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18. Partially conceding to your point, anything's possible without statements from both of them.

Thu Mar 7, 2024, 08:32 AM

Mar 2024

And the sailor may have had dual motivations of elation of the war ending and wanting to just grab the first girl he saw with an excuse.

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Agree or disagree: Iconic WW2-era photo should be removed [View all] True Dough Mar 2024 OP

The motivation was not sexually predatory. no_hypocrisy Mar 2024 #1

The "big picture" would include the woman's perspective. yardwork Mar 2024 #17

Partially conceding to your point, anything's possible without statements from both of them. no_hypocrisy Mar 2024 #18

Thanks for seeing my point. Also, the context for the VA's directive... yardwork Mar 2024 #20

I read an account by the woman. Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #127

I recall an episode of MASH in which thucythucy Mar 2024 #22

I think ForgedCrank Mar 2024 #45

I remember hearing the history of this photo Sanity Claws Mar 2024 #52

I saw Rebl2 Mar 2024 #58

Fortunately, someone wised up and canceled this. Silent Type Mar 2024 #2

So, let me get this straight maxrandb Mar 2024 #3

I'd say they're both "inappropriate." thucythucy Mar 2024 #23

What could provide more justification maxrandb Mar 2024 #40

You seem to have a strange definition of "justification." thucythucy Mar 2024 #48

It's not strange maxrandb Mar 2024 #55

I'd use the word "excuse" thucythucy Mar 2024 #59

I agree. FalloutShelter Mar 2024 #30

I think we're capable of doing both. thucythucy Mar 2024 #49

I despise that photo. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #4

Remove it. 50 Shades Of Blue Mar 2024 #5

My only argument is... RoeVWade Mar 2024 #6

I've long made that exact argument, RoeVWade True Dough Mar 2024 #33

At least this actually happened... lame54 Mar 2024 #94

Only Sort Of ProfessorGAC Mar 2024 #115

Only the 2nd raising was staged, the 1st one wasn't. nt MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2024 #120

Many couples have recaptured the joy of the winning the war in this photo as engagement or even jimfields33 Mar 2024 #7

I agree. Leave it. OLDMDDEM Mar 2024 #13

I agree. Leave it. OLDMDDEM Mar 2024 #14

Agreed, leave it, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2024 #121

Keep it. flying rabbit Mar 2024 #8

Leave it Shrek Mar 2024 #9

Whats next ever Time Life photo ? Historic NY Mar 2024 #10

That's terrific... PCIntern Mar 2024 #12

Yes, thank you! MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2024 #72

Since she died in 2010, it's a bit hard for them to have a reunion in 2012. Ms. Toad Mar 2024 #117

You know... PCIntern Mar 2024 #11

Thank you for sharing jimfields33 Mar 2024 #16

Stay. It's a glimpse into the euphoria of the time and place. This wasn't the only scene where people grabbed Liberal In Texas Mar 2024 #15

Thank you for adding this angle! True Dough Mar 2024 #21

Just look at the 2 old scolds in the background of the 2nd photo Barry Markson Mar 2024 #47

OMG how idiotic and stupid. There is such a thing as too politically correct and I ain't that. nt GuppyGal Mar 2024 #19

it should go jcgoldie Mar 2024 #24

Did the woman involved file a complaint? jalan48 Mar 2024 #25

Some historical context is required True Dough Mar 2024 #28

We're on the precipice of an autocratic takeover of our country. In that context I think focusing on this is ridiculous. jalan48 Mar 2024 #35

You'd advocate for the majority of threads on this forum True Dough Mar 2024 #39

I never said remove the post and didn't didn't intend this to be a personal attack on your response. jalan48 Mar 2024 #44

We apparently know more than that FBaggins Mar 2024 #46

Disagree. cilla4progress Mar 2024 #26

No it should not...is is iconic. And seriously we have more important stuff to do. Demsrule86 Mar 2024 #27

Keep it Raven123 Mar 2024 #29

IS it a photo of non-consensual contact? Think. Again. Mar 2024 #31

Precisely the crux of the issue, Think. Again. True Dough Mar 2024 #32

Perhaps a response as undefined as the issue is... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #38

Sounds fair and thoughtful to me True Dough Mar 2024 #43

FFS, learn some history. It was the end of WWII. People in the US were ecstatic, after living with rationing and sinkingfeeling Mar 2024 #34

Time did a nice piece on the photos taken in Times Square that day ripcord Mar 2024 #51

Her hand is gripped into a fist. She has been literally yanked off her feet. Her neck is pinioned in the crook of his Scrivener7 Mar 2024 #36

Apparently, thinking this is idiotic to some here. Marcus IM Mar 2024 #80

I don't feel attacked. I am used to often disagreeing with the majority here on Scrivener7 Mar 2024 #82

I agree with your visual analysis of the image, but in retrospect, she seems to be OK with it. Ms. Toad Mar 2024 #110

But look at her words here: Scrivener7 Mar 2024 #119

Keep it. (nt) Paladin Mar 2024 #37

I won't say yea or nay on this. Only: Aristus Mar 2024 #41

Point taken, True Dough Mar 2024 #42

It's a truly iconic image... Happy Hoosier Mar 2024 #50

The curl of her fingers is not that of someone caught up in a joyful moment ThreeNoSeep Mar 2024 #53

