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73. I bought Hostess Sno-balls the other day.

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 09:51 PM

Nov 2012

And it was food, too.

I rarely do that, but I did so in honor and in solidarity to the Hostess workers. It has coconut, which I love, and which is also food.

In spring, I pick morel mushrooms in my yard, when they show up. But I also eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches on occasions. (I prefer orange marmalade.)

I love fried eggs, preferably basted and fried in a dollop of bacon grease. I eat them at least a couple times a week, with toast made with -- HORRORS!!!! -- the evil wheat!!!

My question to the food police is this: what would you have humans eat? Dirt!? That's natural!

My advice to everybody. Eat food. Don't listen to the food police. Eat what you like, but eat a variety.

And above all: Wheat has sustained humankind for many millenia. It is not fucking poison.

The food police suck!

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Modern wheat a "perfect, chronic poison," doctor says [View all] SoCalDem Nov 2012 OP

So if it's an opiate... Deep13 Nov 2012 #1

It's more like sleepy. n/t BlueToTheBone Nov 2012 #3

But percosets--actual opiates--make me really silly and loopy... Deep13 Nov 2012 #4

That's why it "like" an opiate BlueToTheBone Nov 2012 #6

But you said it attaches to opiate receptors like an opiate. Deep13 Nov 2012 #15

It's a different substance Chemisse Nov 2012 #20

You are suggesting that something that can attach to opiate receptors... Deep13 Nov 2012 #133

Are you aware of "estrogen-like" compounds emitted by plastics? Hekate Nov 2012 #181

no, it wouldn't. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #186

Dosage. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #43

no. different substance. opiate blockers bind to opiate receptors. they have HiPointDem Nov 2012 #116

I eat pounds of wheat every week. Deep13 Nov 2012 #134

Poster above corrected my error. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #164

I Can Testify To That .. My Mother .. who.. YOHABLO Nov 2012 #62

What does that have to do with opiate receptors? nt Deep13 Nov 2012 #131

I took myself off wheat for about 10 months a while back. By doing that, I demolished my Squinch Nov 2012 #63

If I had a tolerance, then percosets would not work. Deep13 Nov 2012 #135

Just curious as to your expertise in this area Vinnie From Indy Nov 2012 #209

Not an opiate. Igel Nov 2012 #8

Hasn't selective polination and seed selection for size... Deep13 Nov 2012 #14

gliadin isn't specific to wheat. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #50

No, it's not. Igel Nov 2012 #142

Barley, BTW, has gluten and we Celiacs can't touch it tavalon Nov 2012 #175

There's a new beer out there customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #183

Thank you for the info tavalon Nov 2012 #191

Okay, that last paragraph rrneck Nov 2012 #66

Thanks Mr. Wizard. GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #78

The points are simple. Igel Nov 2012 #143

I think he skipped the part tavalon Nov 2012 #177

Not quite. Gliadin antibodies have been used as a marker for celiac disease pnwmom Nov 2012 #212

It might bind to the receptors but it never did a thing for me Warpy Nov 2012 #41

Wheat allergies exist, but that does not make wheat a drug... Deep13 Nov 2012 #137

No, it sure doesn't Warpy Nov 2012 #220

Your name isn't Dagwood Champion Jack Nov 2012 #199

Doesn't gluten always contain gliadin? FarCenter Nov 2012 #2

shhh! Don't confuse us with facts! nilram Nov 2012 #37

Yes, but some people produce gliadin antibodies pnwmom Nov 2012 #213

Probably because the disease has not progressed to attacking the intestinal lining FarCenter Nov 2012 #222

No, it's more than that. pnwmom Nov 2012 #226

Corporate crapola foodlike 'product' is slowly, steadily poisoning America Berlum Nov 2012 #5

Yeah, but does include wheat? Deep13 Nov 2012 #16

wrong. Locrian Nov 2012 #24

every food plant in the world has been selectively bred, not to mention the semi- HiPointDem Nov 2012 #51

Yippiee! Does that mean I can go on eating it until I have to wear glasses? left on green only Nov 2012 #148

Yup. Igel Nov 2012 #146

I have sugar addiction issues liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #7

Me, too. No white bread products or sugar. nt Bigmack Nov 2012 #10

And for me, it is poison tavalon Nov 2012 #179

Same here. I have to wonder if the weight loss issues referred to in the article... wakemewhenitsover Nov 2012 #198

