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In reply to the discussion: Schiff v Garvey will likely draw more Rethugs voters out than Schiff v Porter would have. Those extra Rethug [View all]Celerity
(54,333 posts)107. of course i do not hate Schiff and I will gladly vote for him in the general
this is what said btw (the post you referenced)
you left out quite a bit
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218733164#post38
38. There are several potential Dems running for Senate who are open to questions as to what type of ideological camp they will end up being if they are elected.
That all said, obviously ALL four Dems listed above as concerns of mine would be infinitely better than ANY Rethug.
38. There are several potential Dems running for Senate who are open to questions as to what type of ideological camp they will end up being if they are elected.
Schiff (ex centrist to slightly conservative ex Blue Dog, ex No Labels-founded/run Problem Solvers Caucus member, who has drifted fairly substantially to the left over the past few years and hopefully stays that way and doesn't revert and become remotely like Sinema, Manchin). I so hope Schiff follows the path of Gillibrand, who was pretty conservative (more than Schiff is now) as a House Rep yet became a strong progressive in the Senate, and NOT the path of Sinema (who was also a Problem Solver in the House, and worked with them from the Senate, along with Manchin, to scupper a huge chunk of Biden's two Infrastructure Bills, plus blocked the two Voter Rights Bills, etc etc), who was a strong progressive but went further and further to right, ending up with the huge problem she has become in the Senate. I wager he will be far more of a Gillibrand than a Sinema. I voted for Porter, but I have pretty much accepted that Schiff will likely win both our jungle primary and the general (if it is Garvey the Rethug as his opponent that will be a sure win).
Elissa Slotkin (my biggest concern) She is a current No Labels Problem Solvers Caucus member, has been anti Pelosi for years, and is, IMHO, the most likely to become the next Sinema. I was so disappointed that all the better (IMHO) candidates (in alphabetical order: Jocelyn Benson, Pete Buttigieg, Garlin Gilchrist, Andy Levin, Mallory McMorrow, Dana Nessel, and Gretchen Whitmer) did not run. Whitmer and Buttigieg may well run for POTUS, so that is likely why they declined, and Benson will likely run for Governor. Given that, I would have vastly preferred Nessel and/or McMorrow over Slotkin, but also Gilchrist and/or Levin as well.
Tammy Murphy (ex Republican and NJ Dem machine candidate) who I so hope loses to Andy Kim in the primary. Kim will be a rock-solid Dem, Murphy has far too much wild card potential for my taste.
David Trone (MD, another Problem Solvers House Rep), who I hope is defeated by Angela Alsobrooks in the primary. I would love to see a fellow black progressive female (Alsobrooks) as the new Senator from Maryland, but alas, it does not look good for Alsobrooks atm in all the primary polls, so I hope Trone does not remotely go even a little bit Sinema/Manchin style on us in the Senate if/when (hopefully far more 'when' than 'if') he defeats Hogan in the general. Fuck Hogan for changing his mind and entering the race. He was the ONLY Rethug who has a remote chance to win that seat.
That all said, obviously ALL four Dems listed above as concerns of mine would be infinitely better than ANY Rethug.
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Schiff v Garvey will likely draw more Rethugs voters out than Schiff v Porter would have. Those extra Rethug [View all]
Celerity
Mar 2024
OP
Yes, but now the major Rethug donors will toss in a massive amount of money to raise Garvey up for House coat-tail
Celerity
Mar 2024
#5
Like a nat, swat them away. I know it's a possibility but hopefully with President Biden and representative
jimfields33
Mar 2024
#7
Perhaps not? If Porter was in the race, they actually would have had a realistic opportunity to defeat Schiff
tritsofme
Mar 2024
#3
Massive Rethug money will now flow into Garvey, just for driving statewide coattails for those close House races, and
Celerity
Mar 2024
#15
The chance of Schiff losing is almost zero. Garvey will be defeated by a massive margin similar to Trump
tritsofme
Mar 2024
#21
More Rethugs will vote for an actual Rethug versus Schiff than ever would have voted for the Demcoratic candidate
Celerity
Mar 2024
#26
it will not be 'wasted' IF increased Rethug statewide turnout results in us losing a couple close US House races.
