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moniss

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37. The idea that you have condemnation for
Fri Mar 15, 2024, 11:35 AM
Mar 2024

others but not Bragg is questionable. If Bragg made his request a year ago for major documents in a case involving one of the most notorious figures in the world, didn't get them within let's say 90 days, apparently failed to go to Garland about it with his hair on fire does not square. You don't get to sit on your backside waiting and then bitch later about how somebody didn't give you what you needed in a year. Doing that is classic CYA crap. The question here is also whether Bragg is doing a "catch and kill" on this.

You can count on a bunch of motions from the defense about how they had info withheld from them and claiming proof therefore of unfairness etc. More delay, more appeals. People are incorrectly saying the case is delayed 30 days. The court did not say anything yet. The prosecution offered 30 days and the defense wants 90 days.

First of all this case investigation by SDNY looks to be one of the "bury them in paperwork" moves. The facts as alleged are as follows: 1. Screwed a porn star. 2. Arranged to pay porn star to keep quiet. 3. Lied about those payments on your business records.

The idea that you need over 100,000 pages to nail that down is BS. For example if Biden were to jaywalk and the media showed a clip of it and it started an investigation you could talk to Biden, his SS detail as witnesses and the media that showed the clip in order to ascertain authenticity etc. Probably wrap that up in about 3 pages. Or you could begin to interview who was in control of the schedule that day, the people responsible for placing the crosswalks and controlling signals, the legislators who passed the laws authorizing the placement of the signals and crosswalks to determine their intent, interview the WH chef about what breakfast was served that day to determine if there was any possible ill effect from bad food, track down and interview as many witnesses who were on the street or driving by and interview their friends/families/employers/previous classmates/teachers to determine their veracity as witnesses, interview thousands of people who claim to have seen it on TV, interview thousands of people who claim they saw something else on TV, etc.

Now at the end of the jaywalking investigation you have an investigation file of 500,000 pages. Boy there must be an awful lot going on because otherwise why would we have so much paper? The additional thing that SDNY could be making happen in dumping such a huge quantity of paper is that maybe some info about unrelated things are in there that SDNY knows about who talked about what things in the crooked businesses of this guy and what they said. Nice little "heads up" for their man. Now honestly everything I've said is really way over the top because everybody knows the SDNY and NY/NJ FBI have never engaged in crooked or partisan behavior.

In engineering we used to call it "engineering something to death". If your bosses, who had no technical background, were adamant in going in a direction you knew was not feasible then you just make the engineering work take forever and ever until the facts on the ground change and the thing can die as no longer applicable. Bury it in investigation and study when it's something you don't really want to happen. Just like in politics or many other things in life.

