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Celerity

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107. of course i do not hate Schiff and I will gladly vote for him in the general
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 06:11 PM
Mar 2024

this is what said btw (the post you referenced)

you left out quite a bit

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218733164#post38

38. There are several potential Dems running for Senate who are open to questions as to what type of ideological camp they will end up being if they are elected.

Schiff (ex centrist to slightly conservative ex Blue Dog, ex No Labels-founded/run Problem Solvers Caucus member, who has drifted fairly substantially to the left over the past few years and hopefully stays that way and doesn't revert and become remotely like Sinema, Manchin). I so hope Schiff follows the path of Gillibrand, who was pretty conservative (more than Schiff is now) as a House Rep yet became a strong progressive in the Senate, and NOT the path of Sinema (who was also a Problem Solver in the House, and worked with them from the Senate, along with Manchin, to scupper a huge chunk of Biden's two Infrastructure Bills, plus blocked the two Voter Rights Bills, etc etc), who was a strong progressive but went further and further to right, ending up with the huge problem she has become in the Senate. I wager he will be far more of a Gillibrand than a Sinema. I voted for Porter, but I have pretty much accepted that Schiff will likely win both our jungle primary and the general (if it is Garvey the Rethug as his opponent that will be a sure win).


Elissa Slotkin (my biggest concern) She is a current No Labels Problem Solvers Caucus member, has been anti Pelosi for years, and is, IMHO, the most likely to become the next Sinema. I was so disappointed that all the better (IMHO) candidates (in alphabetical order: Jocelyn Benson, Pete Buttigieg, Garlin Gilchrist, Andy Levin, Mallory McMorrow, Dana Nessel, and Gretchen Whitmer) did not run. Whitmer and Buttigieg may well run for POTUS, so that is likely why they declined, and Benson will likely run for Governor. Given that, I would have vastly preferred Nessel and/or McMorrow over Slotkin, but also Gilchrist and/or Levin as well.


Tammy Murphy (ex Republican and NJ Dem machine candidate) who I so hope loses to Andy Kim in the primary. Kim will be a rock-solid Dem, Murphy has far too much wild card potential for my taste.


David Trone (MD, another Problem Solvers House Rep), who I hope is defeated by Angela Alsobrooks in the primary. I would love to see a fellow black progressive female (Alsobrooks) as the new Senator from Maryland, but alas, it does not look good for Alsobrooks atm in all the primary polls, so I hope Trone does not remotely go even a little bit Sinema/Manchin style on us in the Senate if/when (hopefully far more 'when' than 'if') he defeats Hogan in the general. Fuck Hogan for changing his mind and entering the race. He was the ONLY Rethug who has a remote chance to win that seat.


That all said, obviously ALL four Dems listed above as concerns of mine would be infinitely better than ANY Rethug.


