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JoeyT

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206. At least these threads serve a useful purpose.

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:16 PM

Nov 2012

They stop us from pointing and laughing too hard at the right for being full of AGW deniers and creationists. Two groups that also pretend the science is on their side without ever offering any actual proof.

This story hits almost every single red flag for being a crackpot.
Magic bullet? Check.
Doctor speaking way outside his field? Check.
Offering absolutely no evidence? Check.
Poor understanding of science? Check.
Claiming people that oppose you are doing it for profit motive while selling a book? Check.
Insisting the plural of anecdote is data? Check.

I'll believe him when he's got some peer reviewed research to back him up. Until then he's selling The Secret with wheat having replaced bad thoughts. I won't hold my breath for that research, though, since he's completely wrong about several objective facts. (Gliadin isn't new. Gliadin is not an opiate.)

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Modern wheat a "perfect, chronic poison," doctor says [View all] SoCalDem Nov 2012 OP

So if it's an opiate... Deep13 Nov 2012 #1

It's more like sleepy. n/t BlueToTheBone Nov 2012 #3

But percosets--actual opiates--make me really silly and loopy... Deep13 Nov 2012 #4

That's why it "like" an opiate BlueToTheBone Nov 2012 #6

But you said it attaches to opiate receptors like an opiate. Deep13 Nov 2012 #15

It's a different substance Chemisse Nov 2012 #20

You are suggesting that something that can attach to opiate receptors... Deep13 Nov 2012 #133

Are you aware of "estrogen-like" compounds emitted by plastics? Hekate Nov 2012 #181

no, it wouldn't. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #186

Dosage. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #43

no. different substance. opiate blockers bind to opiate receptors. they have HiPointDem Nov 2012 #116

I eat pounds of wheat every week. Deep13 Nov 2012 #134

Poster above corrected my error. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #164

I Can Testify To That .. My Mother .. who.. YOHABLO Nov 2012 #62

What does that have to do with opiate receptors? nt Deep13 Nov 2012 #131

I took myself off wheat for about 10 months a while back. By doing that, I demolished my Squinch Nov 2012 #63

If I had a tolerance, then percosets would not work. Deep13 Nov 2012 #135

Just curious as to your expertise in this area Vinnie From Indy Nov 2012 #209

Not an opiate. Igel Nov 2012 #8

Hasn't selective polination and seed selection for size... Deep13 Nov 2012 #14

gliadin isn't specific to wheat. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #50

No, it's not. Igel Nov 2012 #142

Barley, BTW, has gluten and we Celiacs can't touch it tavalon Nov 2012 #175

There's a new beer out there customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #183

Thank you for the info tavalon Nov 2012 #191

Okay, that last paragraph rrneck Nov 2012 #66

Thanks Mr. Wizard. GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #78

The points are simple. Igel Nov 2012 #143

I think he skipped the part tavalon Nov 2012 #177

Not quite. Gliadin antibodies have been used as a marker for celiac disease pnwmom Nov 2012 #212

It might bind to the receptors but it never did a thing for me Warpy Nov 2012 #41

Wheat allergies exist, but that does not make wheat a drug... Deep13 Nov 2012 #137

No, it sure doesn't Warpy Nov 2012 #220

Your name isn't Dagwood Champion Jack Nov 2012 #199

Doesn't gluten always contain gliadin? FarCenter Nov 2012 #2

shhh! Don't confuse us with facts! nilram Nov 2012 #37

Yes, but some people produce gliadin antibodies pnwmom Nov 2012 #213

Probably because the disease has not progressed to attacking the intestinal lining FarCenter Nov 2012 #222

No, it's more than that. pnwmom Nov 2012 #226

Corporate crapola foodlike 'product' is slowly, steadily poisoning America Berlum Nov 2012 #5

Yeah, but does include wheat? Deep13 Nov 2012 #16

wrong. Locrian Nov 2012 #24

every food plant in the world has been selectively bred, not to mention the semi- HiPointDem Nov 2012 #51

Yippiee! Does that mean I can go on eating it until I have to wear glasses? left on green only Nov 2012 #148

Yup. Igel Nov 2012 #146

I have sugar addiction issues liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #7

Me, too. No white bread products or sugar. nt Bigmack Nov 2012 #10

And for me, it is poison tavalon Nov 2012 #179

Same here. I have to wonder if the weight loss issues referred to in the article... wakemewhenitsover Nov 2012 #198

