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H2O Man

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Sat Mar 30, 2024, 02:18 PM Mar 2024

#Nine Passengers [View all]

"We are faced with evil. I feel rather like Augustine did before becoming a Christian when he said, ' I tried to find the source of evil and I got nowhere. But it is also true that I and a few others knew what must be done if not to reduce evil at least not to add to it.' Perhaps we cannot prevent this world from being a world in which children are tortured. But we can reduce the number of tortured children. And if you believers don't help us, who else in the world can help us with this?" -- Albert Camus


I saw some recent news about Ruby Franke. She previously had a podcase called "8 Passengers" about families and parenting. I had never heard of her until last August 30, when she was arrested along with her therapist, Jodi Hildebrant. They were charged with torturing Franke's children.

Both spent several months in jail, before being convicted and sent to prison. In general, somen's prisons do not tend to be as violent and dangerous as men's prisons. However, even moreso than Ruby and her therapist coming from a very different social class than most other inmates, the fact they were convicted for torturing children puts them at the highest risk for being attacked. If not, they will likely be shunned by other prisoners. For crimes against children are easily recognized as the lowest of the low.

Because it was Good Friday, at least when I started reading Camus, I had started with reading from "A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings of Martin Luther King, Jr." (Edited by James Washington; Harper & Row;1986). The 676 pages include speeches as well as his writings. I read two of his presentations: his eulogy for four children, and his most important speech opposing the U.S. involvement in the Vietnam war.

The first, of course, came after the KKK bombed the 16th Street Church in Birmingham, killing four little girls on September 15, 1963. The second was perhaps his greatest speech, "A Time to Breal Silence (Beyond Vietnam)" at the Riverside Church on April 4, 1967. In that war, like all others, children were wounded and killed by American bombs.

Those were the things I pondered while growing up. What would make a group of men bomb a church? Did our military draft young men to fight in war, because they hadn't matured beyond their high school days when they did whatever the coach asked? At what point does a sense of personal responsibility for one's actions come into play? Does it in everyone? How many steps away from the action does a person say no to torturing children" If your tax dollars are funding the torture and murder of children?

My generation was met with the contempt and violence of much of older generation when we said no to that ugly war, racism, and sexism. One of the things I remember is found in "The Eloquence of Protest: Voices of the 70s" (edited by Harrison Salsbury; Houghton Mifflin; 1972). It is a letter from a father, Dr. Paul williamson, of Mississippi, to his son, a college student. He wrote that if he protested the war, he deserved to be killed, just like the "revolutionaries" at Kent State.

Now, I was a young person at this time. So I couldn't figure out bombing churches or anywhere else, especially if there were children who would be killed or injured. Still can't. Or parents and grandparents who became furious and insulting of young people proresting such things. Even saying your kid deserves death for exercising his Amendment 1 rights, saying that threatened the country.

Basketball legend and philosopher Bill Russell said something when I was young, that I hope to never forget: "Pick your enemies carefully, because they are who you risk becoming the most like." Now I'm a grandfather, and find myself wishing more of my generation remembered what Mr. Russell said. I hear many my age complain about political-social rallies of young people, as if exercising Amendment 1 is a bad thing. Ignoring what Johnny Cash called "the lonely voice of youth," while expecting them to listen to us in a one-sided conversation.

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#Nine Passengers [View all] H2O Man Mar 2024 OP
Nothing wrong with political-social rallies. shrike3 Mar 2024 #1
I agree. H2O Man Mar 2024 #3
What do current protestors hope to accomplish? shrike3 Mar 2024 #5
You said that H2O Man Mar 2024 #6
It was a serious question whether you consider it so or not. How will this protesting help Gazans? shrike3 Mar 2024 #7
In the 60s and 70s we shouted "Hey! Hey! LBJ!! How many kids did you kill today?" Ping Tung Mar 2024 #10
We had direct involvement in Vietnam. We do not have that in Gaza. shrike3 Mar 2024 #44
That's curious. H2O Man Mar 2024 #11
Pretty easy to find Genocide Joe chnats shrike3 Mar 2024 #37
I don't search H2O Man Mar 2024 #38
You wrote a lot of words that went round and round. You did not answer my question. shrike3 Mar 2024 #42
Oh, I had H2O Man Mar 2024 #46
Lots more words that go round and round. You can't or won't answer the question, so I won't ask again. shrike3 Mar 2024 #47
That's fine. H2O Man Mar 2024 #48
This has turned into a waste of time. Putting you on ignore. So long. shrike3 Mar 2024 #52
Do you promise? H2O Man Mar 2024 #53
The US can do a lot to stop the war if our leaders would act. Lonestarblue Mar 2024 #16
Right. H2O Man Mar 2024 #31
Okay, those are valid points. Somewhat practical, and I am looking for practical solutions. shrike3 Mar 2024 #41
K&R spanone Mar 2024 #2
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2024 #4
KnR Hekate Mar 2024 #8
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2024 #12
I don't know the answers Saoirse9 Mar 2024 #9
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2024 #14
You bring up some very poignant memories from my 1960's journey Bundbuster Mar 2024 #13
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2024 #22
Food for thought. SergeStorms Mar 2024 #15
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2024 #23
A very thoughtful OP malaise Mar 2024 #17
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2024 #24
Earlier today I was reminding my brother malaise Mar 2024 #25
Nice! H2O Man Mar 2024 #32
You made me laugh malaise Mar 2024 #36
On the other hand, H2O Man Mar 2024 #55
Some seriously shady folks man malaise Mar 2024 #56
I remember that there was more than one cretin who argued that the Kent State protesters deserved what they got. malthaussen Mar 2024 #18
Very good! H2O Man Mar 2024 #27
Since two of the kids killed at Kent State were just passing by... malthaussen Mar 2024 #29
Exactly! H2O Man Mar 2024 #33
This is a powerful bit of writing. Thank you. Shipwack Mar 2024 #19
I am honored H2O Man Mar 2024 #28
Well said. I went to college in the 60s/70s and felt so much confusion about the war erronis Mar 2024 #20
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2024 #34
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2024 #35
I'm pondering Bill Russell's "Pick your enemies carefully, because they are who you risk becoming the most like." Martin Eden Mar 2024 #21
Right. H2O Man Mar 2024 #39
Right. H2O Man Mar 2024 #40
If 6 Was 9 Kid Berwyn Mar 2024 #26
I had trouble H2O Man Mar 2024 #43
I agree 100%. Eko Mar 2024 #30
I had to H2O Man Mar 2024 #45
Big Dan Teague was very loquacious. Eko Mar 2024 #49
Now I see ...... H2O Man Mar 2024 #50
Ha ha ha ha Eko Mar 2024 #57
My father H2O Man Mar 2024 #58
"as if exercising Amendment 1 is a bad thing" Silent3 Mar 2024 #51
Well said! H2O Man Mar 2024 #54
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