Celerity
Mar 2024
#33
If this were a midterm election, I'd agree. But it's a presidential election, so Trump will draw 'em out.
All Mixed Up
Mar 2024
#22
When this Senate seat was last contested, it was in 2018, and was Dem v Dem AND a midterm, yet de Leon
Celerity
Mar 2024
#76
Mueser was a nobody, Padilla was an incumbent and the first Latino to represent California in the U.S. Senate, plus
Celerity
Mar 2024
#87
I am positing possibilities based off multiple reasons that I have posted up and down this thread.
Celerity
Mar 2024
#96
Schiff will still have to spend a tonne, and now the big Rethug money can flow into Garvey in the hope
Celerity
Mar 2024
#103
I assume Lee will be replaced in the House by another Democrat. I'm afraid Porter's seat
LauraInLA
Mar 2024
#4
The cumulative Democratic vote in CA 47 jungle primary is hovering around 52%
DemocratSinceBirth
Mar 2024
#17
I always thought Porter was getting way ahead of herself by running for the Senate
calguy
Mar 2024
#19
that is not the concern, as I have explained in multiple posts, including my OP
Celerity
Mar 2024
#37
My fear is Garvey will go around to all those close districts and whip up a two-for-one Rethug poutrage storm:
Celerity
Mar 2024
#18
We are talking California for gosh sakes. 47% are registered Democrats, 24% are registered republicans, with 23%
JohnSJ
Mar 2024
#16
I think that Democrats and progressives in the state are just as motivated to come out and
JohnSJ
Mar 2024
#25
I absolutely think that a Schiff v Garvey race will increase Rethug turnout statewide more than a Schiff v Porter race
Celerity
Mar 2024
#31
Nope. Rs will now waste $ on Garvey, which will hurt funding for down-ticket Rs.
Sibelius Fan
Mar 2024
#44
I voted for Porter as well, partly to keep Garvey out. And any dollar the Rethugs spend on Garvey
Celerity
Mar 2024
#56
Maybe not such a good argument when our Presidential candidate is 81, just saying ....NT
kelly1mm
Mar 2024
#47
Garvey's toast. Is he alive? perform a breath test on his animated corpse, to be sure.
OAITW r.2.0
Mar 2024
#35
Isn't Steve Garvey like 6 years younger than President Biden? Maybe not so good an argument? nt
kelly1mm
Mar 2024
#46
the basic thesis here is that Garvey is going to have something like presidential coattails
stopdiggin
Mar 2024
#38
I don't see Garvey as having such 'gravitas' that it will draw any more
DemocraticPatriot
Mar 2024
#39
Google it. It's all true. You must be too young as a baseball fan to know of Garvey's scuzz ball rep.
brush
Mar 2024
#54
If I was "too young", I would not even RECOGNIZE his name from baseball.
DemocraticPatriot
Mar 2024
#57
I dunno. Garvey is a total scuzz ball. Beat his wife and had 2 outside kids while married.
brush
Mar 2024
#49
Is this net of the competitive seat Porter abandoned to run a futile campaign for senate?
mathematic
Mar 2024
#67
I disagree. I think having a high profile state-wide race will be a boon for Dem fundraising & turnout.
Bucky
Mar 2024
#68
Blaming Schiff isn't intellectually honest. Katie Porter's own district is being lost to a Repub because two Democrats
Nixie
Mar 2024
#71
Contrarywise.... a mudslinging GE between two democrats might suppress Democratic turnout
Happy Hoosier
Mar 2024
#72
And that is not my point, as I have explained up and down this OP thread. What 'worked' for Schiff could
Celerity
Mar 2024
#86
Yes, he spent his time attacking Republicans rather than fellow Democrats...
W_HAMILTON
Mar 2024
#108