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84. Exactly! Repukes have perfected the propaganda that ignorance is something to strive for. nt

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Every day I marvel at how poor and middle class Republicans vote against their self-interests [View all] Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 OP

I think it is also a bit of this nykym Jan 2012 #1

Great quote, but I'm not sure I would include 'most men.' I'd say, 'stupid men' (and women) nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #7

But the problem is that not all of them are stupid. Many are even well educated, but Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #89

I have John Dean's book, Conservatives Without Conscience, and it is spectacular! I couldn't put it Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #94

Thanks for helping me with the right book title. "Conscience of a Conservative" was the book Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #99

No, thank you for directing me to The Family. And any others like that. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #101

maybe that has alot to do with it leftyohiolib Jan 2012 #22

Both sides tend to stereotype the other.. Fumesucker Jan 2012 #2

I'm not so sure. I got quite close to a right wingnut, and he really has no ability to discuss Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #10

I thought that was you.. Fumesucker Jan 2012 #21

Yes, that was me. And what flips me out is their unwillingness to even discuss anything that Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #24

If I remember though, he was not really middle class hfojvt Jan 2012 #62

Where do you place yourself on the political spectrum? nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #68

political compass says -6.12, -1.59 hfojvt Jan 2012 #82

Ok. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #85

A combination of guilt, shame, and wounded pride Mopar151 Jan 2012 #88

Anti-intellectual roots run deep in this country... Bigmack Jan 2012 #3

Thank you for posting this. Pathetic, though, isn't it? The upholding of ignorance as the ideal. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #11

And you will continue to "marvel" kctim Jan 2012 #4

Well, I guess that they have hifiguy Jan 2012 #13

Really depends who is defining kctim Jan 2012 #25

Very pretty, but 1 out of 6 Americans living in poverty, is not a state of mind or an opinion. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #37

you mean the "far left" newspeak Jan 2012 #65

+1 Wind Dancer Jan 2012 #77

Exactly! Nazi Germany backed Hitler because they believed the propaganda and fear Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #116

I agree. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #35

Please elaborate. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #14

Are people who kctim Jan 2012 #27

There is an actual human being hifiguy Jan 2012 #40

Absolutely! You explained it much better than I ever could've. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #48

So you are saying kctim Jan 2012 #86

I am more than willing to infringe on the "rights" hifiguy Jan 2012 #91

People with wealth kctim Jan 2012 #103

See my post #93. nt hifiguy Jan 2012 #104

If we are indeed in a representative republic, there's no representation if the 1% Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #115

There is not 'if' about it, we are indeed a representative republic kctim Jan 2012 #127

That document is quite lovely, but if the 1% is ruling (which it is) something has to CHANGE Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #128

I respect your opinion kctim Jan 2012 #130

Fine, but expect me to stand against symbols being used to protect the 1%, Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #131

Placing the rich and corporations before citizens is NOT protecting rights and freedoms Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #47

The people you are condemning in your post kctim Jan 2012 #87

One slight difference you willfully overlook: hifiguy Jan 2012 #93

Interesting that you put 'all' in bold kctim Jan 2012 #106

Not at all. A couple of personal friends are in the 1% hifiguy Jan 2012 #107

you mean individual freedom like pro-choice? newspeak Jan 2012 #69

Yes, like REAL pro-choice though kctim Jan 2012 #90

Bullshit beliefs such as that abortion is the primary issue is bullshit Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #117

I was referring to actually being pro-choice, not being pro-abortion kctim Jan 2012 #120

hitler outlawed abortion newspeak Jan 2012 #122

He also did away with private ownership of weapons kctim Jan 2012 #126

Against what you THINK their self-interests are cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #5

Yes, but in all honesty, they're cutting off their nose to spite their face. A sign of stupidity. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #6

unfortunately a lot of them vote against their own interests because they buy the GOP line about WI_DEM Jan 2012 #8

That's part of what they adore: having an enemy. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #23

Tree of knowledge is bad. Bad, I say! stillwaiting Jan 2012 #9

It is an aversion, but NOT all countries feel or think this way. That's why I'm amazed at these Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #16

Go read "Anti-Intellectualism in American Life" MicaelS Jan 2012 #12

Why...What are the reasons? who noes these daze;...me thinks its laziness coupled with opihimoimoi Jan 2012 #15

Pitiful really... and scary in the implications for the future. BeHereNow Jan 2012 #17

Yup. What concerns me too is that this anti-education philosophy seems to run deep nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #19

Pol Pot killed off people who wore glasses because they were educated. BeHereNow Jan 2012 #38

Yes, same anti-intellectualism. The glorification of ignorance by the right wing is astounding. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #39

simple Mr Dixon Jan 2012 #18

The American Dream? Amazing. More like The American Nightmare is what they believe in. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #20