There are lots of other flours available xfundy Nov 2012 #9

Oat bran is a good choice, I think. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #31

Granola is one of my favorite foods liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #48

One not mentioned there is kamut. Squinch Nov 2012 #69

kamut contains the poison gliadin! HiPointDem Nov 2012 #80

Xfundy was simply referencing an article about alternatives to wheat. I didn't take that as Squinch Nov 2012 #129

kamut *is* wheat. it's not an alternative to wheat, it's a type of wheat. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #140

I know a woman who sees Dr Davis postulater Nov 2012 #11

Anything that doesn't further enrich the death merchants is woo, silly rabbit. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #13

Ain't it the truth. postulater Nov 2012 #18

Awfully cynical view... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #46

Refusing to dismiss claims out of hand is not the same as accepting them. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #86

Pascal's wager in nutritional form. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #125

Atheism is a religion? Why not wheat? Look, I'm personally pretty sure that the answer to most Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #141

No. The problem is... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #155

I agree that this guy is hyping to high heaven - And that he is playing loose with the facts Chemisse Nov 2012 #189

it's certainly woo if it promotes falsehoods like "gliadin is a new protein". HiPointDem Nov 2012 #56

It might be wrong, but using pejoratives is of no help and, as you might know, there Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #77

i aced organic chemistry too. and? the fact is that none of the "variables" HiPointDem Nov 2012 #81

Then you should know that you don't know, and you should also know that the wheat we are being Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #91

i fully acknowledge that *all* wheat we eat today isn't precisely the same as HiPointDem Nov 2012 #95

When you claim the difference is a protein that has been in wheat since antiquity jeff47 Nov 2012 #98

Your mind simply cannot grasp how little I care about your opinion. You do this all the time, Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #106

No, try reading that again. I'm calling him a liar. jeff47 Nov 2012 #112

Woo and truth can look awfully similar jollyreaper2112 Nov 2012 #19

Doesn't mean his claims are accurate. Igel Nov 2012 #150

Truth cannot be suppressed forever, no matter how big a budget is behind the lies. K&R n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #12

Truth has to be based in fact, not panic, to be truth. nt Deep13 Nov 2012 #17

What is, is. Real results and real science. You just have to get out of American fantasyland to Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #21

all I know is my real results are that whole grain wheat helps liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #23

Then there you go. Results are what matters and we are all individuals. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #101

if you have to sell your results by lying, they're not all that matters. if i secretly fed HiPointDem Nov 2012 #176

First you claim a false equivalency and that is just cheap. If you fed me a tapeworm that would be Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #180

you & *your* buddies seem to think its your right to promote health claims in HiPointDem Nov 2012 #185

So, you're going to talk around the question and try to characterize your weirdness Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #202

Wheat is about 70% Carbohydrates, mainly starch... reACTIONary Nov 2012 #204

whole grains are complex carbohydrates liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #210

Thanks for the response. Ironically... reACTIONary Nov 2012 #224

Jesus-fucking Christ! longship Nov 2012 #22

"Food is good for you" is an incredible oversimplification NoOneMan Nov 2012 #30

Everything my grandmother cooked until she was 89 years old was cooked in lard, Yavapai Nov 2012 #88

Breaking News: Exceptions are Rules! NoOneMan Nov 2012 #89

one of my hobbies is geneology, Yavapai Nov 2012 #92

And one of my hobbies is common sense NoOneMan Nov 2012 #93

Calling it food does not make it so. Consider this: Maineman Nov 2012 #47

I bought Hostess Sno-balls the other day. longship Nov 2012 #73

You think sno-balls are food? Try living on them for a month. You can live on eggs fried in Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #149

Well, I don't think I claimed that. longship Nov 2012 #178

You make some valid points, but to imply that what is being done today is in any way Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #182

My endrcrinologist thinks I may have celiac disease undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #25

Interesting. Matariki Nov 2012 #26

I read his book "Wheat Belly" about a year ago. Ya want the science? Read the book. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #27

So if I wrote a book talking about the dangers of modern oxygen, would you believe it? jeff47 Nov 2012 #57

You shouldn't. Have a nice day. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #96

Then why are you pushing his book if you know he's wrong? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #100

I didn't say that. But if you don't believe it, you shouldn't. I do. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #111

How, exactly, am I misinterpreting his claim that gliadin is a new protein? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #115

He certainly does not say that in the book. As I said above, geckosfeet Nov 2012 #118

