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34. 2024 isn't 2016 but it's not like any election we've ever really experienced.
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 06:10 PM
Mar 20

It's the first election since Teddy Roosevelt returned where a former president is running for a new term after being out of office for some time. It's also the first election where the two party candidates are the same as four years earlier since Eisenhower/Stevenson in the 1950s.

Hillary Clinton was not an incumbent and while she had traits of an incumbent, her biggest vulnerability that election was that no one knew what her presidency was going to be like - good or bad. Trump was successful at convincing enough voters that voting for Hillary would be voting for four years of scandals, indictments and crime (hilarious in retrospect).

Truth be told: no one knows how this election is goin to play out.

In fact, in many ways, it's a mix of a bunch of different elections.

It's 2020 solely because it's Trump vs Biden again.

It's 2016 because there's a frustration, and dissatisfaction with the two major party candidates that, like in 2016, we're seeing a stronger than normal third party showing in the polls.

It's 2012 because Biden, like Obama, inherited a mess that bled into his first term and dominated much of the recovery (high unemployment and anemic job growth for Obama and inflation for Biden).

It's 1992 because you have a very unpopular incumbent fighting back a tough perception, which is driving another strong third party candidate.

It's 1980 because, like 1992, you had a very unpopular incumbent fighting economic conditions that aren't necessarily something he can control.

And yet it's none of those because Trump isn't Reagan. Trump isn't Clinton. Trump isn't Romney.

And Trump isn't 2016 Trump. Or even 2020 Trump.

What we know is that both Biden and Trump are extremely vulnerable. The hope here is that, as it often is with reelection campaigns (2004, 2012 especially), the American people concede the current status quo is better than the alternative (for whatever reason).

2024 is not 2016 [View all] EarlG Mar 20 OP
Trump hates love. dchill Mar 20 #1
Yup. 2naSalit Mar 20 #8
Trump loves hate. nt wiggs Mar 20 #20
It's a Rubik's Cube of those 3 words... dchill Mar 20 #21
And tRumpers love MontanaMama Mar 20 #29
I agree. There was a novelty value to Trump then, anamnua Mar 20 #32
Great post for needed persective.... hlthe2b Mar 20 #2
dup republianmushroom Mar 20 #3
We shall see if you are correct. republianmushroom Mar 20 #7
Also, 2024 is not 2020. tanyev Mar 20 #4
Another thing was that in 2020 the D ground game was severely hampered by Covid Sky Jewels Mar 20 #14
I'd rather hate trmps hate. elleng Mar 20 #5
one rec on the way to about 500... WarGamer Mar 20 #6
K&R 2naSalit Mar 20 #9
💯 Spot on! onecaliberal Mar 20 #10
About 2016, here's what I keep coming back to... FakeNoose Mar 20 #11
Another mistake was never visiting Michigan because her campaign staff thought she didn't need to. Lonestarblue Mar 20 #25
Love hates hate. twodogsbarking Mar 20 #12
Biden has two major issues he can win on and he's using them. Ping Tung Mar 20 #13
I have that button and wore it during the 2016 election. A MAGAt thought it meant I loved Trump. OMGWTF Mar 20 #15
Heartily agree BumRushDaShow Mar 20 #16
I hope you're correct, EarlG. SergeStorms Mar 20 #17
An "October Surprise" Mme. Defarge Mar 20 #19
I have to agree... Think. Again. Mar 20 #28
I'd love a blue tsunami myself. SergeStorms Mar 20 #33
I dream of the day we rid ourselves of rightwingers forever. Think. Again. Mar 20 #35
are you going to the convention in chicago this year? orleans Mar 20 #18
"What have you got to lose?" bluescribbler Mar 20 #22
Yup, and we of course don't need his dumbest MAGA bigots IronLionZion Mar 20 #23
Trump can't win nuxvomica Mar 20 #24
GOP hasn't had any good election seasons since then either Mad_Machine76 Mar 20 #26
I've used similar lines before.... RussBLib Mar 20 #27
Neither can I... TSExile Mar 20 #30
"Love and kindness" has been a signature Hillary message forever (was mocked for it in the '90s). betsuni Mar 20 #31
2024 isn't 2016 but it's not like any election we've ever really experienced. All Mixed Up Mar 20 #34
TSF's response to covid was a big factor in 2020 central scrutinizer Mar 20 #36
K & R Emile Mar 20 #37
Vlad settled that. czarjak Mar 21 #38
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