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In reply to the discussion: Justice for JFK [View all]Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 24, 2012, 04:38 PM - Edit history (1)
Posts 84, 188, 263, 97, 121, 100, 102, 107 are the 8 (so far) where reading the W.C. is the price of the admission ticket to be able to treat with 'stop' on any matters related to this issue. A bonus of post 193, 375 by stop and 313 and 119 by zap are admonishments to read up on Ruby by perusing certain specified sources.
I can't apologize to you for what appears to be 'dirty pool' on my part, because I don't believe I was playing dirty to point out what I regard as dirty pool on their part.
I think before anyone has to read the Warren Commission report, they can adjudge who put it together and how it was put together, and who was in it, and how they proceeded. None of the people who I judged to be good post-ers are lacking in work ethic or due diligence, in the sources they've located and studied, whether they read the report or not.
My point about McCloy speaks to my opinion about the people behind the assassination, far-right elements in the U.S. power structure. There was tons of legit source speculation at the time that it was far-right elements who were behind the assassination. I'd quote Time magazine for 12/6/63 (Vol.82 - No. 23) and Newsweek magazine 12/9/63 on that point. See, there is no Warren report yet, and America wants to know what happened. Mainstream sources are 'explaining' it to us, so even if their trustworthiness is questionable, getting their first 'trial balloon' - floated 'take' on the subject is informative. The mags pointed out that India's Pro-American Swatantra Party leader officialy stated that it looked like a big money conspiracy behind the plot. France's Le Monde, and France- Observateur said that the police were involved in the plot, with editorial cartoon charges that the KKK was involved. Israeli press depicted Kennedy as engaged in a duel with Khrushchev, with a knife stuck into his back from his own side. The UK's Dennis Brogan, Nigeria's 'Zik', all kinds of international sources weighing in to say this isn't just one man's work. Time's concise description of the entire world-wide progressive left view was that it was 'a carefully conceived 'rightist' plot, tied up with the KKK and John Birch Society.' Oswald was 'a tool of the rightists, and Jack Ruby had shot Oswald, with police connivance, to silence him.' Time attributed this theory to 'Communists everywhere', but a ton of other nations and Democrats (like me) also see the prime suspect as the far-right, so that is Time's attempt to smear people with that view as communists, a tactic the repugs continue TO this DAY, on ANY given issue.
The ultra-right Bircher Hunt family from Dallas, the Klan and Minutemen, actual nazis who were in our intel and Nat'l security apparatus via Project Overdark (later Paperclip), ultra-right Cubans, ultra-right mobsters, ultra-right oil and banking interests. Those are violent, powerful, criminal, obvious subjects. They've been shown to overlap numerous times, in terms of interests and actions. So who is on the Warren Commission? Republican Chief Justice Earl Warren (Newsweek on 12/9/63, p. 34 reported that DC security was stepped up as 'threats to officials - especially Chief Justice Earl Warren - multiplied'. Warren, the guy whose failed efforts to oppose his appointment resulted in him weeping, who had been the subject of a far-right campaign to 'Impeach Earl Warren'), far-right repug congressman Gerald Ford, repug CIA man and nazi money launderer Allen Dulles (recently forced out by Kennedy, along with Dallas mayor Cabell's brother), southern repug Senator Cooper from KY, two reluctant southern Dems (GA Sen Russell, and LA Rep Hale Boggs - who had a little airplane trouble later, Cokie's dad), and John McCloy.
McCloy can easily be researched on-line with a few words in a search engine. I have an article from 'The New Republic', 5/11/92, pp. 40 - 45, by Georgetown U. Professor Jacob Heilbrunn. He was reviewing two books on McCloy, one by excellent writer / author Kai Bird. and one by Thomas A Schwartz. It is chock full of McCloy's far-right fascist and repug moves and connections, and his shady legal dealings and connections to big oil and banking. I can't transmit it to you, so if you can't get it yourself, here's a couple of on-line search links:
McCloy Malmedy:
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AiaFzJ2zFOiZjzrPd3zSmO6bvZx4?p=McCloy+Malmedy&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701
McCloy Auschwitz:
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7mRC.7BQqh0AgcpXNyoA?p=McCloy%20Auschwitz&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-701
Do nothing to oppose the nazis, do everything to protect the nazis, that about sums up McCloy's WWII era efforts.
I'll throw this one in, too:
Impeach Earl Warren:
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7mRC.7BQqh0AgcpXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGFvA2FvBGNzcmNwdmlkA1gzbXMzVW9HN3Y0WG1PMVlPY3BoUXhIMGJDQU1KRkN3LjBzQUN3THkEZnIDeWZwLXQtNzAxBGZyMgNzYnRuBG5fZ3BzAzMEb3JpZ2luA3NycARwcXN0cgNJbXBlYWNoIEVhcmwgV2FycmVuBHF1ZXJ5A0ltcGVhY2ggRWFybCBXYXJyZW4Ec2FvAzE-?p=Impeach%20Earl%20Warren&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-701&pqstr=Impeach%20Earl%20Warren
So to sum up, the compostion of the Warren Commission is very interesting, but not interesting in a way that prompts me to study their umpteen volume zillion page report. I've sure read a ton of stuff about it, and stuff that refers to it. I just took a little short cut by finding out who produced it, before spending multitudinous hours studying it. If I studied other sources and my prime suspects are the top of the repug power structure, I don't see why I should perform the suggested task. The membership list is not a confidence builder. Especially when the repug presidents Reagan and l'il bush, the heroes of the repug party, and romney the also-ran, wouldn't even read 2 page or 4 page bullet pointed summaries on the most important national security issues. Proudly lazy, and the adherents of the party who is my prime suspect just love them.
Your request that I empanel a Commission is academic, but how about people who aren't right-wing, people who aren't repugs, people who aren't Southern conservatives, people who aren't nazis, people who aren't intel, oil, banking connected, people who haven't been threatened and coerced and leaned on. That would make the panel composed of Northerners, Easterners, Westerners, Democrats, progressives, anti-nazis, people who investigated criminal moves by intel oil and big banking, I'd even take Long, Rayburn, Albert from the Southern Dems. How about people who aren't coerced, threatened, and leaned on? That description sounds like the good DU ers to me, and also sounds like many of the journalistic sources used by those good DUers.