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33. There are some things I agree with you on....

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:42 PM

Nov 2012

I think the tax scheme is a carbon shell game and I think humanity is living completely incongruently with nature. The reality is that all proposed solutions are being proposed in the context of saving civilization and keeping it going forward. I care fuck all about that.

But as far as the cause, its pretty clear as long as you understand that atmospheric green house gases increase temperature (fortunately, we can simulate this behavior in a simple closed system lab experiment that a 3rd grader can conduct). Now, if we can pinpoint GHG levels as a significant cause of warming with science, and we can correlate green house gas levels to human activity and industrialization (for 2000 years), then it follows that human activity is causing an increase in a condition that promotes warming.

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I am a Climate Change (human caused) agnostic. [View all] RegieRocker Nov 2012 OP

History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of men slackmaster Nov 2012 #1

Oh no, there goes Tokyo ... dawg Nov 2012 #54

How do you know if Godzilla is in the room with you? tblue37 Nov 2012 #169

Faith my friend faith. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #217

Modifying food is wrong, but modifying the atmosphere isn't? immoderate Nov 2012 #2

So you don't consider man made CO2 a polllutant? RegieRocker Nov 2012 #4

I do. How did you infer otherwise from my post? immoderate Nov 2012 #10

"pretty well" aletier_v Nov 2012 #32

Do you have a point? immoderate Nov 2012 #265

Come on you know very well RegieRocker Nov 2012 #37

"They are harming our biosphere" NoOneMan Nov 2012 #146

Acidifying the oceans.... Viking12 Nov 2012 #148

Totally true NoOneMan Nov 2012 #149

I might have misread your intention. immoderate Nov 2012 #267

Thank you for this. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #274

I nominate this thread for a DUzy! AAO Nov 2012 #298

It would have been more factual RegieRocker Nov 2012 #359

The graph, like the site it came from is garbage. AAO Nov 2012 #366

You are truncating the data Nederland Nov 2012 #462

Ok... nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #3

1. Scientists aren't "little people." 2. It's "to tax you and ME," not "I." 3. It's impossible to WinkyDink Nov 2012 #5

I don't prefer either RegieRocker Nov 2012 #7

I agree with most of what you write. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #6

You and I are pretty much on the same page, R.D. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #253

Agnostic about human caused warming? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #8

Yes I am RegieRocker Nov 2012 #15

There are some things I agree with you on.... NoOneMan Nov 2012 #33

Yes but your model is already broken... aletier_v Nov 2012 #35

That is b.s. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #47

Why have you adopted the Republican position on climate change? AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #372

LOL RegieRocker Nov 2012 #382

We don't adopt republican policies, no AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #417

And most democrats RegieRocker Nov 2012 #423

What "far left" ideology? AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #447

OP got locked out of the thread XemaSab Nov 2012 #448

Imagine that AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #449

I believe this is more accurate: Nederland Nov 2012 #463

I don't proclaim to have a model NoOneMan Nov 2012 #50

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So everyone is a nut RegieRocker Nov 2012 #202

everyone that denies the holocaust, evolution, and the human influence on climate is Viking12 Nov 2012 #205

The human influence on climate RegieRocker Nov 2012 #213

WTF are you babbling about? Viking12 Nov 2012 #218

No that was you from the begining RegieRocker Nov 2012 #220

I think maybe you missed my point Nevernose Nov 2012 #273

Holocaust Denial on DU? obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #413

"when has taxing made anything better?" noamnety Nov 2012 #69

This post is not about that RegieRocker Nov 2012 #96

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Tax breaks RegieRocker Nov 2012 #188

What other proven science don't you believe in? edhopper Nov 2012 #9

There's evidence that warming is happening aletier_v Nov 2012 #24

Well I guess you haven't read edhopper Nov 2012 #78

Here ya go - from the good folks in the E/E Forum... jpak Nov 2012 #244

Check out the Scripps Institute for Oceanography website for starts. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #321

"Proven science" is a major oxymoron!!! Proof only exists in mathematics and logic... yawnmaster Nov 2012 #478

Popperesque drivel nt/ edhopper Nov 2012 #487

Actually not drivel at all. I am seeing a lack of the understanding of the scientific process... yawnmaster Nov 2012 #493

It's time we started banning people who say they are agnostic about human-made global warming. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #11

