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DonCoquixote

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52. It is amazing anyone would want to even ascertain ceding anything back to the republicans at all.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 11:18 PM
Nov 2012

The problem is, is that is exactly what the Clintons did, especially with Nafta, Glass-Steagall and the Telecommunications act. They also cede a lot when they make it clear they are ready to to go war on behalf of Israel. They also favor the damned Pipeline some Canadians want (though to their credit, many do NOT).

As I said elsewhere, she is not the worst we could do for 2016, and certainly I would love to see her smash Jeb, however, do think about why the MSM wanted to paint her as invincible in 2008, because they have been planning to slam her in the presidential elections for YEARS. When she goes in, they know what buttons to push, especially because they know Bill will NOT shut up and let Hillary take control, but, just like he did in 2008, he will run right for the Cameras.

Add to this that there are many who want the party to go left, who actually feel that Obama is too far to the right as is. These are the people who have already been holding their nose for years; their patience is not inexhaustible, especially when third parties are ready to play spoiler.

As great as the 2012 victory was (and it was) we cannot forget that there is an enthusiasm gap. If Mitt was not caught on tape as the arrogant jackass he was, he might have made the sale. We cannot assume that even the GOP will not be older and wiser next time, especially as they have lost a LOT of Face.

I am not saying Hill cannot make it, but if she does, she cannot run to the right, especially as that is not where we need to be

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It takes a Clinton to defeat a Bush. Like 1992. graham4anything Nov 2012 #1
You're right... PennsylvaniaMatt Nov 2012 #3
No more Bushes, No more Clintons.....It's time to part with both those eras. marmar Nov 2012 #13
it would be nice if she could just be considered just Hillary Rodham graham4anything Nov 2012 #15
"she is her own person and much more to the left of him anyhow." marmar Nov 2012 #16
look for a brand new post I am going to make separate about this very subject graham4anything Nov 2012 #18
It is amazing anyone would want to even ascertain ceding anything back to the republicans at all. DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #52
If not Hillary, who? Who do you like out there? Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #42
here's some ideas Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #43
#7, 9, 10 for VP along with Julian Castro graham4anything Nov 2012 #45
Yes, the Mario Cuomo skeletons. But, AH, just think if he could write his son's speeches ! Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #62
Just think if he could write HIllary's or for that matter any Democrat's speeches. graham4anything Nov 2012 #63
Although Obama did get elected, there are so many people that could have Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #65
God, please no Tony the V MurrayDelph Nov 2012 #50
A Perot was more critical than a Clinton last time. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #73
Time to start talking about CC Nov 2012 #2
And who made up that rule? And what about the Kennedy's? With the Clinton's we get a team. Michigan Alum Nov 2012 #33
Name one other Kennedy president liberalhistorian Nov 2012 #54
Both Teddy and RFK ran. Yes it was a long time ago. If they were still around and healthy would you Michigan Alum Nov 2012 #70
Get his crooked past up front now Submariner Nov 2012 #4
Political parties are looking more and more like evangelican churches - handing down the ownership. Zen Democrat Nov 2012 #5
I prefer to WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN. It takes a WINNER to get anything to move FORWARD!!! graham4anything Nov 2012 #8
Hillary and Jeb -- both the beginnings of a monarchy. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #14
What if that were the case years ago??? FDR , JFK, Bobby and Teddy never could have run. graham4anything Nov 2012 #17
Franklin Roosevelt was Teddy Roosevelt's FIFTH cousin. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #22
So you didn't like that JFK and RFK and Teddy were allowed to be in office? graham4anything Nov 2012 #24
A seat in the Senate, one of many, is fine. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #29
ooh, parsing to suit your personal dislike of Hillary here and adapt it to whom you do perhaps? graham4anything Nov 2012 #31
Hillary loses her temper too easily and lets it show. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #56
Warmth sounds like a code word Rush Limbaugh would use graham4anything Nov 2012 #59
I have warned. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #66
I think the tidbit of info revealed as a throwaway in the Eric Cantor story disqualifies Warren graham4anything Nov 2012 #69
You need to learn a bit of flexibility and stop being so black & white in your thinking. Michigan Alum Nov 2012 #34
The repubs put in a law saying only 2 terms after FDR had 4...it came back to bite them graham4anything Nov 2012 #36
My post wasn't in response to you but JD Priestly. Michigan Alum Nov 2012 #41
Hillary won't win if she runs. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #55
FDR was Teddy Roosevelt's FIFTH cousin. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #23
Your post is stretching the issue greatly. and is sexist and showing a big dislike of the SOS graham4anything Nov 2012 #30
Hillary could never win the presidency. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #57
As SOS, she is not legally allowed to run for office. Of course she needs off to mount a campaign graham4anything Nov 2012 #58
there are only two parties, so it doesn't matter who you put in there, one of HiPointDem Nov 2012 #27
then why are you on Democratic underground? There are plenty of 3rd party boards out there graham4anything Nov 2012 #32
you seem to be reading a lot into my post that's not there. bad habit. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #37
you said there still are only 2 parties and that means we are going backwards... graham4anything Nov 2012 #38
ralph nader, or any third party candidate, can't win. ergo, one of the two major candidates HiPointDem Nov 2012 #39
ok. I disagree. One will move forward(Hillary will be left of Bill), one will move back(Jeb) graham4anything Nov 2012 #40
Cause what this country REALLY needs is another BUSH! Drahthaardogs Nov 2012 #6
Nikki wouldn't say told ya about this, because it is just conjecture and chatter from Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #7
You got that right. randome Nov 2012 #9
this told ya so was for all the posters who have said he wasn't even thinking of running graham4anything Nov 2012 #11
The only way he can be a credible candidate is to totally disavow his brother's entire tenure tularetom Nov 2012 #10
Not so...Jeb is going to run as a SANE republican after the extremists ruined the party graham4anything Nov 2012 #12
the guy who ruined florida is going to run as a sane republican? please. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #28
His participation in "taking" the Oval Office during Election 2000 Samantha Nov 2012 #20
Best to campaign FOR the democrat and win it that way. graham4anything Nov 2012 #21
Generally speaking, I agree with you Samantha Nov 2012 #47
We don't need anymore Bushes or Clintons spaulettea Nov 2012 #19
+1. no more family dynasties. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #26
Much as I adore both of them (Sanders & Warren) it's not feasible for them to win. Michigan Alum Nov 2012 #35
Well, realistically spaulettea Nov 2012 #53
please god no. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #25
I can't believe Aerows Nov 2012 #44
JEBtm is the one candidate that can unite all JCMach1 Nov 2012 #46
the funny part is, he is the one candidate who also can unite our party who hates the Bush's graham4anything Nov 2012 #49
Hillary and Deval Patrick would cream JCMach1 Nov 2012 #68
Huh. My advice to whoever he's fooling around with: change your name and leave town. aquart Nov 2012 #48
12 years of bushit is quite enough spanone Nov 2012 #51
The BFEE again? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2012 #60
what pray tell is a beff again? graham4anything Nov 2012 #61
BFEE bush family evil empire. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2012 #64
Of course he is, that was the plan all along. apnu Nov 2012 #67
100% correct. Glad you see it. graham4anything Dec 2012 #71
I've been saying and posting this forever. And with his Latina wife? A no-brainer. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #72
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