There are lots of other flours available xfundy Nov 2012 #9

Oat bran is a good choice, I think. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #31

Granola is one of my favorite foods liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #48

One not mentioned there is kamut. Squinch Nov 2012 #69

kamut contains the poison gliadin! HiPointDem Nov 2012 #80

Xfundy was simply referencing an article about alternatives to wheat. I didn't take that as Squinch Nov 2012 #129

kamut *is* wheat. it's not an alternative to wheat, it's a type of wheat. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #140

I know a woman who sees Dr Davis postulater Nov 2012 #11

Anything that doesn't further enrich the death merchants is woo, silly rabbit. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #13

Ain't it the truth. postulater Nov 2012 #18

Awfully cynical view... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #46

Refusing to dismiss claims out of hand is not the same as accepting them. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #86

Pascal's wager in nutritional form. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #125

Atheism is a religion? Why not wheat? Look, I'm personally pretty sure that the answer to most Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #141

No. The problem is... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #155

I agree that this guy is hyping to high heaven - And that he is playing loose with the facts Chemisse Nov 2012 #189

it's certainly woo if it promotes falsehoods like "gliadin is a new protein". HiPointDem Nov 2012 #56

It might be wrong, but using pejoratives is of no help and, as you might know, there Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #77

i aced organic chemistry too. and? the fact is that none of the "variables" HiPointDem Nov 2012 #81

Then you should know that you don't know, and you should also know that the wheat we are being Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #91

i fully acknowledge that *all* wheat we eat today isn't precisely the same as HiPointDem Nov 2012 #95

When you claim the difference is a protein that has been in wheat since antiquity jeff47 Nov 2012 #98

Your mind simply cannot grasp how little I care about your opinion. You do this all the time, Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #106

No, try reading that again. I'm calling him a liar. jeff47 Nov 2012 #112

Woo and truth can look awfully similar jollyreaper2112 Nov 2012 #19

Doesn't mean his claims are accurate. Igel Nov 2012 #150

Truth cannot be suppressed forever, no matter how big a budget is behind the lies. K&R n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #12

Truth has to be based in fact, not panic, to be truth. nt Deep13 Nov 2012 #17

What is, is. Real results and real science. You just have to get out of American fantasyland to Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #21

all I know is my real results are that whole grain wheat helps liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #23

Then there you go. Results are what matters and we are all individuals. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #101

if you have to sell your results by lying, they're not all that matters. if i secretly fed HiPointDem Nov 2012 #176

First you claim a false equivalency and that is just cheap. If you fed me a tapeworm that would be Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #180

you & *your* buddies seem to think its your right to promote health claims in HiPointDem Nov 2012 #185

So, you're going to talk around the question and try to characterize your weirdness Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #202

Wheat is about 70% Carbohydrates, mainly starch... reACTIONary Nov 2012 #204

whole grains are complex carbohydrates liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #210

Thanks for the response. Ironically... reACTIONary Nov 2012 #224

Jesus-fucking Christ! longship Nov 2012 #22

"Food is good for you" is an incredible oversimplification NoOneMan Nov 2012 #30

Everything my grandmother cooked until she was 89 years old was cooked in lard, Yavapai Nov 2012 #88

Breaking News: Exceptions are Rules! NoOneMan Nov 2012 #89

one of my hobbies is geneology, Yavapai Nov 2012 #92

And one of my hobbies is common sense NoOneMan Nov 2012 #93

Calling it food does not make it so. Consider this: Maineman Nov 2012 #47

I bought Hostess Sno-balls the other day. longship Nov 2012 #73

You think sno-balls are food? Try living on them for a month. You can live on eggs fried in Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #149

Well, I don't think I claimed that. longship Nov 2012 #178

You make some valid points, but to imply that what is being done today is in any way Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #182

My endrcrinologist thinks I may have celiac disease undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #25

Interesting. Matariki Nov 2012 #26

I read his book "Wheat Belly" about a year ago. Ya want the science? Read the book. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #27

So if I wrote a book talking about the dangers of modern oxygen, would you believe it? jeff47 Nov 2012 #57

You shouldn't. Have a nice day. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #96

Then why are you pushing his book if you know he's wrong? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #100

I didn't say that. But if you don't believe it, you shouldn't. I do. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #111

How, exactly, am I misinterpreting his claim that gliadin is a new protein? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #115

He certainly does not say that in the book. As I said above, geckosfeet Nov 2012 #118

