with those points and well stated. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #66
The fact that there are so many displeased with Garlands foot dragging is a sign that maybe you are flying_wahini Feb 2024 #58
Your post starts with a false premise Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #59
I guess I read it wrong. You say that it takes time but Fani is running circles around them. flying_wahini Feb 2024 #61
Agree, we don't have much time left, before the election. But that's not the final say-so on tRump Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #64
I don't hate Garland. I just hate his way of thinking about politics... ananda Feb 2024 #67
This is the reality MorbidButterflyTat Feb 2024 #68
*Snork!* What a crock. Scrivener7 Feb 2024 #69
There is more republianmushroom Feb 2024 #70
We are all Veruca Salt when it comes to justice Generic Brad Feb 2024 #71
37 months and counting is not now, in my book. republianmushroom Feb 2024 #73
Hate? No, I just don't grasp the adulation and find him dangerously worthless. TheKentuckian Feb 2024 #75
I don't hate Garland, I just find his squeaking irritating. jalan48 Feb 2024 #76
Garland wasn't slow about one thing: the Hassler Feb 2024 #80
The problem is, Garland is still fucking up, unfortunately. We have to beg him to do his job ecstatic Feb 2024 #85
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