+1 XemaSab Nov 2012 #110

I think we should ban people who teacher-bash & labor-bash too. Doubt that HiPointDem Nov 2012 #190

just curious why would you rec this garbage? grantcart Nov 2012 #420

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #424

Global warming denial isn't just for the RW anymore n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #460

There is nothing 'agnostic' in his positions AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #378

if you don't understand something, that doesn't make it not true CreekDog Nov 2012 #12

there are many uncertainties around the subject quinnox Nov 2012 #13

That is an intelligent reply RegieRocker Nov 2012 #17

The source for that reply is not a very good one. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #323

"we can't be certain that human behavior is contributing..." NoOneMan Nov 2012 #20

Yes, it could easily be coincidence aletier_v Nov 2012 #25

Which part is a coincidence? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #40

You have no direct proof, you have correlation aletier_v Nov 2012 #42

Where does all man's carbon go then? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #53

really, correlation is all the evidence there is? Viking12 Nov 2012 #99

Yes, it's not like CO2's properties include trapping heat energy from longwave radiation . . . . hatrack Nov 2012 #139

But does 30 billion tons a year of CO2 released in the atmosphere actually end up in the atmosphere? NoOneMan Nov 2012 #141

CO2 PPM goes up. joshcryer Nov 2012 #308

Incredibly so NoOneMan Nov 2012 #330

That is what the cigarette companies said about JDPriestly Nov 2012 #328

Wouldn't "extrapolation" be the correct term? MH1 Nov 2012 #470

You can't "prove" causation. immoderate Nov 2012 #270

Driving drunk merely correlates with having an accident. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #331

I think you misread me. immoderate Nov 2012 #345

CO2 absorbs infared radiation. That is physical reality. joshcryer Nov 2012 #307

What an ignorant crock 'o shite - really jpak Nov 2012 #245

"It isn't a topic I have done much research on" joshcryer Nov 2012 #305

Something I remember from California The Straight Story Nov 2012 #14

Very true. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #263

My opinion... sarisataka Nov 2012 #16

My post unequivocally stated RegieRocker Nov 2012 #19

Not sure about how I would be taxed sarisataka Nov 2012 #28

Exactly RegieRocker Nov 2012 #48

The only people I see get this lathered up over taxes are usually republicans. AAO Nov 2012 #300

That's kind of my take on it too aletier_v Nov 2012 #30

We could have a lot of control of India and China if we JDPriestly Nov 2012 #333

Watch the recent PBS two part special about the Dust Bowl.... WCGreen Nov 2012 #18

I did when it first showed RegieRocker Nov 2012 #22

Rush is that you? Viking12 Nov 2012 #21

You don't know Rush do you? RegieRocker Nov 2012 #23

Nice dodge. Viking12 Nov 2012 #27

Don't accuse someone of your RegieRocker Nov 2012 #58

So you're economically illiterate too? Viking12 Nov 2012 #92

That would be you RegieRocker Nov 2012 #104

You're the one that doesn't know how taxation works as a policy tool. Viking12 Nov 2012 #109

No you don't. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #125

I guess you won that argument! AAO Nov 2012 #301

The whole point of taxing polluting substances is to JDPriestly Nov 2012 #335

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Your "pollutants are bad" argument AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #391

I've been around RegieRocker Nov 2012 #396

Again AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #403

don't hold your breath. Javaman Nov 2012 #472

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Don't live on the beach and RegieRocker Nov 2012 #51

It's a metaphor AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #74

Very few are denying that it is RegieRocker Nov 2012 #84

Mitt Romney: �We Don�t Know What�s Causing Climate Change On This Planet� AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #131

That is b.s. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #137

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What is BS? AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #371

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You are convinced AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #406

"I'm not saying the CC & GW isn't true. I simply stated I do not believe." Javaman Nov 2012 #474

So "the smart ones" to you exclude the group known as "scientists"? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #201

Well it's guaranteed it's not the smart RegieRocker Nov 2012 #203

... War Horse Nov 2012 #29

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Got as far as 28 sec RegieRocker Nov 2012 #55

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And this graph was made especially for you RegieRocker Nov 2012 #377

I believe this is more accurate: Nederland Nov 2012 #464

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Why does it matter? RegieRocker Nov 2012 #38

Of course pollution is bad, but since industrial pollution is impossible to completely eliminate JaneyVee Nov 2012 #56

