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renie408

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85. Awhile back in our area...

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:27 AM

Nov 2012

a little girl swimming in a local pool was killed by a rifle that had been shot at a homemade firing range that was two miles away. Last summer, one of my neighbor's horses was shot and killed by a rifle fired from 3/4 of a mile away. They were screwing around on a Sunday afternoon and firing at some trees. They missed. This was a very beloved 20 year old horse minding its own business and eating grass in their pasture. Not all guns that can fire two miles are handled by trained snipers.

I guess it depends on your definition of 'lots of bullets really fast'. The guy in Aurora, Colorado had guns equipped with magazines that could fire 50-60 times per minute. That's lots of bullets really fast. And I would be really interested in the explanation for why you would ever need that capacity. You know, short of wanting to shoot up a movie theater. That's all I asked. Why? Why does anybody need a gun that can fire that rapidly?

I still haven't gotten an answer.

You do get that I and the people like me are not the ones endangering your sport, right? If idgets wouldn't fuck up and miss and shoot innocent children and animals from miles away and whackos wouldn't walk into grocery stores and movie theaters and shoot everybody in sight, nobody would give two shits about this. Whether you recognize it or not, gun control will actually wind up SAVING gun ownership; not eliminating it. Because sooner or later, whackos are going to do their thing a little too frequently for even the NRA to gloss over. And then you guys are going to be in a real fight because you will be dealing with backlash. I imagine there is some point when the number of guns out there corresponds with the number of whackos that these kinds of shootings are going to get more frequent than even you might be comfortable trying to rationalize. At that point, anti-gun people are going to get their toe in the door. And it is all going to be downhill for you guys from there.

It's not me you should be fighting with. It's the whackos and the idgets. THEY are the ones that are going to get your hobby in trouble.

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Ohhhh...I think I am seeing a trend here. renie408 Nov 2012 #46

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I think it is nuts to think you need an assault weapon. renie408 Nov 2012 #44

I can see why some people think that. aikoaiko Nov 2012 #55

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You are dodging again. How am I being defensive? PavePusher Nov 2012 #77

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This message was self-deleted by its author Berserker Nov 2012 #35

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