Excellent post, bigtree. Thank you! brer cat Mar 2024 #1
Nailed it as always malaise Mar 2024 #2
If you're happy with our side scrambling for trial dates in 2024 while a second Trump term remains distinctly possible BeyondGeography Mar 2024 #3
I only see a lot of sandbaggers on MOMFUDSKI Mar 2024 #4
Thank you. Elessar Zappa Mar 2024 #5
Bragg clearly blamed BOTH... getagrip_already Mar 2024 #6
What you see as an apologist, others see as defending not a man, but reality. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2024 #8
What was it kelly conway said about reality? getagrip_already Mar 2024 #9
That's just the thing, there are no alternative facts in this situation Fiendish Thingy Mar 2024 #17
Garland was clueless, which IS the problem getagrip_already Mar 2024 #19
"Clueless" is your opinion. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2024 #20
But none are as easy! BootinUp Mar 2024 #22
A tangled web, indeed. Ocelot II Mar 2024 #43
IMO Garland has been a poor AG, didn't rise to the moment of the most severe threatl... brush Mar 2024 #78
Laurence Tribe now calls Garland "Mr. Speedy" BeyondGeography Mar 2024 #79
Laurence Tribe is correct. It's funny yet maddening sarcasm as... brush Mar 2024 #85
Sarcasm, no? (no text) returnee Mar 2024 #97
And yet Laurence Tribe isn't always right NanaCat Mar 2024 #103
That is a false statement Fiendish Thingy Mar 2024 #94
Late in appointing SC Smith even. Should've done it a year earlier. brush Mar 2024 #101
You clearly don't understand what justifies appointing a Special Counsel Fiendish Thingy Mar 2024 #109
We've all got opinions. No way I agree with yours. brush Mar 2024 #112
"Just two days after trump declared his candidacy" is a red herring Goodheart Mar 2024 #142
Why should a Special Counsel have been appointed sooner? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2024 #144
Looks like verifiable as opinions. PufPuf23 Mar 2024 #107
Note: the link contains a list of verifiable facts and dates. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2024 #110
Did not read article, just humored by link title. PufPuf23 Mar 2024 #115
Well said and thanks for that post. emulatorloo Mar 2024 #90
Nah, yr just blaming anybody and everyone EXCEPT Trump and his legal team. emulatorloo Mar 2024 #89
An incontrovertible inconvenient fact: Bobstandard Mar 2024 #10
Andrew Weissmann worked for SDNY gab13by13 Mar 2024 #13
I saw that interview... getagrip_already Mar 2024 #18
The internet/social media creates an insatiable, impatient hunger for quick and simple solutions Fiendish Thingy Mar 2024 #7
You nailed it. ShazzieB Mar 2024 #44
Where I get my news I see zero people calling for Garland to resign. gab13by13 Mar 2024 #11
Agreed. ShazzieB Mar 2024 #56
Garland has been an unmitigated disaster. Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #12
you know the people in that song Trump plays before his rallies? The 'Jan. 6 Singers?' bigtree Mar 2024 #32
Well put. The OP is distractive from the REAL issue with Garland Goodheart Mar 2024 #116
The internet needs solutions and scapegoats and it needs them NOW. Ocelot II Mar 2024 #14
I respect your opinions and always click on your posts gab13by13 Mar 2024 #24
I don't think calling for his head is helpful at this point. Ocelot II Mar 2024 #30
I could not agree more, gab13by13 Mar 2024 #34
Because if he resigned the trolls wouldn't be able to call for his head on a daily basis AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2024 #104
The frustration by some is not so much NOW but long it has been and PufPuf23 Mar 2024 #118
Let's just say I'd much prefer a new Attorney General... dchill Mar 2024 #15
And Glenn Kirschner is just the man for the job. Ligyron Mar 2024 #60
Hindsight is 20/20. nt hay rick Mar 2024 #16
Hang in there, bigtree Hekate Mar 2024 #21
I agree, bigtree. Joe, unlike his predecessor, really DOES pick the best people! 70sEraVet Mar 2024 #23
100% I disagreed with his choice of Hur and I think that is allowed but I have never been Bev54 Mar 2024 #25
Do you honestly believe in your heart gab13by13 Mar 2024 #36
I don't agree with everything Garland has done and in particular the Hur appointment and the lack of cleanout of Bev54 Mar 2024 #75
. Scrivener7 Mar 2024 #26
.. bigtree Mar 2024 #35
I remember the days of the torches and pitchforks that came out for Eric Holder BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 #27
Preet Bhrarara, gab13by13 Mar 2024 #40
I watched Andrew Weissmann last night too BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 #53
Is Garland allowed to choose his team or is he forced to deal with corrupt trump leftovers? ecstatic Mar 2024 #102
There are a certain lower layer of positions that the Department (and agency head) can "choose" BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 #113
Thank for setting it straight. Excellent post. Martin68 Mar 2024 #28
Firing Garland at this time would be a bad idea. But only because it's just too late. His duty is already done. jaxexpat Mar 2024 #29
Politics is a nasty, dirty business Dyedinthewoolliberal Mar 2024 #31
Yup. Agree. My only question is why Garland Joinfortmill Mar 2024 #33
Your question actually points to a larger question . . . markpkessinger Mar 2024 #67
The idea that you have condemnation for moniss Mar 2024 #37
I admit blaming Bragg for sabatoging his own prosecution of Trump didn't occur to me bigtree Mar 2024 #41
It certainly looks to me like President Biden is upset with Merrick Garland gab13by13 Mar 2024 #45
Unless you're having WH luncheons with Joe, your perception is based on one anonymously sourced article. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2024 #65
You can put that right in line with the fact that moniss Mar 2024 #62
Wow, very interesting analysis. gab13by13 Mar 2024 #42
Yes and even Vance moniss Mar 2024 #69
I don't think Garland should resign, BUT . . . markpkessinger Mar 2024 #38
I'm old enough to remember when the complaints were that he didn't need a SC bigtree Mar 2024 #47
I think you're reacting rather strongly... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #39
ask the questions and bring your receipts bigtree Mar 2024 #48
But I have no questions for you. Think. Again. Mar 2024 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Mar 2024 #66
