Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
27. links
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:05 AM
Nov 2012

Leaked deal memo from grand bargain talks show threat to Social Security, Medicare, safety net

Bob Woodward got his hands on the deal memo that President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner struck in 2011 in their effort to secure a budget deal that would appease the Republicans who took the national economy hostage. Via Americablog, he described it on Meet the Press and it's bad. Really bad.

"This is a confidential document, last offer the president—the White House made last year to Speaker Boehner to try to reach this $4 trillion grand bargain. And it's long and it's tedious and it's got budget jargon in it. But what it shows is a willingness to cut all kinds of things, like TRICARE, which is the sacred health insurance program for the military, for military retirees; to cut Social Security; to cut Medicare. And there are some lines in there about, "We want to get tax rates down, not only for individuals but for businesses." So Obama and the White House were willing to go quite far."

That was 2011. The question now is how much of that is still on Obama's table. He's still proposing deficit reduction of $4 trillion over 10 years, with a 3-to-1 mix of spending cuts and revenue increases. As Ryan Grim details at Huffington Post, there just isn't a lot of fat to cut out of the budget to get at that kind of reduction without starting in on benefits and services provided by the government. Cuts to oil and gas and agricultural subsidies will only get you so far, and negotiators were only able to find about $40 billion in waste and fraud that they could agree to cut.

That leaves food stamps, (already slashed by $4 billion over the next year by the Senate, with the House still not taking action), billions in federal and military pensions, another several billion from home health care programs, raising the Medicare eligibility age, cutting Social Security benefits by recalibrating the Consumer Price Index, and of course the military and veterans health care programs. All of this was included in the negotiations between Obama and Boehner, and the parallel talks between Biden and Cantor. All of these ideas have been floated, with at least some support from the White House.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/12/1160891/-Leaked-deal-memo-from-grand-bargain-talks-show-threat-to-Social-Security-Medicare-safety-net


Obama Offered To Raise Medicare Eligibility Age As Part Of Grand Debt Deal
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/obama-medicare-eligibility-age_n_894833.html


Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

They'd like it if we'd all start dying faster leftstreet Nov 2012 #1
I don't think that's true of many dem politicians who cali Nov 2012 #2
Yeah it's all bullshit. A 4% tax hike isn't a sacrifice. It's your patriotic duty. JaneyVee Nov 2012 #3
Who said that? nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #4
Maybe this guy: AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #5
I meant a RECENT quote. You got one that's been made in the last couple of years, Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #8
You mean like this one, from democrats.org? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #10
I'm wondering about this statement a little former-republican Nov 2012 #21
We already made a sacrifice. My husband was laid off from his city job in 2009, directly CTyankee Nov 2012 #26
links limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #27
That's so bad if he does this . former-republican Nov 2012 #29
We could see a lot more movement toward third parties. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #30
Just allowing a 3rd party on the debate stage could have made a huge difference. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #35
Not everyone hates peas Fumesucker Nov 2012 #6
Cali: Would not a Democratic politician who parrots that line, be referring to the madinmaryland Nov 2012 #7
no. see Dick Durbin. cali Nov 2012 #31
When any politician starts putting "we" and "sacrifice", in the same sentence, libdem4life Nov 2012 #9
Yes, and then I would ask them what they personally are going to sacrifice! nt Sadiedog Nov 2012 #11
Exactly my question! DearHeart Nov 2012 #20
I always ask them what they are going to sacrafice ........ Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #12
The bloody fact is DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #13
Ask them: Are you willing to sacrifice and live on the level of the least? ananda Nov 2012 #14
we've been sacrificing at the altar of raygunomics for some 30 years... BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #15
household income is down 8% since 2000, unemployment is 8%. Lots of people HiPointDem Nov 2012 #16
My response to them: Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #17
and since they won't we should demand a wealth tax RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #18
I think it's time we make the rich start sacrificing. Initech Nov 2012 #19
That won't help anything former-republican Nov 2012 #22
When the rich pay more in taxes we all have more jobs and better wages. Sirveri Nov 2012 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author DearHeart Nov 2012 #23
What I'd like to tell every politician who says that is "You're Fired". Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #24
isn't that pointed towards the wealthy with assumption being those people JI7 Nov 2012 #25
When they say each of us owes $50K of the national debt I want to scream TexasBushwhacker Nov 2012 #28
ask them if they are willing onethatcares Nov 2012 #33
My response is "You first" hobbit709 Nov 2012 #34
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»What I'd like to ask dem ...»Reply #27