There are no "gluten chromosomes". jeff47 Nov 2012 #219

no human food is the food humans 'cut their teeth on'. they've all been modified. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #65

I would not be at all surprised if wheat had been modified a lot more than most other grains, other Squinch Nov 2012 #74

they look pretty similar to me. and they're all modifications as well. but if indians HiPointDem Nov 2012 #90

Maybe. I don't think one error invalidates everything else one has to say. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #109

and emmer, the other ancient wheat domesticated concurrent with einkorn, HiPointDem Nov 2012 #139

I think his point is that the smaller chromsome set produces fewer varieties of gliadins/gluteins geckosfeet Nov 2012 #156

what we know as modern wheat was a natural (done by nature) hybrid 8000 HiPointDem Nov 2012 #170

So the crux of your argument is... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #158

He wrote the book. Not me. I generally agree with his methods but can't geckosfeet Nov 2012 #165

Well, if it was my interwebitube posts you take issue with... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #167

i bet modern arsnic is more perfect arely staircase Nov 2012 #28

I truly believe that Modern "Wheat" or more precisely Glutten is at the heart of all disease.... blue sky at night Nov 2012 #29

Where did disease come from before modern wheat? Shivering Jemmy Nov 2012 #33

God. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #42

believe it or not mortality was much worse a long time ago liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #45

True. But there are immune system diseases that are exploding in incidence now. Squinch Nov 2012 #75

but we don't know why yet liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #85

Well, we can't wait to know why... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #160

Gluten has been in bread since antiquity. jeff47 Nov 2012 #59

why did japanese get sick, then? they barely ate wheat before WW2. but they HiPointDem Nov 2012 #103

I'm waiting for the moral panic over the threat of oxygen. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #32

Dihydrogen Monoxide. Shivering Jemmy Nov 2012 #36

Wheat requires huge amounts of dihydrogen monoxide, which is incorporated into every cell of it. Ian David Nov 2012 #34

His book title is Wheat Belly: Lose the Wheat, Lose the Weight, and Find your Path Back to Health Maineman Nov 2012 #35

I don't trust doctors trying to sell books anymore than I trust corporations liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #39

I guarantee that you swallow more than a dozen chemicals Shivering Jemmy Nov 2012 #40

we're not one of the sickest nations on earth. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #67

Look around you. Point to something in your room that isn't a chemical. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #130

Sounds like a backdoor way of cutting simple carbs. Marr Nov 2012 #187

as i & many others said on the identical OP last month, gliadin is not a new protein. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #38

I was wondering UnseenUndergrad Nov 2012 #71

I heaven05 Nov 2012 #44

I will continue to eat ... DakotaLady Nov 2012 #172

kashi heaven05 Nov 2012 #197

this is nonsense-- gliaden is a component of gluten NoMoreWarNow Nov 2012 #49

What about the WGA Lectin? undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #53

yeah, what about the arsenic found naturally in foods? why is no one talking about it? HiPointDem Nov 2012 #76

exactly! Why is even ASKING the question so bothersome to people? undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #105

i specifically said that all plants have defense mechanisms. i also said lectins HiPointDem Nov 2012 #154

All foods have good nutrients and troublesome ingredients-- NoMoreWarNow Nov 2012 #195

yes-- definitely lectins can be toxic NoMoreWarNow Nov 2012 #194

This hack is lying. jeff47 Nov 2012 #52

What about the WGA Lectin? Nobody is touching this undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #58

Because a lectin is just a sugar-binding protein. jeff47 Nov 2012 #61

It was either on DU or Alternet last week... jerseyjack Nov 2012 #54

This again? MNBrewer Nov 2012 #55

Do you know what lectins do when ingested? undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #60

I know what lectins do, period MNBrewer Nov 2012 #79

Ok undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #94

It's only a problem if you are allergic to it liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #99

they all have lectin. which is more or less destroyed when you cook it. so unless HiPointDem Nov 2012 #83

Why are people ducking the WGA lectin issue? undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #64

you just went from makes me wonder to the culprit is... liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #72

That is what nutritionists and doctors are apparently concernerd about. undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #102

look we're not going to change each other's mind liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #107

Agree to dissagree undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #127

but it could be done more credibly liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #144

Why are you ducking all the replies? jeff47 Nov 2012 #104

I agree undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #117

Proteins are destroyed by cooking. jeff47 Nov 2012 #126

prions are not destroyed by cooking,they are proteins, undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #132