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Just have to make sure every registered democrat votes. jimfields33 Mar 2024 #1
Yes, but now the major Rethug donors will toss in a massive amount of money to raise Garvey up for House coat-tail Celerity Mar 2024 #5
Like a nat, swat them away. I know it's a possibility but hopefully with President Biden and representative jimfields33 Mar 2024 #7
There's more California voters statewide calguy Mar 2024 #10
Rural voters everywhere should know about Project 2025. summer_in_TX Mar 2024 #32
Yup. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2024 #2
Perhaps not? If Porter was in the race, they actually would have had a realistic opportunity to defeat Schiff tritsofme Mar 2024 #3
Yep, it opens up a huge amount of cash for other races. TwilightZone Mar 2024 #9
Massive Rethug money will now flow into Garvey, just for driving statewide coattails for those close House races, and Celerity Mar 2024 #15
that makes no sense Celerity Mar 2024 #12
The chance of Schiff losing is almost zero. Garvey will be defeated by a massive margin similar to Trump tritsofme Mar 2024 #21
More Rethugs will vote for an actual Rethug versus Schiff than ever would have voted for the Demcoratic candidate Celerity Mar 2024 #26
Republicans wasting money on this race is a good thing. tritsofme Mar 2024 #28
it will not be 'wasted' IF increased Rethug statewide turnout results in us losing a couple close US House races. Celerity Mar 2024 #33
I simply don't agree with the premise. tritsofme Mar 2024 #34
I will agree to disagree, and I so hope I that my concerns are not borne out Celerity Mar 2024 #36
And California voters seem to love celebrities Polybius Mar 2024 #29
I don't understand that draw to celebrities. AllyCat Mar 2024 #63
Yes, agree. betsuni Mar 2024 #30
If this were a midterm election, I'd agree. But it's a presidential election, so Trump will draw 'em out. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #22
Isn't just as likely a Dem vs Dem race SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2024 #66
When this Senate seat was last contested, it was in 2018, and was Dem v Dem AND a midterm, yet de Leon Celerity Mar 2024 #76
OK SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2024 #79
Mueser was a nobody, Padilla was an incumbent and the first Latino to represent California in the U.S. Senate, plus Celerity Mar 2024 #87
So? SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2024 #94
I am positing possibilities based off multiple reasons that I have posted up and down this thread. Celerity Mar 2024 #96
Could unfold being SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2024 #97
"hate magnet". You keep blaming Schiff, but it's the Dem attacks Nixie Mar 2024 #95
I have never blamed Schiff for the hate that MAGAts have for him. Celerity Mar 2024 #99
You must have missed when Porter said Schiff was afraid to run Nixie Mar 2024 #106
of course i do not hate Schiff and I will gladly vote for him in the general Celerity Mar 2024 #107
Yes, this is the post I saw. Thanks. You hope he doesn't turn Nixie Mar 2024 #109
Last night on MSNBC Karma13612 Mar 2024 #101
Schiff will still have to spend a tonne, and now the big Rethug money can flow into Garvey in the hope Celerity Mar 2024 #103
I assume Lee will be replaced in the House by another Democrat. I'm afraid Porter's seat LauraInLA Mar 2024 #4
The cumulative Democratic vote in CA 47 jungle primary is hovering around 52% DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2024 #17
Which is about what she received on her own two years ago FBaggins Mar 2024 #90
I always thought Porter was getting way ahead of herself by running for the Senate calguy Mar 2024 #19
Senate seats become available to D candidates in CA every 20-30 years. Sibelius Fan Mar 2024 #42
That's one way to look at it calguy Mar 2024 #105
Oh hogwash. Bucky Mar 2024 #70
I wasn't saying she needed to know her place calguy Mar 2024 #104
Porter MotownPgh Mar 2024 #77
Thank You.. LO'D thought it was a Good Cha Mar 2024 #100
It's a presidential election year. RockRaven Mar 2024 #6
Not in California Sympthsical Mar 2024 #8
Performative political fealty does not depend on electoral outcomes. RockRaven Mar 2024 #13
There's zero chance Garvey wins California. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #23
that is not the concern, as I have explained in multiple posts, including my OP Celerity Mar 2024 #37
Why would the fail to come out for Trump, their leader Zeitghost Mar 2024 #98
Forget 3D chess Sympthsical Mar 2024 #11
good analysis, Celerity... WarGamer Mar 2024 #14
My fear is Garvey will go around to all those close districts and whip up a two-for-one Rethug poutrage storm: Celerity Mar 2024 #18
