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MichMan

(17,534 posts)
68. Sen. Sanders must think business owners are pretty stupid
Fri Mar 15, 2024, 12:31 PM
Mar 2024

If I owned a business (which by the way, I never have) why would I ever pay an employee 40 hours of wages for 32 hours of work, when I could just reduce their hours to 30 max. per week and just pay them for the 30 hours instead. Those additional 2 hours would actually cost 10 hours in wages, so no one in their right mind is going to do that.

Of course, my employee who needed their 40 hour paycheck to pay their rent and grocery bill, now has to go out and find another part time job.

What would consumer's reactions be when people you hire like auto mechanics, plumbers, electricians, landscapers etc. tell you that your 3 hour charge to fix your plumbing is now being billed at 4 hours, just because.






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More "leisure time" equals more economic activity. tazkcmo Mar 2024 #1
True - but elites are (with exceptions) no longer interested in the economy peppertree Mar 2024 #2
True. nt tazkcmo Mar 2024 #6
No longer satisfied markodochartaigh Mar 2024 #17
Places like DMV, post Office, medical offices and other jimfields33 Mar 2024 #25
How does a business that needs to be open 5 days a week to meet their customer's needs survive? MichMan Mar 2024 #3
I keep hearing that the private sector is a hotbed of innovation and can-do spirit. Aristus Mar 2024 #4
maybe pay OT? ret5hd Mar 2024 #5
Require overtime pay at time and a half for workdays longer than eight hours ... Donkees Mar 2024 #8
Bernie said nothing about overtime; just a 32 hour workweek MichMan Mar 2024 #11
yeah? and right now we have a 40 hr workweek. ret5hd Mar 2024 #12
Overtime excerpt: Donkees Mar 2024 #21
I was thinking of UAW president Fain who wanted 32 hours a week max for all workers for more leisure time MichMan Mar 2024 #22
He mentioned overtime beyond the 32 hours in this sept 2023 excerpt: Donkees Mar 2024 #27
Depends on the business, but staggered schedules are a thing. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #7
As it is, you have businesses open 7 days a week TexasBushwhacker Mar 2024 #9
Stagger the shifts. meadowlander Mar 2024 #10
"Hire more people and offer flexible hours" MichMan Mar 2024 #14
The same way places that need to be open 24 hours survive ColinC Mar 2024 #19
I have actually worked in manufacturing plants meadowlander Mar 2024 #37
Part timers and temps for one day a week MichMan Mar 2024 #38
It worked great for me. meadowlander Mar 2024 #41
Not every single manufactured component is comparable to a ski pole. MichMan Mar 2024 #43
But let's not fool ourselves meadowlander Mar 2024 #78
Temps are a great way for management to screw over union employees NickB79 Mar 2024 #99
I have and staggered shifts make this possible now. nt redqueen Mar 2024 #53
They hire how many workers they need at 32 hours a week to PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2024 #16
How do businesses open 7 days survive? Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #48
What?... druidity33 Mar 2024 #51
"... up the workforces by 10-15%. It's not really that complicated." mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2024 #95
I think the point is... druidity33 Mar 2024 #112
His proposal would apply to every single employer in the entire US in every sector. MichMan Mar 2024 #114
You know as well as I do... druidity33 Mar 2024 #126
His proposal says nothing about exempting any business MichMan Mar 2024 #142
if there's 6 people there, newdayneeded Mar 2024 #55
no - you hire enough resources to cover 1 extra day a week that allows all shifts to operate 4 days Layzeebeaver Mar 2024 #73
If you read my post, that is what I said MichMan Mar 2024 #75
that;s not what you said... Layzeebeaver Mar 2024 #107
Reread post #3 MichMan Mar 2024 #108
I think we need to clarify things here... Layzeebeaver Mar 2024 #110
No, you stated that wasn't what I said, when it was a direct copy and paste from the post you replied to. MichMan Mar 2024 #111
whatever, the content is the content and the intent is the intent Layzeebeaver Mar 2024 #127
What businesses would those be? SarahD Mar 2024 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author LudwigPastorius Mar 2024 #89
Stagger the workers days off (some on Monday, some on Friday) Angleae Mar 2024 #90
We didn't always have a 40 hour work week. Businesses adjusted Orangepeel Mar 2024 #96
If I was working four eights from Monday through Thursday, House of Roberts Mar 2024 #13
The lack of knowledge here about manufacturing is sad MichMan Mar 2024 #15
I work at a 24 hour operation. Staggered shifts and OT do the trick ColinC Mar 2024 #24
Exactly, I worked in a steel mill for 40 years, the mill had to work 24/7 to show doc03 Mar 2024 #33
That's a matter of implementing multiple shifts, which is hardly new. David__77 Mar 2024 #28
Right. meadowlander Mar 2024 #39
8 hours of work for 80 hours a week pay would be popular I suppose MichMan Mar 2024 #42
40 hours of work... ret5hd Mar 2024 #45
If I got paid $200 per hour, sure! MichMan Mar 2024 #47
Nobody but you is proposing that. Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #62
I never said it was being proposed. My reply was in response to the post I quoted below. MichMan Mar 2024 #72
Just boost the minimum wage to $30 per hour MichMan Mar 2024 #18
Yeah, easy peasy calguy Mar 2024 #29
How about not paying an extra 30-40% for greedflation? Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #60
Cool... but tell me exactly how you plan on doing that. calguy Mar 2024 #64
Yeah, Social Security and FDR's entire New Deal was naive and never attainable. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #65
You're dodging the question about how you plan to give everyone an extra day off calguy Mar 2024 #66
I didn't dodge a fucking thing. Excess profits for non-producing CEOs. See above. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #67
Okay, smart guy. calguy Mar 2024 #69
Well, lol just destroys all arguments for ending extreme wealth disparity. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #71
Whatever you say, Einstein calguy Mar 2024 #74
Worked out well in trials in the UK. progressoid Mar 2024 #102