There are no "gluten chromosomes". jeff47 Nov 2012 #219

no human food is the food humans 'cut their teeth on'. they've all been modified. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #65

I would not be at all surprised if wheat had been modified a lot more than most other grains, other Squinch Nov 2012 #74

they look pretty similar to me. and they're all modifications as well. but if indians HiPointDem Nov 2012 #90

Maybe. I don't think one error invalidates everything else one has to say. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #109

and emmer, the other ancient wheat domesticated concurrent with einkorn, HiPointDem Nov 2012 #139

I think his point is that the smaller chromsome set produces fewer varieties of gliadins/gluteins geckosfeet Nov 2012 #156

what we know as modern wheat was a natural (done by nature) hybrid 8000 HiPointDem Nov 2012 #170

So the crux of your argument is... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #158

He wrote the book. Not me. I generally agree with his methods but can't geckosfeet Nov 2012 #165

Well, if it was my interwebitube posts you take issue with... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #167

i bet modern arsnic is more perfect arely staircase Nov 2012 #28

I truly believe that Modern "Wheat" or more precisely Glutten is at the heart of all disease.... blue sky at night Nov 2012 #29

Where did disease come from before modern wheat? Shivering Jemmy Nov 2012 #33

God. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #42

believe it or not mortality was much worse a long time ago liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #45

True. But there are immune system diseases that are exploding in incidence now. Squinch Nov 2012 #75

but we don't know why yet liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #85

Well, we can't wait to know why... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #160

Gluten has been in bread since antiquity. jeff47 Nov 2012 #59

why did japanese get sick, then? they barely ate wheat before WW2. but they HiPointDem Nov 2012 #103

I'm waiting for the moral panic over the threat of oxygen. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #32

Dihydrogen Monoxide. Shivering Jemmy Nov 2012 #36

Wheat requires huge amounts of dihydrogen monoxide, which is incorporated into every cell of it. Ian David Nov 2012 #34

His book title is Wheat Belly: Lose the Wheat, Lose the Weight, and Find your Path Back to Health Maineman Nov 2012 #35

I don't trust doctors trying to sell books anymore than I trust corporations liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #39

I guarantee that you swallow more than a dozen chemicals Shivering Jemmy Nov 2012 #40

we're not one of the sickest nations on earth. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #67

Look around you. Point to something in your room that isn't a chemical. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #130

Sounds like a backdoor way of cutting simple carbs. Marr Nov 2012 #187

as i & many others said on the identical OP last month, gliadin is not a new protein. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #38

I was wondering UnseenUndergrad Nov 2012 #71

I heaven05 Nov 2012 #44

I will continue to eat ... DakotaLady Nov 2012 #172

kashi heaven05 Nov 2012 #197

this is nonsense-- gliaden is a component of gluten NoMoreWarNow Nov 2012 #49

What about the WGA Lectin? undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #53

yeah, what about the arsenic found naturally in foods? why is no one talking about it? HiPointDem Nov 2012 #76

exactly! Why is even ASKING the question so bothersome to people? undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #105

i specifically said that all plants have defense mechanisms. i also said lectins HiPointDem Nov 2012 #154

All foods have good nutrients and troublesome ingredients-- NoMoreWarNow Nov 2012 #195

yes-- definitely lectins can be toxic NoMoreWarNow Nov 2012 #194

This hack is lying. jeff47 Nov 2012 #52

What about the WGA Lectin? Nobody is touching this undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #58

Because a lectin is just a sugar-binding protein. jeff47 Nov 2012 #61

It was either on DU or Alternet last week... jerseyjack Nov 2012 #54

This again? MNBrewer Nov 2012 #55

Do you know what lectins do when ingested? undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #60

I know what lectins do, period MNBrewer Nov 2012 #79

Ok undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #94

It's only a problem if you are allergic to it liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #99

they all have lectin. which is more or less destroyed when you cook it. so unless HiPointDem Nov 2012 #83

Why are people ducking the WGA lectin issue? undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #64

you just went from makes me wonder to the culprit is... liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #72

That is what nutritionists and doctors are apparently concernerd about. undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #102

look we're not going to change each other's mind liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #107

Agree to dissagree undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #127

but it could be done more credibly liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #144

Why are you ducking all the replies? jeff47 Nov 2012 #104

I agree undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #117

Proteins are destroyed by cooking. jeff47 Nov 2012 #126

prions are not destroyed by cooking,they are proteins, undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #132