HER perspective, quoted in that article, is what has been missing in this thread so far. It's pretty damning. Scrivener7 Mar 2024 #90

What MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2024 #98

Do you see something in her words in the CBS article that contradicts her words in the WAPO article? Scrivener7 Mar 2024 #99

Those comments are actually from Greta Zimmer Friedman. Ms. Toad Mar 2024 #134

No, Ms. Toad! I know you didn't suggest it illustrates American values! I think you Scrivener7 Mar 2024 #135

You are correct. Ms. Toad Mar 2024 #137

No worries! Scrivener7 Mar 2024 #138

Disagree - leave it. LoisB Mar 2024 #54

There are NO politics in this Pulitzer Prize winning photo, just the exuberance of victory. ProudMNDemocrat Mar 2024 #56

I don't get it. grumpyduck Mar 2024 #57

Would be nuttier than squirrel shit to remove it BannonsLiver Mar 2024 #60

My problem with all the history erasure and cancel culture pinkstarburst Mar 2024 #61

Given that the woman involved was not offended and participated in a re-enactment many years later, this is just ratchiweenie Mar 2024 #62

Thank you for pointing that out True Dough Mar 2024 #70

Was it "joy of the moment"? ThreeNoSeep Mar 2024 #125

Images can act like Rorschach tests for all sorts of personal experiences. SYFROYH Mar 2024 #63

This is important historical context True Dough Mar 2024 #69

Keep it. nt Celerity Mar 2024 #64

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2024 #65

No, it should not be removed -misanthroptimist Mar 2024 #66

Let's not be like Florida wanting to rewrite and hide history. KS Toronado Mar 2024 #67

So, no one can even say with 100% certainty who the couple is XorXor Mar 2024 #68

YES, they can MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2024 #97

I did and that is why I said what said XorXor Mar 2024 #123

Leave it be! The woman in the photo has spoken for herself Silver Gaia Mar 2024 #71

Leave it, stop censoring the past. Oneironaut Mar 2024 #73

As old sailor, I say leave it! Emile Mar 2024 #74

Apparently they're doing it so what does it matter? BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2024 #75

The idea that it is even a question is a big reason we might get a lunatic moron (Trump) in the WH gulliver Mar 2024 #76

DISAGREE! It's an iconic image. beaglelover Mar 2024 #77

What's next if you censor this? Jilly_in_VA Mar 2024 #78

Can we not care? JustAnotherGen Mar 2024 #79

That nonconsensual kiss in soccer... Croney Mar 2024 #81

You could say that all those joyous anamnua Mar 2024 #83

Drilling down, I think joy is the real reason why some object to it. BannonsLiver Mar 2024 #92

Leave it. Smh The Third Doctor Mar 2024 #84

I'm glad I'm old. This kind of stuff sounds ridiculous. Can't believe it is even being debated. walkingman Mar 2024 #85

Leave it. ificandream Mar 2024 #86

not until the orange orc is in jail or dead. AllaN01Bear Mar 2024 #87

Get a grip! MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2024 #88

Keep It rollin74 Mar 2024 #89

Disagree Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2024 #91

RimaAnn Nelson Should be fired immediately BannonsLiver Mar 2024 #93

How does RimaAnn Nelson know it was non consensual? NT Patton French Mar 2024 #95

Glad to see all the problems with the VA has been solved DetroitLegalBeagle Mar 2024 #96

There's nothing worse than judging HISTORY by modern day standards. WarGamer Mar 2024 #100

Disagree 100% underpants Mar 2024 #101

Disagree, elleng Mar 2024 #102

Ridiculous Mountainguy Mar 2024 #103

Finally, the woman's side of the story senseandsensibility Mar 2024 #106

She could come back from the dead and lecture the people who seem to think they speak for her in the thread BannonsLiver Mar 2024 #113

No shit MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2024 #116

Agreed. It's "trying too hard" for progressive street cred IMO. BannonsLiver Mar 2024 #118

Progressives seem like they always Mountainguy Mar 2024 #124

It's getting ridiculous. MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2024 #128

Didn't they find that women years later.. Omnipresent Mar 2024 #104

How do they know it was non-consensual? n/t TygrBright Mar 2024 #105

It should be removed. CrispyQ Mar 2024 #107

Of course some stuff is worth digging into. Prairie_Seagull Mar 2024 #108

Keep it. pandr32 Mar 2024 #109

Oh, good heavens. That's an iconic photo. They need to get a grip. Vinca Mar 2024 #111

The stop action of photos, makes a kiss look like it lasts forever. LakeArenal Mar 2024 #112

Agree johnp3907 Mar 2024 #114

How do we know it was non-consensual? Goodheart Mar 2024 #122

No RandySF Mar 2024 #126

Disagree. Xavier Breath Mar 2024 #129

I appreciate the varied opinions in this thread True Dough Mar 2024 #130

Definitely leave it alone!!! nt Raine Mar 2024 #131

Did she file a complaint? OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2024 #132

Unconsentual surrender. Timeflyer Mar 2024 #133

we need to stop this bad time travel shit. that was THEN, this is NOW. its a great photo. it was a euphoric time. pansypoo53219 Mar 2024 #136

A kiss is just a kiss. From the film Casablamca. Ping Tung Mar 2024 #139