This works better than chaining children to machinery? Weird! Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #130
Please show me where Starbucks, for example, Abolishinist Mar 2024 #83
SEC, investor.starbucks.com, yahoo, macrotrends, etc. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #85
And if one takes the time to actually look at the numbers, Abolishinist Mar 2024 #86
You may want to look again. Starbucks says their net revenue was $36 billion. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #88
36 Billion Zeitghost Mar 2024 #93
I quoted Starbucks. If you know better, report them to the SEC. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #115
All Accurate, Except... ProfessorGAC Mar 2024 #124
Gross profit is roughly $24 billion Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #125
My Error ProfessorGAC Mar 2024 #128
Ah, but neither of us considered page 67 (71 in the pdf)... Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #129
Where did they say this? Zeitghost Mar 2024 #131
link to Starbucks press release... Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #132
That shows total revenues of 36 billion Zeitghost Mar 2024 #133
See upthread. Tired of this. It's lounge time. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #136
I've read it all Zeitghost Mar 2024 #138
Several things. For whatever reason, the meme you posted Abolishinist Mar 2024 #97
You've jumped from net revenue to net income while ignoring gross profit. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #116
Gross Profit is merely a number on the way down Abolishinist Mar 2024 #134
Do you not understand it's not for submission to the SEC? It's lounge time. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #137
First of all, YOU'RE the only one bringing up the SEC. Abolishinist Mar 2024 #139
Why stop at $30? Bonx Mar 2024 #92
Pie in the sky. It will NEVER happen. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2024 #20
Schools open for 4 days a week MichMan Mar 2024 #23
Another outlandish proposal from Bernie calguy Mar 2024 #26
I was waiting for the explicit "Bernie hate" to make it self known DemocraticPatriot Mar 2024 #117
right? Skittles Mar 2024 #119
Bernie's right. marble falls Mar 2024 #30
No it isn't, Bernie. Xavier Breath Mar 2024 #31
People I know that work minimum wage jobs are only aloud to work doc03 Mar 2024 #32
If you're paid hourly at 40 hrs a week and they cut your hours to 32 hours... maveric Mar 2024 #34
Bernie says work 32 get paid for 40 MichMan Mar 2024 #35
Bernie's said a lot of crazy things over the years. calguy Mar 2024 #81
I worked for Aetna and they increased our hours from 35 a week to 40 vanlassie Mar 2024 #84
There are jobs that have 32 hour per week schedules ecstatic Mar 2024 #36
Pass this proposal and you will see a lot of manufacturing get outsourced to Mexico, India and Asia MichMan Mar 2024 #40
Whether or not it's "readical" it ain't happening. NT Patton French Mar 2024 #44
When is it scheduled to be voted on in the Senate? n/t MichMan Mar 2024 #46
All the same arguments were made against the 40 hour week. Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #49
Post removed Post removed Mar 2024 #50
Huge lack of imagination in this thread, wow. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #52
Right? redqueen Mar 2024 #54
nah it's the posters defending the interests of private industry that are cracking me up WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #56
We laugh at the magats worshipping billionaires Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #58
I missed the part in Sen Sanders bill where it stated it only applied to businesses owned by billionaires MichMan Mar 2024 #70
Most businesses are not run by billionaires or even millionaires JI7 Mar 2024 #94
The residual Bernie hatred as well. pecosbob Mar 2024 #91
For a business that operates 168 hours a week (24/7) Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #57
You are suggesting that the business just go out and hire 25% more people MichMan Mar 2024 #59
Correct. 25% more jobs. Oh the horror! Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #61
They wouldn't need to hire more people. Here's how it worked in the UK recently progressoid Mar 2024 #76
Explain how it works in manufacturing when production is dictated by machine cycle times? MichMan Mar 2024 #79
Which is why I said, "Obviously, this won't work for every job sector." progressoid Mar 2024 #82
Yes Johnny2X2X Mar 2024 #87
How are hairdressers, plumbers and auto mechanics more productive working 32 hours vs 40? MichMan Mar 2024 #106
He should operate his Senate office like this to demonstrate how well this will work Jose Garcia Mar 2024 #63
Sen. Sanders must think business owners are pretty stupid MichMan Mar 2024 #68
Pesky little details that are easy to ignore... calguy Mar 2024 #80
What Sanders is arguing for, is a 'living wage'. DemocraticPatriot Mar 2024 #118
If he wants a living wage, just introduce legislation to increase the minimum wage MichMan Mar 2024 #121
I think this is a spectacular idea. NYC2ATL Mar 2024 #98
I dont need a 32 hour work week. honest.abe Mar 2024 #100
This wouldn't work in my field of construction. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2024 #101
Most of his ideas never fly calguy Mar 2024 #103
Yeah, it's a lot of pie in the sky stuff but some of it is plausible. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2024 #109
he's also a factor in how we got Trump Skittles Mar 2024 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author calguy Mar 2024 #123
So if I make 100 widgets a week@20 a day, now I'm supposed to make 25 a day? oldsoftie Mar 2024 #104
Most work isn't directly measurable anymore. Oneironaut Mar 2024 #141
For hourly workers it would certainly mean a loss in pay. Jacson6 Mar 2024 #105
tinkle down + zombie reagan must die. pansypoo53219 Mar 2024 #113
But Sean Hannity and Larry Kudlow don't like it so it must be bad. AZLD4Candidate Mar 2024 #122
Sounds like a great plan for those actively working (and I support). PufPuf23 Mar 2024 #135
Back in the early 90s I worked in a law firm that had 35 hour work weeks - TBF Mar 2024 #140
DURec leftstreet Mar 2024 #143
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