No no no... RegieRocker Nov 2012 #62

Oh I see, you're suggesting eliminating industrial pollution altogether?? JaneyVee Nov 2012 #70

Think about what you just said RegieRocker Nov 2012 #75

Yeah, it sounds great, but it will never happen. Here's what taxation can do: JaneyVee Nov 2012 #81

That will never happen. Who is we. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #101

I think we're kind of on the same page in terms of utopia. The difference is... JaneyVee Nov 2012 #239

Taxation is the only way to force *ahem* deniers to change. morningfog Nov 2012 #142

No RegieRocker Nov 2012 #160

Taxes are punishment? AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #408

Unbelievable just RegieRocker Nov 2012 #425

Carbon should be taxed out of existence AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #471

Seems like your only REAL concern is your taxes. Hmmmm.... AAO Nov 2012 #304

Yes and that is pollution RegieRocker Nov 2012 #44

But industrial pollution can't be stopped, it can be capped. JaneyVee Nov 2012 #60

You mean like Lotteries RegieRocker Nov 2012 #65

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I know and agree RegieRocker Nov 2012 #77

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It is an indisputable fact that the Earth is warming. dawg Nov 2012 #34

I personally wouldn't mind a littlem more warmth RegieRocker Nov 2012 #43

It isn't the heat. dawg Nov 2012 #49

and isn't the cause RegieRocker Nov 2012 #57

Well, that's what you say you're agnostic about. dawg Nov 2012 #63

What I said was RegieRocker Nov 2012 #67

Every time you exhale or fart you emit either CO2 or methane. dawg Nov 2012 #76

So now it's the cows is it. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #79

The point is that we can't magically eliminate all emissions like you claim to want to do. dawg Nov 2012 #83

The point was RegieRocker Nov 2012 #88

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"disruption on a scale even more massive than climate change is likely to cause." AAO Nov 2012 #309

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Cows are a component of man-made totalitarian agriculture NoOneMan Nov 2012 #86

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OK! RegieRocker Nov 2012 #398

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I think maybe global warming doesn't mean exactly what you think it does. nt Marrah_G Nov 2012 #455

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A 4 degree rise in global temperature would be devastating to agriculture. dawg Nov 2012 #52

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And the continental US is in its worst drought in decades NoOneMan Nov 2012 #64

I don't think that you understand the concept Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #66

Strange only to Fox News fans. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #236

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Define "worst" AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #385

Increasingly, though, I've been seeing research that is beginning to strongly indicate..... AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #451

Hotter overall temps put more moisture in the atmosphere... Javaman Nov 2012 #476

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Global warming causes weather extremes Marrah_G Nov 2012 #456

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with hotter temps there is more moisture in the atmospher. Javaman Nov 2012 #475

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+1 Electric Monk Nov 2012 #158

You'e a RegieRocker Nov 2012 #163

The conceit of anti-intellectualism Matariki Nov 2012 #59

Educate your ownself and RegieRocker Nov 2012 #68

And there you go. The response of someone stubbornly uninformed. Matariki Nov 2012 #72

Read this RegieRocker Nov 2012 #80

Do you know why this cooling occurred? Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #112

You mean like this RegieRocker Nov 2012 #117

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Nope RegieRocker Nov 2012 #123

Your graphs are based on data that has been disproven. Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #130

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Once again RegieRocker Nov 2012 #162

Few hundred years? The link focus on the Earth 6,000 years ago. Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #235

Hell look at the graph RegieRocker Nov 2012 #426

200 years? What on Earth are you talking about? The link talks about the past 10,000 years!!!! Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #437

some people enjoy being obtuce rather than admit they are wrong. Javaman Nov 2012 #480

Oh, and you can stop worrying about that carbon tax. dawg Nov 2012 #61

Agreed RegieRocker Nov 2012 #71

Simplistic teabag mentality. OK, I'll bite. I go for elimination over tax. (snaps fingers) AAO Nov 2012 #312

Wrong snap RegieRocker Nov 2012 #361

Not enough incentive to offset the offenders huge profits. AAO Nov 2012 #369

It would be if we raised RegieRocker Nov 2012 #373

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"The Conversion of a Climate-Change Skeptic" War Horse Nov 2012 #91

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That is the point RegieRocker Nov 2012 #164

So where do you think the pollutants come from? Mice? Rocks? Goldfish? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #207

