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NickB79

(20,382 posts)
44. Absolutely
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 03:56 PM
Mar 2024

Let's not forget that the Confederate States of America enshrined slavery and the supremacy of white men over Black men in their Constitution. They were in it for the long haul, and only another war would have dismantled slavery if the South had gained independence.

Going off on an alternate history sci-fi tangent: If the South managed to hang onto slavery until the 1930's, and the Nazi Party also came to power in the 1930's like it did in our timeline, I firmly believe the Confederacy and Nazi Germany would have allied and brought down the United States. The Axis powers would have won. Man in the High Castle/Wolfenstein kind of stuff.

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Actually war is sometimes the answer... EX500rider Mar 2024 #1
That is old history LiberaBlueDem Mar 2024 #2
The new age looks quite a bit like pre WWII. Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #4
Um, someone needs to inform Putin, Hamas, etc. of this "new age" because they are very much Coventina Mar 2024 #5
And the USA in Iraq, yes? LiberaBlueDem Mar 2024 #6
oh yes, absolutely 100% n/t Coventina Mar 2024 #9
Don't forget Netanyahu. Sky Jewels Mar 2024 #42
"We live now in a new age." Not sure everyone got the message EX500rider Mar 2024 #15
Where is this new age of which you speak? yardwork Mar 2024 #25
And there was no way to destroy humankind in those wars...except towards the end of WWll. brush Mar 2024 #51
Yes what choice did we have after Pearl Harbor? Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #3
Here's a better question: what if there was no Pearl Harbor? All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #8
I'm not so sure about the latter Polybius Mar 2024 #23
And that slavery problem would have worked itself out sooner or later, eh? yardwork Mar 2024 #26
I'd probably JustAnotherGen Mar 2024 #28
Eventually, yes Polybius Mar 2024 #36
Too bad for all those poor chumps who would have continued to be enslaved for decades, huh? Sky Jewels Mar 2024 #43
And too bad for the 600,000+ dead n/t Polybius Mar 2024 #46
Just the Americans JustAnotherGen Mar 2024 #57
Ok then n/t Polybius Mar 2024 #58
Some of us JustAnotherGen Mar 2024 #27
One of my favorite stories is the Mask of the Red Death. yardwork Mar 2024 #32
On point JustAnotherGen Mar 2024 #35
Slavery would be long over Polybius Mar 2024 #37
Absolutely! JustAnotherGen Mar 2024 #41
Absolutely NickB79 Mar 2024 #44
I am not sure African-Americans would have preferred that outcome EX500rider Mar 2024 #40
"two choices would be liberals vs. progressives"Not sure why you think that, not just Southern States voted for Trump: EX500rider Mar 2024 #45
I dunno. Germany was close to developing an A-bomb. And the Soviets would have too. brush Mar 2024 #53
A lot of the anti-war movement in the US has shifted to pro-Russia. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #7
Helping Ukraine is wise LiberaBlueDem Mar 2024 #10
Agreed. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #11
That flies in the face sarisataka Mar 2024 #21
They're only anti-war when it helps Putin. They support Russia's takeover of Ukraine. LeftInTX Mar 2024 #18
We have one poster here BannonsLiver Mar 2024 #19
So easy to say when you're posting from the comfort of your own home. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #20
Deep cover trolls BannonsLiver Mar 2024 #22
The second half of that poster's name is a clue. yardwork Mar 2024 #29
That's so naive. Putin won't be satisfied with just Ukraine. brush Mar 2024 #54
That's what I see on Xitter. Crunchy Frog Mar 2024 #24
I've noticed that. yardwork Mar 2024 #33
Yes, very successful. betsuni Mar 2024 #47
Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2024 #12
Yeah, Man LiberaBlueDem Mar 2024 #13
There is no "new age" and pretending such will not manifest it TheKentuckian Mar 2024 #34
What you are describing is isolationism, which has not worked for America in 100 years... Hekate Mar 2024 #14
+1 BannonsLiver Mar 2024 #16
I see, increasingly, the Vietnam and Iraq wars mentioned in discussions of Israel/Palestine. betsuni Mar 2024 #48
I recall a quote sarisataka Mar 2024 #17
Yes. This is why some wars are unavoidable. Hekate Mar 2024 #50
When told of the Chinese atrocities in Tibet, even cbabe Mar 2024 #30
Oddly, when told of the Chinese atrocities in Tibet in years past I've encountered some DUers who repeat Chi. propaganda Hekate Mar 2024 #49
I had a Chinese immigrant 8th grade student who cbabe Mar 2024 #55
The anti war movement led to LBJ deciding not to run for re election thus paving the way for Nixon MichMan Mar 2024 #31
What do we want? GreenWave Mar 2024 #38
War is a losing proposition LiberaBlueDem Mar 2024 #39
I hope the answer isn't handing Ukraine over to the Russians. RandySF Mar 2024 #52
It's sad that humanity still needs an anti-war movement. Ping Tung Mar 2024 #56
Anyone know of an attacking state that won their war? LiberaBlueDem Mar 2024 #59
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