The food value of protein is not protein, it is the amino acids that it gets broken down into. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #201

Prions are destroyed by cooking. jeff47 Nov 2012 #215

Didn't duck them undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #124

Posts have timestamps jeff47 Nov 2012 #211

Ah geez EvolveOrConvolve Nov 2012 #68

I guess the only way we will find out if this is true is riverbendviewgal Nov 2012 #70

I did it for a while. For a few days it's hard, but after that, you don't really miss it. Squinch Nov 2012 #82

I know what you are saying riverbendviewgal Nov 2012 #84

Wow! That is great. Congratulations to him! Squinch Nov 2012 #128

Actually, there's a much easier way jeff47 Nov 2012 #108

It's stuff like this svpadgham Nov 2012 #87

Bahahahah! ("It's peeeeeeeople!") Squinch Nov 2012 #207

That's strange. I'm a vegetarian, and I eat bread every day. I've eaten bread Zorra Nov 2012 #97

Wheat was also used to make your pizza crust. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #110

Well, that's just so goddamn... sensible of you. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #162

All chemicals should be removed from food immediately. PavePusher Nov 2012 #113

The toxic ones, yes. undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #120

Could you please just list the nontoxic ones. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #163

Very funny. Squinch Nov 2012 #208

I only eat whole wheat products & I'm not fat, unhealthy, depressed or sleepy wordpix Nov 2012 #114

that's okay undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #119

We've been eating wheat for how many centuries? PavePusher Nov 2012 #123

Elephants take up a lot of space in the room. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #168

Because some CT is more equal than other CT. PavePusher Nov 2012 #171

Well, you really brought out righteous outrage brigade on this one. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #121

Yeah The self rightious gravitate to my threads.. sigh. undergroundpanther Nov 2012 #122

In a way, though, I understand it. Wheat IS so prevalent. It almost is like saying Squinch Nov 2012 #214

A contrarian review of Davis work from The Berkeley Wellness Letter LongTomH Nov 2012 #136

The Berkeley Health Newsletter is one of the best sources for food, healthful living, and the like. byeya Nov 2012 #192

Just a question rosesaylavee Nov 2012 #193

I lost a whole lot of weight this year Canuckistanian Nov 2012 #138

That's it. Just don't eat X so much. Almost never necessary to cut X out entirely. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #203

I agree wholeheartedly Canuckistanian Nov 2012 #223

Ah, the wheat conundrum. Butterbean Nov 2012 #145

I feel the same way liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #151

Exactly. One of the most profound lessons I have learned Butterbean Nov 2012 #153

How the hell is gliadin "new"? Marr Nov 2012 #147

Well, it's new to the doctor who wrote the book, apparently. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #161

Often I feel like I'm going to the "Poison Shop" anymore when I go grocery shopping. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2012 #152

try Whole Foods, food coops or organic stores and eat wordpix Nov 2012 #157

All "excellent" suggestions. I'm finding more and more I have food allergies to what were once just RKP5637 Nov 2012 #166

the "gliadin" nonsense discredits this guy and CBS News Enrique Nov 2012 #159

"who has published a book all about..." Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #169

Well, wheat has always been a poison for me because I have Celiac Sprue tavalon Nov 2012 #173

Uhh, I'll keep eating wheat RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #174

I'm sad ecstatic Nov 2012 #184

Whole wheat pasta is and will continue to be one of my main starches... Systematic Chaos Nov 2012 #188

That is an amazing achievement. Congratulations. Squinch Nov 2012 #216

herp derp Berlum Nov 2012 #190

the fact is that gliadin is a major component of gluten and a huge proportion of the NoMoreWarNow Nov 2012 #196

Your response seems too sensible for this thread. Squinch Nov 2012 #217

I lost about 40 pounds going wheat-free noamnety Nov 2012 #200

That could be more about the reduced carbs and not the wheat itself. nt Incitatus Nov 2012 #225

I no longer eat wheat and I'm no longer diabetic, either Holly_Hobby Nov 2012 #205

Good Lord! All the people who have lost so much weight in this thread! Congratulations! Squinch Nov 2012 #218

Thank you n/t Holly_Hobby Nov 2012 #228

At least these threads serve a useful purpose. JoeyT Nov 2012 #206

The left is full of "nutritionists" who have never taken a physiology or biochemistry course. FarCenter Nov 2012 #221

Add me to the growing list of people who've experienced sense Nov 2012 #227