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In reply to the discussion: What I'd like to ask dem politicians who parrot the line "we all have to sacrifice" [View all]limpyhobbler
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Leaked deal memo from grand bargain talks show threat to Social Security, Medicare, safety net
Bob Woodward got his hands on the deal memo that President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner struck in 2011 in their effort to secure a budget deal that would appease the Republicans who took the national economy hostage. Via Americablog, he described it on Meet the Press and it's bad. Really bad.
That was 2011. The question now is how much of that is still on Obama's table. He's still proposing deficit reduction of $4 trillion over 10 years, with a 3-to-1 mix of spending cuts and revenue increases. As Ryan Grim details at Huffington Post, there just isn't a lot of fat to cut out of the budget to get at that kind of reduction without starting in on benefits and services provided by the government. Cuts to oil and gas and agricultural subsidies will only get you so far, and negotiators were only able to find about $40 billion in waste and fraud that they could agree to cut.
That leaves food stamps, (already slashed by $4 billion over the next year by the Senate, with the House still not taking action), billions in federal and military pensions, another several billion from home health care programs, raising the Medicare eligibility age, cutting Social Security benefits by recalibrating the Consumer Price Index, and of course the military and veterans health care programs. All of this was included in the negotiations between Obama and Boehner, and the parallel talks between Biden and Cantor. All of these ideas have been floated, with at least some support from the White House.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/12/1160891/-Leaked-deal-memo-from-grand-bargain-talks-show-threat-to-Social-Security-Medicare-safety-net
"This is a confidential document, last offer the presidentthe White House made last year to Speaker Boehner to try to reach this $4 trillion grand bargain. And it's long and it's tedious and it's got budget jargon in it. But what it shows is a willingness to cut all kinds of things, like TRICARE, which is the sacred health insurance program for the military, for military retirees; to cut Social Security; to cut Medicare. And there are some lines in there about, "We want to get tax rates down, not only for individuals but for businesses." So Obama and the White House were willing to go quite far."
That was 2011. The question now is how much of that is still on Obama's table. He's still proposing deficit reduction of $4 trillion over 10 years, with a 3-to-1 mix of spending cuts and revenue increases. As Ryan Grim details at Huffington Post, there just isn't a lot of fat to cut out of the budget to get at that kind of reduction without starting in on benefits and services provided by the government. Cuts to oil and gas and agricultural subsidies will only get you so far, and negotiators were only able to find about $40 billion in waste and fraud that they could agree to cut.
That leaves food stamps, (already slashed by $4 billion over the next year by the Senate, with the House still not taking action), billions in federal and military pensions, another several billion from home health care programs, raising the Medicare eligibility age, cutting Social Security benefits by recalibrating the Consumer Price Index, and of course the military and veterans health care programs. All of this was included in the negotiations between Obama and Boehner, and the parallel talks between Biden and Cantor. All of these ideas have been floated, with at least some support from the White House.
Obama Offered To Raise Medicare Eligibility Age As Part Of Grand Debt Deal
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/obama-medicare-eligibility-age_n_894833.html
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What I'd like to ask dem politicians who parrot the line "we all have to sacrifice" [View all]
cali
Nov 2012
OP
Yeah it's all bullshit. A 4% tax hike isn't a sacrifice. It's your patriotic duty.
JaneyVee
Nov 2012
#3
I meant a RECENT quote. You got one that's been made in the last couple of years,
Honeycombe8
Nov 2012
#8
We already made a sacrifice. My husband was laid off from his city job in 2009, directly
CTyankee
Nov 2012
#26
Just allowing a 3rd party on the debate stage could have made a huge difference.
limpyhobbler
Nov 2012
#35
Cali: Would not a Democratic politician who parrots that line, be referring to the
madinmaryland
Nov 2012
#7
When any politician starts putting "we" and "sacrifice", in the same sentence,
libdem4life
Nov 2012
#9
Yes, and then I would ask them what they personally are going to sacrifice! nt
Sadiedog
Nov 2012
#11
What I'd like to tell every politician who says that is "You're Fired".
Tierra_y_Libertad
Nov 2012
#24
When they say each of us owes $50K of the national debt I want to scream
TexasBushwhacker
Nov 2012
#28