That's funny because your post ends in a question mark AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2024 #128
Oh, you mean this rhetorical question... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #138
I'm just commenting on the fact you asked a question AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2024 #146
Such fun! now look up "Rhetorical Question"! Think. Again. Mar 2024 #149
Garland has limited influence over the SDNY Cosmocat Mar 2024 #46
Merrick Garland is SDNY's boss. gab13by13 Mar 2024 #57
But the 93 U.S. Attorneys are NOT the AG's appointees BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 #61
He still runs the show... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #70
"He still runs the show..." BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 #72
I'm pretty sure... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #73
"that any work the DOJ is doing that directly involves an ex-President will find it's way onto garland's update memos" BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 #74
I MUST disagree... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #77
To respond BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 #83
Yeah, people here on DU sometimes seem very happy.... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #84
"I suspect the prosecution of a Presidential candidate might be high on the AG's concern list." BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 #86
"Justice delayed is justice denied." Think. Again. Mar 2024 #87
That has been the call from those who want Criminal Justice Reform BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 #91
See? We can agree!!! Think. Again. Mar 2024 #92
But it has nothing to do with Garland. BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 #93
That's true, we don't agree on garland.... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #95
"Criminal Justice" is not just "federal" BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 #96
If you're saying garland is just a figurehead... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #98
Again BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 #99
Okay, well thanks, I don't really get what you're trying to say, but I appreciate the discussion. Think. Again. Mar 2024 #105
The OP would have you believe, apparently, that these SDNY documents are the only cause that has provoked anger, Goodheart Mar 2024 #119
Public pressure can be tough. lees1975 Mar 2024 #49
You are spreading falsehoods Fiendish Thingy Mar 2024 #64
Sorry, but he admitted to delays himself. lees1975 Mar 2024 #106
no receipts, so it didn't happen bigtree Mar 2024 #121
Attorney General Merrick Garland deliberated for weeks over whether to approve the application for a warrant to search f republianmushroom Mar 2024 #124
Maybe you mean this one. republianmushroom Mar 2024 #126
See my reply to big tree below your post. republianmushroom Mar 2024 #125
A year? Closer to two years... twenty months, in fact. Goodheart Mar 2024 #141
Detailed Chronology in Trump-Cohen Hush Money Investigation SARose Mar 2024 #50
consult the master computer on 1/6 AllaN01Bear Mar 2024 #51
There's a lot of people right now that I am pissed at here. William769 Mar 2024 #52
Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2024 #54
...... 58Sunliner Mar 2024 #55
a little bit plagiarism here, but, republianmushroom Mar 2024 #59
Will be thrilled to see him resign, or be fired. boston bean Mar 2024 #63
Right!! lamp_shade Mar 2024 #68
How many times did Jordan and Comer threaten Bragg? SARose Mar 2024 #71
I don't care how the other side receives me, or either side for that matter. It's past time for Garland to go. Autumn Mar 2024 #76
This obsession displayed by some with Garland is truly disturbing, it does not seem at all healthy. tritsofme Mar 2024 #80
Garland has always been at a disadvantage... allegorical oracle Mar 2024 #81
You can't get rid of Garland before the election, but we absolutely should after the election. Demsrule86 Mar 2024 #82
The idea that Garland would want to stick around for 8 years in the first place is pretty silly. tritsofme Mar 2024 #88
I understand your point. Fully. But the problem is he put our country in jeopardy ecstatic Mar 2024 #100
it's just untrue that he waited for anything bigtree Mar 2024 #108
Wow, talk about a strawman Goodheart Mar 2024 #120
Donald Trump's first criminal trial delayed SARose Mar 2024 #111
The one FACT you continue to la la la gloss over Goodheart Mar 2024 #114
A few dates, upon which to adequately assess Garland's performance Goodheart Mar 2024 #117
Cherry-picking only the dates that support one's assertion... TwilightZone Mar 2024 #123
I picked the dates that matter. Goodheart Mar 2024 #127
Nah, it's called ignoring whatever doesn't fit the narrative. TwilightZone Mar 2024 #136
You're quite wrong, of course. Goodheart Mar 2024 #140
Did you see this list upthread BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 #145
Jack Smith was appointed TWENTY MONTHS after the insurrection. Goodheart Mar 2024 #147
"Jack Smith was appointed TWENTY MONTHS after the insurrection." BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 #151
Some of the ignorance is intentional. TwilightZone Mar 2024 #122
Looks to me like much projection. nt PufPuf23 Mar 2024 #129
Nope. TwilightZone Mar 2024 #130
Garland should have started prosecutions of tRump 15 minutes after being appointed to the office. rwild1967 Mar 2024 #131
Correct. Goodheart Mar 2024 #132
he's sworn in in March 2021 and by Fall of 2021 he's already investigating bigtree Mar 2024 #134
The proof is in the pudding. Here's the pudding: Goodheart Mar 2024 #148
Kick canetoad Mar 2024 #133
Sorry but your wrong thumper2547 Mar 2024 #135
Welcome to DU! KS Toronado Mar 2024 #137
The apologists will come along to declare you a troll, Goodheart Mar 2024 #139
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2024 #150
Great post! Emile Mar 2024 #154
K&R Emile Mar 2024 #155
Biden shouldn't accept a resignation now Captain Zero Mar 2024 #143
Ali Primera once crooned... GreenWave Mar 2024 #152
Trump tried to overthrow our government and Emile Mar 2024 #153
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