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2. True - but elites are (with exceptions) no longer interested in the economy

Thu Mar 14, 2024, 05:54 PM

Mar 2024

They want a monopoly not only on money - but on happiness itself. They want even simple pleasures to become luxuries.

It's no longer economics - it's egomania.

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Bernie: ''Moving to a 32-hour workweek with no loss in pay is not radical" [View all] Donkees Mar 2024 OP

More "leisure time" equals more economic activity. tazkcmo Mar 2024 #1

True - but elites are (with exceptions) no longer interested in the economy peppertree Mar 2024 #2

True. nt tazkcmo Mar 2024 #6

No longer satisfied markodochartaigh Mar 2024 #17

Places like DMV, post Office, medical offices and other jimfields33 Mar 2024 #25

How does a business that needs to be open 5 days a week to meet their customer's needs survive? MichMan Mar 2024 #3

I keep hearing that the private sector is a hotbed of innovation and can-do spirit. Aristus Mar 2024 #4

maybe pay OT? ret5hd Mar 2024 #5

Require overtime pay at time and a half for workdays longer than eight hours ... Donkees Mar 2024 #8

Bernie said nothing about overtime; just a 32 hour workweek MichMan Mar 2024 #11

yeah? and right now we have a 40 hr workweek. ret5hd Mar 2024 #12

Overtime excerpt: Donkees Mar 2024 #21

I was thinking of UAW president Fain who wanted 32 hours a week max for all workers for more leisure time MichMan Mar 2024 #22

He mentioned overtime beyond the 32 hours in this sept 2023 excerpt: Donkees Mar 2024 #27

Depends on the business, but staggered schedules are a thing. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #7

As it is, you have businesses open 7 days a week TexasBushwhacker Mar 2024 #9

Stagger the shifts. meadowlander Mar 2024 #10

"Hire more people and offer flexible hours" MichMan Mar 2024 #14

The same way places that need to be open 24 hours survive ColinC Mar 2024 #19

I have actually worked in manufacturing plants meadowlander Mar 2024 #37

Part timers and temps for one day a week MichMan Mar 2024 #38

It worked great for me. meadowlander Mar 2024 #41

Not every single manufactured component is comparable to a ski pole. MichMan Mar 2024 #43

But let's not fool ourselves meadowlander Mar 2024 #78

Temps are a great way for management to screw over union employees NickB79 Mar 2024 #99

I have and staggered shifts make this possible now. nt redqueen Mar 2024 #53

They hire how many workers they need at 32 hours a week to PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2024 #16

How do businesses open 7 days survive? Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #48

What?... druidity33 Mar 2024 #51

"... up the workforces by 10-15%. It's not really that complicated." mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2024 #95

I think the point is... druidity33 Mar 2024 #112

His proposal would apply to every single employer in the entire US in every sector. MichMan Mar 2024 #114

You know as well as I do... druidity33 Mar 2024 #126

His proposal says nothing about exempting any business MichMan Mar 2024 #142

if there's 6 people there, newdayneeded Mar 2024 #55

no - you hire enough resources to cover 1 extra day a week that allows all shifts to operate 4 days Layzeebeaver Mar 2024 #73

If you read my post, that is what I said MichMan Mar 2024 #75

that;s not what you said... Layzeebeaver Mar 2024 #107

Reread post #3 MichMan Mar 2024 #108

I think we need to clarify things here... Layzeebeaver Mar 2024 #110

No, you stated that wasn't what I said, when it was a direct copy and paste from the post you replied to. MichMan Mar 2024 #111

whatever, the content is the content and the intent is the intent Layzeebeaver Mar 2024 #127

What businesses would those be? SarahD Mar 2024 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author LudwigPastorius Mar 2024 #89

Stagger the workers days off (some on Monday, some on Friday) Angleae Mar 2024 #90

We didn't always have a 40 hour work week. Businesses adjusted Orangepeel Mar 2024 #96

If I was working four eights from Monday through Thursday, House of Roberts Mar 2024 #13

The lack of knowledge here about manufacturing is sad MichMan Mar 2024 #15

I work at a 24 hour operation. Staggered shifts and OT do the trick ColinC Mar 2024 #24

Exactly, I worked in a steel mill for 40 years, the mill had to work 24/7 to show doc03 Mar 2024 #33

That's a matter of implementing multiple shifts, which is hardly new. David__77 Mar 2024 #28

Right. meadowlander Mar 2024 #39

8 hours of work for 80 hours a week pay would be popular I suppose MichMan Mar 2024 #42

40 hours of work... ret5hd Mar 2024 #45

If I got paid $200 per hour, sure! MichMan Mar 2024 #47

Nobody but you is proposing that. Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #62

I never said it was being proposed. My reply was in response to the post I quoted below. MichMan Mar 2024 #72

Just boost the minimum wage to $30 per hour MichMan Mar 2024 #18

Yeah, easy peasy calguy Mar 2024 #29

How about not paying an extra 30-40% for greedflation? Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #60

Cool... but tell me exactly how you plan on doing that. calguy Mar 2024 #64

Yeah, Social Security and FDR's entire New Deal was naive and never attainable. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #65

You're dodging the question about how you plan to give everyone an extra day off calguy Mar 2024 #66

I didn't dodge a fucking thing. Excess profits for non-producing CEOs. See above. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #67

Okay, smart guy. calguy Mar 2024 #69

Well, lol just destroys all arguments for ending extreme wealth disparity. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #71

Whatever you say, Einstein calguy Mar 2024 #74

Worked out well in trials in the UK. progressoid Mar 2024 #102

This works better than chaining children to machinery? Weird! Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #130

