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In reply to the discussion: Fridge failures: LG says angry owners can't sue, company points to cardboard box [View all]mahatmakanejeeves
(58,287 posts)9. From the article:
To learn more about arbitration agreements and notices, we visited professor Anna Han at Santa Clara University School of Law. Ive been teaching here for 35 years, she said.
Han noted that Arbitration agreements are commonplace. They put them into everything, she said. And, these days, consumers agree to mandatory arbitration all the time-- click here, sign there.
Han says proper notice is key: both sides must knowingly agree not to sue. We asked if arbitration notices printed on a box, taped inside a product, or included in a manual -- that you dont see until after you buy -- give shoppers sufficient notice. Han noted parallels to a case in which Samsung tried to force arbitration with a notice in a smartphone box.
In that case the court said exactly what you just asked: which is, Was there sufficient notice to the consumer about this clause, Han said. Was there actual consent? If you dont know something, how would you ever agree to it, right?
Han said the federal courts nullified the arbitration agreement in the smartphone box. The judge has not ruled whether LG owners boxes boxed them into arbitration. Mouzari says the legal maneuvering does nothing to repair peoples problem fridges. Instead of fixing the issue, LG decided to allocate those resources into an arbitration provision on a box, she said.
Han noted that Arbitration agreements are commonplace. They put them into everything, she said. And, these days, consumers agree to mandatory arbitration all the time-- click here, sign there.
Han says proper notice is key: both sides must knowingly agree not to sue. We asked if arbitration notices printed on a box, taped inside a product, or included in a manual -- that you dont see until after you buy -- give shoppers sufficient notice. Han noted parallels to a case in which Samsung tried to force arbitration with a notice in a smartphone box.
In that case the court said exactly what you just asked: which is, Was there sufficient notice to the consumer about this clause, Han said. Was there actual consent? If you dont know something, how would you ever agree to it, right?
Han said the federal courts nullified the arbitration agreement in the smartphone box. The judge has not ruled whether LG owners boxes boxed them into arbitration. Mouzari says the legal maneuvering does nothing to repair peoples problem fridges. Instead of fixing the issue, LG decided to allocate those resources into an arbitration provision on a box, she said.
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Fridge failures: LG says angry owners can't sue, company points to cardboard box [View all]
Coventina
Feb 2024
OP
Just about a year ago, my neighbor (nice Lady) bought a fairly expensive LG refrig.
chouchou
Feb 2024
#5
LG used to be Lucky Goldstar. Maker of garbage electronics in the 80s.
Hassin Bin Sober
Feb 2024
#14
My Samsung plasma TV stopped working after 5 years. Samsung replaced every part and it worked for another 5 years.,
Raftergirl
Feb 2024
#12
Wow - how did I manage not to buy one of those? Our decades old fridge went south one
Vinca
Feb 2024
#8
My Maytag refrigerator died in September after 17 years. Before that the only repair needed was ice maker. I need
Raftergirl
Feb 2024
#11
We have a maytag fridge - best one we ever had. Going on 13 years now.
SouthernDem4ever
Feb 2024
#31
Our LG washer/dryer are 5 years old and running great! I have a Goldstar window-unit AC *
Oopsie Daisy
Feb 2024
#16
writing on the box?? I've NEVER seen the fridge box. EVER. Thing must be huge with lots of 'cover our ass' writing on
BlueWaveNeverEnd
Feb 2024
#24