Bad news. Those weren't all Republicans who voted for Reagan twice NNN0LHI Jan 2012 #26

Maybe so, but the bulk of those who vote Republican, ARE Republican. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #30

Google: Is Something Really Wrong With Kansas? libinnyandia Jan 2012 #28

This is true. That's why Repukes block the black vote, because these are far more aware of reality Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #34

How about old people that vote republican? taught_me_patience Jan 2012 #29

True. I never blame old people, though, because old people have a miserably scary life in the U.S. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #32

Maybe middle class and poor live in fear too. taught_me_patience Jan 2012 #123

well, just viewing my in laws newspeak Jan 2012 #124

They're either self interests or they're not The2ndWheel Jan 2012 #31

Not really. They vote in favor of corporate interests and those of the wealthy, neither of which Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #33

Most American voters vote against their self interest. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #36

There's no big mystery, it IS simply because they are stupid asses just1voice Jan 2012 #41

That's how I see it, but the mega-wealthy push this idea of anti-intellectualism until the Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #46

Great article DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #42

No article, really. It's just my observations of Republicans, based on my observations of them Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #45

Republicans vote with their "Black Heart" and not their Brain postatomic Jan 2012 #43

They vote without using their brain. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #44

i marvel at how they see the right wing politicians as the good guys.... spanone Jan 2012 #49

I know. It's like thinking up is down, and bad is good. All screwed up. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #50

A working American voting Republicon is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders. ErikJ Jan 2012 #51

It is. Voting against one's own self interests is just plain stupid. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #56

Large family-the math dummies are now Republicon ErikJ Jan 2012 #52

The 5 with bad grades are right wing extremists? Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #55

The book, "What's the Matter with Kansas"? explains this craziness young_at_heart Jan 2012 #53

You're right. Which is why Occupy is so important - it brings capitalism into discussion Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #54

No, they don't. Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #57

"Freedom from federal government" is a propaganda tactic, and not based on reality Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #58

That's what YOU think. That's not what THEY think. Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #59

I will never forget a PBS documentary I saw once which dealt with the homeless and their problems Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #60

And by the way, the Ayn Randish form of thinking is bullshit propaganda, beloved by corporations Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #61

Back in college, we called them "Randroids" KamaAina Jan 2012 #63

Randroids is an ideal name for them. Randroids worship at the Church of Ayn Rand, Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #67

it seems that little boots newspeak Jan 2012 #79

in the land of snap judgments: emotions trump thought, style over substance. NuttyFluffers Jan 2012 #64

Pressed for time? nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #66

I think what the other poster is referring to Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #72

That's true. Americans are so much busier and work so much harder than in Europe, Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #74

The Republicans have redefined "elitism" Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #70

Exactly! Repukes have perfected the propaganda that ignorance is something to strive for. nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #84

Racism seems to have a lot to do with it. hunter Jan 2012 #71

You make a very good point, and the biggest ideals of the GOP are based on racism, Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #83

Simple - it's the 3-Gs LynneSin Jan 2012 #73

How did you avoid having that message ingrained in your mind? Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #80

Well you should not be surprised mstinamotorcity Jan 2012 #75

This is true. :) nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #76

I think it has more to do with values booley Jan 2012 #78

Everyone has priorities. Doesn't mean they're good priorities. Even pedophiles have priorities. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #81

It's not priorities booley Jan 2012 #110

yeah, well in my philosophy class newspeak Jan 2012 #125

The Dems no longer know how to appeal to working-class people Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2012 #92

You think so? I wish I could believe that. :( nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #95

It would be interesting to find out exactly who the 50% who don't vote are Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2012 #108

That's what kept me changing my party for affiliation so long Populist_Prole Jan 2012 #121

It's not a mystery. "Values" trump "interests" for many voters now. ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #96

Thanks! I hadn't heard of Don't Think of an Elephant, but I just read a review on it, and it seems Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #102

Moral Politics is also good booley Jan 2012 #111

Oooh... that's the big one. I have started "Metaphors We Live By"... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #112

Glad to help, Sarah. "Elephant" is a pretty easy read. It's essentially... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #113

Opiate MNBrewer Jan 2012 #97

For the most part. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #100

By the way, I seem to have a fan base of Repigs. If you do a search on the Internet for Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #98

Yes. It is truly unbelievable. nt Zorra Jan 2012 #105

You mean.....? graywarrior Jan 2012 #109

corporate media hegemony arely staircase Jan 2012 #114

I have given up any desire to compromise with republicans. bluestate10 Jan 2012 #118

Absolutely they're traitors. They're the opposite of anything they claim to be Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #119

That because poor and middle class repubs have different interest. SpartanDem Jan 2012 #129