We are talking California for gosh sakes. 47% are registered Democrats, 24% are registered republicans, with 23% JohnSJ Mar 2024 #16
I never said or even had any serious concern for this: Celerity Mar 2024 #24
I think that Democrats and progressives in the state are just as motivated to come out and JohnSJ Mar 2024 #25
I absolutely think that a Schiff v Garvey race will increase Rethug turnout statewide more than a Schiff v Porter race Celerity Mar 2024 #31
Nope. Rs will now waste $ on Garvey, which will hurt funding for down-ticket Rs. Sibelius Fan Mar 2024 #44
I voted for Porter as well, partly to keep Garvey out. And any dollar the Rethugs spend on Garvey Celerity Mar 2024 #56
That's my take too Bucky Mar 2024 #69
Padilla beat Repub Meuser 61-39 in 2022 Mordred Mar 2024 #20
He's really 75 now? Shades of 'The Last Hurrah' DemocraticPatriot Mar 2024 #41
Maybe not such a good argument when our Presidential candidate is 81, just saying ....NT kelly1mm Mar 2024 #47
I was not denigrating his age--- only marveling over DemocraticPatriot Mar 2024 #55
It's a Presidential Election Cycle Zeitghost Mar 2024 #27
Garvey's toast. Is he alive? perform a breath test on his animated corpse, to be sure. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2024 #35
Isn't Steve Garvey like 6 years younger than President Biden? Maybe not so good an argument? nt kelly1mm Mar 2024 #46
the basic thesis here is that Garvey is going to have something like presidential coattails stopdiggin Mar 2024 #38
I don't see Garvey as having such 'gravitas' that it will draw any more DemocraticPatriot Mar 2024 #39
Withdrawing rpannier Mar 2024 #43
But the OP was arguing that Schiff's nomination would draw more DemocraticPatriot Mar 2024 #45
I withdrew it rpannier Mar 2024 #48
Fact is Garvey doesn't have a great name. He used to beat his wife... brush Mar 2024 #52
All I recall is his baseball.... DemocraticPatriot Mar 2024 #53
Google it. It's all true. You must be too young as a baseball fan to know of Garvey's scuzz ball rep. brush Mar 2024 #54
If I was "too young", I would not even RECOGNIZE his name from baseball. DemocraticPatriot Mar 2024 #57
It's ok if you didn't "gooble it." Rep. Schiff may not even use the dirt... brush Mar 2024 #58
I was not questioning your FACTS--- DemocraticPatriot Mar 2024 #59
I lived in the Bay Area back then but heard about Garvey's carefully crafted... brush Mar 2024 #61
withdrawn post rpannier Mar 2024 #40
"Stupid" to run ads attacking a Republican, versus DemocraticPatriot Mar 2024 #50
I dunno. Garvey is a total scuzz ball. Beat his wife and had 2 outside kids while married. brush Mar 2024 #49
No RandySF Mar 2024 #51
Another No. betsuni Mar 2024 #60
I did not think of that... Mike Nelson Mar 2024 #62
There there, now. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2024 #64
Is there data to support this theory? SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2024 #65
Nope. It's a narrative. Happy Hoosier Mar 2024 #73
I replied in re a Dem v Dem general in post 76 Celerity Mar 2024 #89
Is this net of the competitive seat Porter abandoned to run a futile campaign for senate? mathematic Mar 2024 #67
Agree pinkstarburst Mar 2024 #74
I disagree. I think having a high profile state-wide race will be a boon for Dem fundraising & turnout. Bucky Mar 2024 #68
Blaming Schiff isn't intellectually honest. Katie Porter's own district is being lost to a Repub because two Democrats Nixie Mar 2024 #71
Contrarywise.... a mudslinging GE between two democrats might suppress Democratic turnout Happy Hoosier Mar 2024 #72
+1 betsuni Mar 2024 #78
Exactly.. TY! I'm so glad Adam Schiff took care of that. Cha Mar 2024 #102
Schiff's tactics worked TakeItEasy Mar 2024 #75
What's your evidence for that? Happy Hoosier Mar 2024 #80
Yes, and it's sadly a laughable accusation. Does she think Nixie Mar 2024 #83
It's more that Porter's strategies failed. Nixie Mar 2024 #82
And that is not my point, as I have explained up and down this OP thread. What 'worked' for Schiff could Celerity Mar 2024 #86
Yes, he spent his time attacking Republicans rather than fellow Democrats... W_HAMILTON Mar 2024 #108
Garvey MORE THAN DOUBLED Porter's vote. Happy Hoosier Mar 2024 #81
Exactly! She's getting skunked actually. Not competitive Nixie Mar 2024 #84
Agreed and it's sad that Porter pinkstarburst Mar 2024 #85
I did not mention Schiff's 'boosting' in my OP. I was adressing perceptions about the actual outcome, possible Celerity Mar 2024 #91
Fair enough. Good day! NT Happy Hoosier Mar 2024 #92
cheers Celerity Mar 2024 #93
I don't think conventional wisdom with gerrymandering and redrawing districts will work for the GOP like it once did. lees1975 Mar 2024 #88
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