Are you serious RegieRocker Nov 2012 #210

I know I should drop this by now, but... War Horse Nov 2012 #224

Wouldn't that mean RegieRocker Nov 2012 #227

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Then your a doomsayer. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #362

"you're" not "your". Javaman Nov 2012 #482

Jesus - who causes pollution? The dolphins? Santa Claus? AAO Nov 2012 #314

I'm agnostic on genetic engineered food liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #95

You don't think scientists who are experts on the subject have included natural climate cycles Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #97

400k years RegieRocker Nov 2012 #108

Well, mostly so anyway. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #252

Not only that, but every year they find the models not aggressive enough. AAO Nov 2012 #315

Calm Down aletier_v Nov 2012 #100

Sad but true RegieRocker Nov 2012 #103

Let's be happy that the two of you evolved beyond monkeyhood Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #156

You are willfully ignorant or in denial. morningfog Nov 2012 #102

That would be you RegieRocker Nov 2012 #107

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This is about Global warming RegieRocker Nov 2012 #119

Of course it's about global warming Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #126

You're still not addressing RegieRocker Nov 2012 #135

I addressed your links as directly as humanly possible Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #237

Pollutants RegieRocker Nov 2012 #296

Your graph is only as good as understanding the mechanism's behind it which you don't understand Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #407

Don't hold your breath for a reply... Javaman Nov 2012 #484

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This is why deniers and lukewarmers XemaSab Nov 2012 #115

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One idea is nonsense NoOneMan Nov 2012 #128

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I see that across the board RegieRocker Nov 2012 #133

"The fact is pollution is bad" NoOneMan Nov 2012 #145

More b.s. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #157

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You first be polite not rude RegieRocker Nov 2012 #166

I've addressed it elsewhere NoOneMan Nov 2012 #175

I believe RegieRocker Nov 2012 #183

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Unbelievable RegieRocker Nov 2012 #194

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I'm not the ... 99Forever Nov 2012 #180

Issues RegieRocker Nov 2012 #185

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Do you know RegieRocker Nov 2012 #172

I know what an agnostic is, I just don't believe you. morningfog Nov 2012 #272

No. And I don't care if you believe me or not. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #275

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That's a bold statement... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #150

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I'm not remotely... sendero Nov 2012 #151

me too. i used to be a human-caused adherent, but after researching the HiPointDem Nov 2012 #154

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They come with the first snowflake each year.... Junkdrawer Nov 2012 #178

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Same place as yours RegieRocker Nov 2012 #184

I doubt that. Shivering Jemmy Nov 2012 #221

So you have a degree in RegieRocker Nov 2012 #225

Paleoclimate modeling Shivering Jemmy Nov 2012 #234

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The earth has gone through many climate changes long before the industrial revolution.... Xipe Totec Nov 2012 #191

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It would be unfortunate if we were to trigger the next extinction level event Xipe Totec Nov 2012 #256

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Maybe. If I'm wrong, there will be a lot of embarrassed scientists. If you're wrong... Xipe Totec Nov 2012 #261

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The whole point of what is causing it is irrelevant. randome Nov 2012 #193

If what is causing it is irrelevant RegieRocker Nov 2012 #197

The effect is the only thing that matters. randome Nov 2012 #200

The solution is not going RegieRocker Nov 2012 #206

Of course you don't go after the effect. randome Nov 2012 #223

That was my point RegieRocker Nov 2012 #226

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Once again redundancy blossoms RegieRocker Nov 2012 #209

LOL. A rightwing collection of fake academics? Viking12 Nov 2012 #215

Fallacy RegieRocker Nov 2012 #216

And Irving kristol! AAO Nov 2012 #325

OP is arguing that all pollution is bad, so thus we need not discuss the reasons, causes or effects! WinkyDink Nov 2012 #208

How would you know it's a pollutant RegieRocker Nov 2012 #211

You're the OP; YOU answer it. All you wrote is " I however believe that all pollution should as WinkyDink Nov 2012 #212

No you answer it. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #214

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ORLY? XemaSab Nov 2012 #240

Yeah, really. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #246

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Regie, actually. What the heck is a Regie, anyway? Someone who can't even spell their own name? Electric Monk Nov 2012 #337

This message was self-deleted by its author Electric Monk Nov 2012 #337

Extinction doesn't have to be on the table for there to be lots of concern Silent3 Nov 2012 #242