Please show me where Starbucks, for example, Abolishinist Mar 2024 #83

SEC, investor.starbucks.com, yahoo, macrotrends, etc. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #85

And if one takes the time to actually look at the numbers, Abolishinist Mar 2024 #86

You may want to look again. Starbucks says their net revenue was $36 billion. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #88

36 Billion Zeitghost Mar 2024 #93

I quoted Starbucks. If you know better, report them to the SEC. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #115

All Accurate, Except... ProfessorGAC Mar 2024 #124

Gross profit is roughly $24 billion Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #125

My Error ProfessorGAC Mar 2024 #128

Ah, but neither of us considered page 67 (71 in the pdf)... Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #129

Where did they say this? Zeitghost Mar 2024 #131

link to Starbucks press release... Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #132

That shows total revenues of 36 billion Zeitghost Mar 2024 #133

See upthread. Tired of this. It's lounge time. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #136

I've read it all Zeitghost Mar 2024 #138

Several things. For whatever reason, the meme you posted Abolishinist Mar 2024 #97

You've jumped from net revenue to net income while ignoring gross profit. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #116

Gross Profit is merely a number on the way down Abolishinist Mar 2024 #134

Do you not understand it's not for submission to the SEC? It's lounge time. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #137

First of all, YOU'RE the only one bringing up the SEC. Abolishinist Mar 2024 #139

Why stop at $30? Bonx Mar 2024 #92

Pie in the sky. It will NEVER happen. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2024 #20

Schools open for 4 days a week MichMan Mar 2024 #23

Another outlandish proposal from Bernie calguy Mar 2024 #26

I was waiting for the explicit "Bernie hate" to make it self known DemocraticPatriot Mar 2024 #117

right? Skittles Mar 2024 #119

Bernie's right. marble falls Mar 2024 #30

No it isn't, Bernie. Xavier Breath Mar 2024 #31

People I know that work minimum wage jobs are only aloud to work doc03 Mar 2024 #32

If you're paid hourly at 40 hrs a week and they cut your hours to 32 hours... maveric Mar 2024 #34

Bernie says work 32 get paid for 40 MichMan Mar 2024 #35

Bernie's said a lot of crazy things over the years. calguy Mar 2024 #81

I worked for Aetna and they increased our hours from 35 a week to 40 vanlassie Mar 2024 #84

There are jobs that have 32 hour per week schedules ecstatic Mar 2024 #36

Pass this proposal and you will see a lot of manufacturing get outsourced to Mexico, India and Asia MichMan Mar 2024 #40

Whether or not it's "readical" it ain't happening. NT Patton French Mar 2024 #44

When is it scheduled to be voted on in the Senate? n/t MichMan Mar 2024 #46

All the same arguments were made against the 40 hour week. Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #49

Post removed Post removed Mar 2024 #50

Huge lack of imagination in this thread, wow. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #52

Right? redqueen Mar 2024 #54

nah it's the posters defending the interests of private industry that are cracking me up WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #56

We laugh at the magats worshipping billionaires Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #58

I missed the part in Sen Sanders bill where it stated it only applied to businesses owned by billionaires MichMan Mar 2024 #70

Most businesses are not run by billionaires or even millionaires JI7 Mar 2024 #94

The residual Bernie hatred as well. pecosbob Mar 2024 #91

For a business that operates 168 hours a week (24/7) Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #57

You are suggesting that the business just go out and hire 25% more people MichMan Mar 2024 #59

Correct. 25% more jobs. Oh the horror! Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #61

They wouldn't need to hire more people. Here's how it worked in the UK recently progressoid Mar 2024 #76

Explain how it works in manufacturing when production is dictated by machine cycle times? MichMan Mar 2024 #79

Which is why I said, "Obviously, this won't work for every job sector." progressoid Mar 2024 #82

Yes Johnny2X2X Mar 2024 #87

How are hairdressers, plumbers and auto mechanics more productive working 32 hours vs 40? MichMan Mar 2024 #106

He should operate his Senate office like this to demonstrate how well this will work Jose Garcia Mar 2024 #63

Sen. Sanders must think business owners are pretty stupid MichMan Mar 2024 #68

Pesky little details that are easy to ignore... calguy Mar 2024 #80

What Sanders is arguing for, is a 'living wage'. DemocraticPatriot Mar 2024 #118

If he wants a living wage, just introduce legislation to increase the minimum wage MichMan Mar 2024 #121

I think this is a spectacular idea. NYC2ATL Mar 2024 #98

I dont need a 32 hour work week. honest.abe Mar 2024 #100

This wouldn't work in my field of construction. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2024 #101

Most of his ideas never fly calguy Mar 2024 #103

Yeah, it's a lot of pie in the sky stuff but some of it is plausible. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2024 #109

he's also a factor in how we got Trump Skittles Mar 2024 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author calguy Mar 2024 #123

So if I make 100 widgets a week@20 a day, now I'm supposed to make 25 a day? oldsoftie Mar 2024 #104

Most work isn't directly measurable anymore. Oneironaut Mar 2024 #141

For hourly workers it would certainly mean a loss in pay. Jacson6 Mar 2024 #105

tinkle down + zombie reagan must die. pansypoo53219 Mar 2024 #113

But Sean Hannity and Larry Kudlow don't like it so it must be bad. AZLD4Candidate Mar 2024 #122

Sounds like a great plan for those actively working (and I support). PufPuf23 Mar 2024 #135

Back in the early 90s I worked in a law firm that had 35 hour work weeks - TBF Mar 2024 #140

DURec leftstreet Mar 2024 #143