The food value of protein is not protein, it is the amino acids that it gets broken down into. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #201

Prions are destroyed by cooking. jeff47 Nov 2012 #215

Didn't duck them undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #124

Posts have timestamps jeff47 Nov 2012 #211

Ah geez EvolveOrConvolve Nov 2012 #68

I guess the only way we will find out if this is true is riverbendviewgal Nov 2012 #70

I did it for a while. For a few days it's hard, but after that, you don't really miss it. Squinch Nov 2012 #82

I know what you are saying riverbendviewgal Nov 2012 #84

Wow! That is great. Congratulations to him! Squinch Nov 2012 #128

Actually, there's a much easier way jeff47 Nov 2012 #108

It's stuff like this svpadgham Nov 2012 #87

Bahahahah! ("It's peeeeeeeople!") Squinch Nov 2012 #207

That's strange. I'm a vegetarian, and I eat bread every day. I've eaten bread Zorra Nov 2012 #97

Wheat was also used to make your pizza crust. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #110

Well, that's just so goddamn... sensible of you. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #162

All chemicals should be removed from food immediately. PavePusher Nov 2012 #113

The toxic ones, yes. undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #120

Could you please just list the nontoxic ones. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #163

Very funny. Squinch Nov 2012 #208

I only eat whole wheat products & I'm not fat, unhealthy, depressed or sleepy wordpix Nov 2012 #114

that's okay undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #119

We've been eating wheat for how many centuries? PavePusher Nov 2012 #123

Elephants take up a lot of space in the room. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #168

Because some CT is more equal than other CT. PavePusher Nov 2012 #171

Well, you really brought out righteous outrage brigade on this one. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #121

Yeah The self rightious gravitate to my threads.. sigh. undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #122

In a way, though, I understand it. Wheat IS so prevalent. It almost is like saying Squinch Nov 2012 #214

A contrarian review of Davis work from The Berkeley Wellness Letter LongTomH Nov 2012 #136

The Berkeley Health Newsletter is one of the best sources for food, healthful living, and the like. byeya Nov 2012 #192

Just a question rosesaylavee Nov 2012 #193

I lost a whole lot of weight this year Canuckistanian Nov 2012 #138

That's it. Just don't eat X so much. Almost never necessary to cut X out entirely. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #203

I agree wholeheartedly Canuckistanian Nov 2012 #223

Ah, the wheat conundrum. Butterbean Nov 2012 #145

I feel the same way liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #151

Exactly. One of the most profound lessons I have learned Butterbean Nov 2012 #153

How the hell is gliadin "new"? Marr Nov 2012 #147

Well, it's new to the doctor who wrote the book, apparently. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #161

Often I feel like I'm going to the "Poison Shop" anymore when I go grocery shopping. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2012 #152

try Whole Foods, food coops or organic stores and eat wordpix Nov 2012 #157

All "excellent" suggestions. I'm finding more and more I have food allergies to what were once just RKP5637 Nov 2012 #166

the "gliadin" nonsense discredits this guy and CBS News Enrique Nov 2012 #159

"who has published a book all about..." Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #169

Well, wheat has always been a poison for me because I have Celiac Sprue tavalon Nov 2012 #173

Uhh, I'll keep eating wheat RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #174

I'm sad ecstatic Nov 2012 #184

Whole wheat pasta is and will continue to be one of my main starches... Systematic Chaos Nov 2012 #188

That is an amazing achievement. Congratulations. Squinch Nov 2012 #216

herp derp Berlum Nov 2012 #190

the fact is that gliadin is a major component of gluten and a huge proportion of the NoMoreWarNow Nov 2012 #196

Your response seems too sensible for this thread. Squinch Nov 2012 #217

I lost about 40 pounds going wheat-free noamnety Nov 2012 #200

That could be more about the reduced carbs and not the wheat itself. nt Incitatus Nov 2012 #225

I no longer eat wheat and I'm no longer diabetic, either Holly_Hobby Nov 2012 #205

Good Lord! All the people who have lost so much weight in this thread! Congratulations! Squinch Nov 2012 #218

Thank you n/t Holly_Hobby Nov 2012 #228

At least these threads serve a useful purpose. JoeyT Nov 2012 #206

The left is full of "nutritionists" who have never taken a physiology or biochemistry course. FarCenter Nov 2012 #221

Add me to the growing list of people who've experienced sense Nov 2012 #227