That is definitely true. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #247

Check out the two other people ProSense Nov 2012 #238

The OP refuses to make a connection between pollution and global climate change. EOS. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #248

Yeah, it sucks. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #250

I was one of those who Recced; lemme explain why. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #251

If they're "Cassandras", why get your knickers in a twist? hatrack Nov 2012 #268

Well, I mean self-appointed "Cassandras", that is. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #269

As opposed to those Cassandras that are appointed by an official body? GliderGuider Nov 2012 #311

I don't believe you! hatrack Nov 2012 #347

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That much is true. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #258

Humans are the locusts of our ecosystem. AAO Nov 2012 #334

youre kidding right? bowens43 Nov 2012 #262

You made one fatal error of logic... Speck Tater Nov 2012 #264

What a crock RegieRocker Nov 2012 #292

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You might have a point. Too bad here on the DU things are black or white on many issues! n-t Logical Nov 2012 #266

Unfortunate, but very true in this case, sadly. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #271

As an agnostic RegieRocker Nov 2012 #276

Being a dumbass is never okay XemaSab Nov 2012 #277

Then how do you forgive yourself RegieRocker Nov 2012 #278

Congratulations! Systematic Chaos Nov 2012 #284

Right back at ya! RegieRocker Nov 2012 #285

Your mom. Systematic Chaos Nov 2012 #293

Your dad. RegieRocker Nov 2012 #294

Fucking POLLUTANTS dude! Systematic Chaos Nov 2012 #295

Peace RegieRocker Nov 2012 #357

You just look silly at this point! Logical Nov 2012 #443

You can tell me I'm silly when I spam "your mom" 15 fucking times in this thread. Systematic Chaos Nov 2012 #444

Well, okay then, I guess that clears things a bit. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #282

Thank you! RegieRocker Nov 2012 #286

right we should go back and debate whether or not Copernicus was really right or not. grantcart Nov 2012 #436

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It's 95% true. joshcryer Nov 2012 #445

Ocean Acidification is 100% real and 100% caused by human activity. grantcart Nov 2012 #446

occam's razor. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #279

Yup...actually this is what my colleague (Earth Science teacher) stated. vaberella Nov 2012 #280

Why does CC and GW RegieRocker Nov 2012 #289

How many of those "extreme phases" have been supportive of technological sophisticated civs Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #340

Just so we can get a metric on your "beliefs" grantcart Nov 2012 #281

More redundancy RegieRocker Nov 2012 #288

Sometimes you just have to break it down so it can be digested by a sixth grader. grantcart Nov 2012 #344

Well, fuck. cliffordu Nov 2012 #346

Really now? RegieRocker Nov 2012 #353

No I said that since you were unable to even cite the correct age of the earth you couldn't have grantcart Nov 2012 #393

Boom go the dynamite cliffordu Nov 2012 #397

So if I forgot the s RegieRocker Nov 2012 #401

What about this? grantcart Nov 2012 #433

His answer below, translated: Option 1). Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #341

Well, I'm an earth scientist, and your 'agnosticism' is bullshit TransitJohn Nov 2012 #283

Sure you do RegieRocker Nov 2012 #287

Sure I do what? TransitJohn Nov 2012 #290

Your science is bullshit RegieRocker Nov 2012 #291

So, how long until Greenland becomes the only place in the universe colder than absolute zero? Systematic Chaos Nov 2012 #297

That fucking graph ends 124 years ago. joshcryer Nov 2012 #310

Solid facts and good arguments mean nothing to this fellow Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #327

That GISP2 talking point pisses me off. joshcryer Nov 2012 #336

You're fooling yourself and others big time RegieRocker Nov 2012 #354

Your graph ENDS in 1886. Are you kidding me? joshcryer Nov 2012 #414

And all your graphs leave out hundreds of thousands of years RegieRocker Nov 2012 #422

Huh? Yours only goes back 10k. Can you not read your own graph? joshcryer Nov 2012 #428

Do you refute the graph? RegieRocker Nov 2012 #431

No, the answer is no, your graph doesn't include post-industrial warming. joshcryer Nov 2012 #434

I gave you a fucking link that explains why it was warmer 6,000 years ago Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #440

He is either willfully ignorant or just plain not too sharp or perhaps just playing games Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #438

He's just repeatedly posting the graph now. joshcryer Nov 2012 #439

I agree, this is getting comical and somewhat strange and bizarre! nt Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #441

That repeated "graph" of his... Iterate Nov 2012 #486

Yeah, I remembered that graph and David Lappi's connection. joshcryer Nov 2012 #488

I'd be surprised if there wasn't a Palin connection there as well. Iterate Nov 2012 #491

you clearly have an agenda, why are you afraid to own in by feigning ignorance in your OP? CreekDog Nov 2012 #348

I have more time RegieRocker Nov 2012 #356

Daily Mail "Science". Quite telling.... Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #342

Boy, this thread reminds me of the olden days! GliderGuider Nov 2012 #313

CO2 Levels in the US have actually been dropping rightsideout Nov 2012 #329

Except they haven't NoOneMan Nov 2012 #332

I believe he is correct on this RegieRocker Nov 2012 #349

You believe in a lot of anti-science positions NoOneMan Nov 2012 #350

LOL RegieRocker Nov 2012 #351

Well forgive me NoOneMan Nov 2012 #352

Automatically fogiven RegieRocker Nov 2012 #355

It makes a difference to me NoOneMan Nov 2012 #358

Well RegieRocker Nov 2012 #364

"Technology alone will get us out of this mess only" NoOneMan Nov 2012 #368

I see that RegieRocker Nov 2012 #429

Except they have . . . "U.S. energy-related CO2 emissions in early 2012 lowest since 1992" rightsideout Nov 2012 #411

Here is a link to the accompanying graph from the US Energy Information Administration rightsideout Nov 2012 #412

"energy-related" is only a slice of the pie NoOneMan Nov 2012 #415

That's pretty misleading because it's conditioned on "energy-related CO2." joshcryer Nov 2012 #419

That's the thing about science... RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #337

I like that Tobin S. Nov 2012 #370

I don't like this quote of his regarding science, as the scientific method... yawnmaster Nov 2012 #483

Science is science. We, of course,can be mistaken about it. RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #490

Yep. we must not treat science as a religion or god...science is not faith driven... yawnmaster Nov 2012 #492

I understand. treestar Nov 2012 #376

"At least, to date, I don't know how to argue it with right wingers/deniers." ProSense Nov 2012 #384

No you don't get it either RegieRocker Nov 2012 #392

I get it: You're confused. n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #395

That's one of their arguments treestar Nov 2012 #416

I see it the other way around RegieRocker Nov 2012 #388

What a crock of shit! ProSense Nov 2012 #394

You're can't refute the facts RegieRocker Nov 2012 #421

You aren't agnostic, you clearly side with denialists. joshcryer Nov 2012 #430

You are a believer RegieRocker Nov 2012 #432

I have ALREADY refuted it. It ignores 124 years of warming. joshcryer Nov 2012 #435

"If burning fossil fuels can warm the planet, then good." ProSense Nov 2012 #457

You are comparing scientists to tea baggers AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #410

The endpoint of your graph does not match observed temperatures Nederland Nov 2012 #468

It is of note that is only one proxy, other proxies aren't as extreme: joshcryer Nov 2012 #489

Being agnostic is one thing, being obstinate is another intaglio Nov 2012 #405

Obstinate is not accepting RegieRocker Nov 2012 #427

Ah! yes, the Other Warmings intaglio Nov 2012 #453

I am certainly getting a good education Mojorabbit Nov 2012 #450

The only surefire way to combat global warming.. Permanut Nov 2012 #454

No, the poster is peddling crap from a fan of Senator Inhofe ProSense Nov 2012 #458

Define "pollution" as you mean it in your OP. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #459

Another Gungeoneer who has billh58 Nov 2012 #461

I am glad I have stayed well clear of the idiocy that is this thread AngryAmish Nov 2012 #466

465 replies, and 5 recs. That tell you anything Regie? n/t 99Forever Nov 2012 #467

Many Uhhhhmericans datasuspect Nov 2012 #469

I agree. catfish57 Nov 2012 #473

Links? References? Xipe Totec Nov 2012 #477

I am a Gravity agnostic. H2O Man Nov 2012 #481

I expect to debate climate change deniers on conservative media sites. Not here. stevenleser Nov 2012 #485

Climate change isn't the only issue in which you feign "impartiality." 2ndAmForComputers Dec 2012 #495